Byakuya769
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I don't think the procedural move is even that novel for a controversial issue. However, make that move and then sending out your talking heads to say "Obama REALLY shutdown the government" has to be a new low.
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I don't think the procedural move is even that novel for a controversial issue. However, make that move and then sending out your talking heads to say "Obama REALLY shutdown the government" has to be a new low.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361244/house-conservatives-revolt-robert-costa
Fuck the 50 conservatives who stormed out. The rest of the GOP will vote for it. Boehner is in trouble either way, he has been in trouble with the Tea Party this entire time, and he has to know this by now -- he HAS to. Do the right thing, ignore the Tea Party wing of your party and their financing, and have everyone else vote on the bill. He has enough to get it passed.
If Boehner would just grow a pair, he'd realize he doesn't need to fear the Tea Party sect. He can align himself with the establishment. Wall Street is doing the same. They'll pump just as much if not more money into races where Tea Party challengers are trying to upset the establishment. He doesn't need the Tea Party and yet thanks to Gerrymandering he will probably keep his majority next year regardless.
If Wall Street backs establishment candidates in bitter primary battles, either way, a Democrat will not win. Boehner has nothing to fear. And he should be courting the establishment GOP, which makes up the majority of his majority, to have a reliable sect to nullify the Tea Party's extreme demands. That's all he has to do and he would never lose his job.
Epsilon-delta
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Yup. Being one myself, I don't understand the disconnect between the veterans who served the war in Iraq and Afghanistan (OIF & OEF) and some Vietnam and mostly all of WW2 veterans.
Edit: my father doesn't support Cruz or the Tea Party and is a diehard democrat
Joe Shlabotnik
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I know this is the threat they're making, but at this point it looks like the money's going to flow to establishment candidates next year.
No sorry, but it doesn't take someone "super smart" to do what they did which is what you said. When you're already given the foundation it makes things a lot easier. I'm not saying they're idiots or have no business saavy but pretending they did something remarkable simply isn't true.Their father was the innovator.
And no matter how this ends this is what is going to happen. Boehner will be saved by the establishment. If he can't realize this by now he's a fucking idiot. He can stand up to the Tea Party and not lose them because gerrymandering allowed them to cheat their way into having a majority anyway. And his own special interests will protect him from getting primaried.
Takamura-San
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At this point they should be seeing the writing on the wall and they are going to be primaried regardless. They blinked.
Epsilon-delta
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Yea just like Donald Trump.
Takamura-San
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The more scary part is who are they angry at.
They don't even know.
what if they're mad...at themselves?!
We know who they should be angry at, but it's much easier to dismiss the whole government as inward looking and ineffectual.
I'm an Australian so I don't have a dog in this fight, but let me tell you, in the eyes of the rest of the world, especially countries that have had socialized healthcare that is far more generous than Obamacare for over half a century in some cases, we are just staggered at how much bullshit the American public are letting the Tea Party and the GOP get away with. Opinion polls are one thing but elections are entirely another. The U.S public should be looking at gerrymandering and wondering which George Orwell book this shit crawled out of.
jamesinclair
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Sell your stocks, sell your bonds, erybody be defaulting out here
Only if you're making a profit and plan on buying them all back when they do hit rock bottom.
Otherwise just leave them be.
Escape Goat
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Everyone move to Austria
Collect 2500
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The disconnect? One group are a bunch of old white xenophobes and the others aren't.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-...-beautiful_b_4099243.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Anyone catch this piece of genius from Eric Idle (Yes, that Eric Idle) on the Huff Post?
Anyone catch this piece of genius from Eric Idle (Yes, that Eric Idle) on the Huff Post?
He's a spineless fuckwad. He'll just cower in fear at the feet of the worthless Tea Party begging to keep his job.
Literally worse than the ice age. (The event and the movie)
Epsilon-delta
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That's what I assume. I guess I'm in a denial because I can't come up with a sound, logical reason other than that.
Takamura-San
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And he's going to look like a fool that let a minority ruin the country. How else he can not see this? In what planet does the Tea Party keeps growing?
this man has got it http://telly.com/1BA4Y4D
He's already done that though.
Boehner could have ended at this at any time but chooses not to. He wants at least a good amount of Tea Partiers on his side when it comes to passing a deal. He's not going to stand up to any of them.
Bingo.
Get money out of politics, but good luck finding enough principled people willing to do that job without it.
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 4m
Part Four: Obamacare for members, Cabinet members (version of Vitter language)
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part Three: Income verification
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part Two: 2 year med device suspension
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part One: CR to 1/15, debt limit to 2/7
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
CONFIRMED House details....
Part Four: Obamacare for members, Cabinet members (version of Vitter language)
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part Three: Income verification
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part Two: 2 year med device suspension
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part One: CR to 1/15, debt limit to 2/7
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
CONFIRMED House details....
Escape Goat
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CD to january and debt to February? wtf
Is this the solution Reid and McConnell are working on or is it House GOP bill?
Is this the solution Reid and McConnell are working on or is it House GOP bill?
User 100115
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Is there anything else? What are the Dems getting out of this? That seems like a gift to the GOP.
SteveWinwood
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What a bunch of morons.
It's shitty that they've giving into the medical device tax for 2 years, but only getting a few months of reprieve from the debt and budget situations. We're going to be right back here in January, with nothing to show for it except that Democrats gave in again.
Cruz and his thugs will throw it out. You watch. They've already gone all in on this. They aren't about to pull out now and lose their credibility. They took the GOP down a path that could almost be described as a suicide bombing and there's no going back for them now.
Anyone who thinks that Cruz and his dancing parade have the sort of honor to reap what they sowed on themselves and prevent a default and almost certain economic turmoil is far braver then I.
teruterubozu
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We have been doing this for awhile now. Just another day at the office.
Etrian Oddity
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That was really, really good. I'm happy I watched that before I step out for work.
There's no way this will pass the senate, nor does Boehner believe it will. Having said that, if it did hypothetically pass, there is no way Obama would veto this last minute deal. Senate democrats would never put him in that position.
e: it won't even pass the House without democrat votes.
Takamura-San
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Are these 2 the only real changes?
Those are huge changes though. The Vitter Amendment is toxic. And the med device tax repeal in the Senate was not on the table afaik. That was going to be later, in Jan/Feb.
This is "huge" in the sense that the only place left to go next year is delaying the individual mandate, defunding the law, etc., should this pass.
This is "huge" in the sense that the only place left to go next year is delaying the individual mandate, defunding the law, etc., should this pass.
So this is what Obamacare repeal looks like...
mightynine
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Would die in the Senate with probably a few Republicans joining in in killing it, because they're pissed about doing this work just to have Speaker Cruz's Shadow Caucus piss all over it.
wouldn't that mean only (more) rich people would be in politics
eBay Huckster
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These are the "deals" Boehner's trying to make, the House Democrats haven't done shit yet
Takamura-San
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It would mean that Every viable candidate would get a set budget to campaign and no private money would be involved.
SteveWinwood
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Watch the house not even be able to pass it and this shitstorm goes to 11.
Lobbyist money is the real problem, not rich politicians. It's basically waving a wod of cash in a pollys face and saying "this is yours if...."
It's bribery politics and it's immoral.
Oh, I was about to say.....
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