There's money everywhere though. It's no longer a matter of giving up your principles for the lobby money, but rather finding out who gives out the most cash for your warped sensibilities.
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US Federal Government Shutdown | Shutdown Shutdown, Debt Ceiling Raised
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There's money everywhere though. It's no longer a matter of giving up your principles for the lobby money, but rather finding out who gives out the most cash for your warped sensibilities.
PoweredBySoy
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this man has got it http://telly.com/1BA4Y4D
Daaaaaaaaaaaamn
Fuck that deal. It's essentially giving into the extortion threat. Absolutely unacceptable.
All this does is set the precedent to get right back here in a few months and have the republicans stranglehold the government for a few more policy concessions.
This shit needs to end NOW!!
All this does is set the precedent to get right back here in a few months and have the republicans stranglehold the government for a few more policy concessions.
This shit needs to end NOW!!
Baraka in the White House
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Fuck that deal. It's essentially giving into the extortion threat. Absolutely unacceptable.
All this does is set the precedent to get right back here in a few months and have the republicans stranglehold the government for a few more policy concessions.
This shit needs to end NOW!!
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House republicans are still insanely stupid. They keep going after the ACA after it's been shown that's not going to work. Something republican senators have admit was stupid to do. It's the one thing they know that Obama isn't going to agree to and for what a delay of a few weeks!? Then we start this all over again.
Epsilon-delta
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The medical device tax suspension and the Vitter amendment will not pass the Senate. I hope this isn't what Reid was talking about yesterday regarding "tremendous progress."
The medical device tax suspension and the Vitter amendment will not pass the Senate. I hope this isn't what Reid was talking about yesterday regarding "tremendous progress."
I doubt it. He seems to be even more determined than Obama.
Grover Cleveland
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The medical device tax suspension and the Vitter amendment will not pass the Senate. I hope this isn't what Reid was talking about yesterday regarding "tremendous progress."
These look like policy changes that the House leadership will be looking to make to the Reid-McConnell deal.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Republicans should get nothing out of this. Absolutely nothing. Any concessions will be paraded and celebrated as a major victory, and in a sense it would be.
Epsilon-delta
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I doubt it. He seems to be even more determined than Obama.
Good and I agree with his stance. This plan is extortion from every angle, only to do the song and dance again in January and February 2014.
I doubt it. He seems to be even more determined than Obama.
I wouldn't say that. Obama's entire legacy as President is resting on how he acts during this whole fiasco and he knows it. If he concedes now, that is all he will ever be remembered for, just as all of Clinton's hard work was immediately forgotten because of a cum stain that didn't wash out.
I know that Obama hasn't exactly been the model for conviction so far, but he must realize that now is the time to turn that image around.
From a New York Times correspondent:
Jeremy W. Peters @jwpetersNYT
Issa says House Rs opened their meeting by singing "Amazing Grace" this morning. Are unified behind their new plan.
From a New York Times correspondent:
Jesus fuck these assholes are literally crazy.
SteveWinwood
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how sweet the sound
BertramCooper
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Jeremy W. Peters @jwpetersNYT
Issa says House Rs opened their meeting by singing "Amazing Grace" this morning. Are unified behind their new plan.
Oh Christ.
There's no way this will pass the senate, nor does Boehner believe it will. Having said that, if it did hypothetically pass, there is no way Obama would veto this last minute deal. Senate democrats would never put him in that position.
e: it won't even pass the House without democrat votes.
My bad it said House details, I thought it was Senate.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
From a New York Times correspondent:
Lolwat.
teruterubozu
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From a New York Times correspondent:
Just declare civil war already. Why putz around?
Maninthemirror
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Maybe a default is the only option to nuke the careers of all tea party GOP reps
Whose with me !
Whose with me !
PhoenixDark
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This is the House bill not the senate bill folks. It is irrelevant and probably won't pass the House.Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 4m
Part Four: Obamacare for members, Cabinet members (version of Vitter language)
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part Three: Income verification
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part Two: 2 year med device suspension
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
Part One: CR to 1/15, debt limit to 2/7
Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 5m
CONFIRMED House details....
I wouldn't say that. Obama's entire legacy as President is resting on how he acts during this whole fiasco and he knows it. If he concedes now, that is all he will ever be remembered for, just as all of Clinton's hard work was immediately forgotten because of a cum stain that didn't wash out.
I know that Obama hasn't exactly been the model for conviction so far, but he must realize that now is the time to turn that image around.
I said seems. Reid has been a rock so far. I'm not saying Obama wants to cave.
Reid seems more intense. It may have to do with personality more than anything else.
This is the House bill not the senate bill folks. It is irrelevant and probably won't pass the House.
The House bill won't pass the House?
I doubt that house bill will pass the Hastert rule
repealing/delaying the medical device tax is a bipartisan lobbying effort. It's going to be repealed eventually so this is just a face-saving throw-in for the GOP. Income verification is already part of the law anyway so the only thing the GOP is getting out of this proposal is the vitter amendment which I don't see happening
Is there anything else? What are the Dems getting out of this? That seems like a gift to the GOP.
repealing/delaying the medical device tax is a bipartisan lobbying effort. It's going to be repealed eventually so this is just a face-saving throw-in for the GOP. Income verification is already part of the law anyway so the only thing the GOP is getting out of this proposal is the vitter amendment which I don't see happening
Grover Cleveland
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The House bill won't pass the House?
Not without Democrat votes
From a New York Times correspondent:
Amazing Grace? What, do they think they're attending America's funeral or something.
Fucking psychos.
Well, there's PPE. A term I'd never heard 'til I came to university! It's pretty much regarded as "The career politician's degree", at least it was around Uni. How many elected reps have such a degree?It might be interesting if it was required that a special college degree be earned before you can run for office. The curriculum could include courses about topics that are very important to know while governing, like economics, military science, etc.
Takamura-San
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From a New York Times correspondent:
I don't know what to think anymore.
The House bill won't pass the House?
It's seems there are enough sensible GOP members in the house to kill anything stupid
Oh Christ.
amazing, they just want the world to burn
Amazing Grace? What, do they think they're attending America's funeral or something.
Fucking psychos.
This kind of shit is how cults start their meetings.
After the stirring rendition, they passed around bagged milk. Why? One representative said 'for it is the blood of Cruz'.
polyh3dron
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So Boehner is just going to offer up another retarded bill that repeals Obamacare, impeaches Obama and gives bootstraps to everyone right
Boehner should play this on bagpipes, for the death of his testicles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V84STSWVp3g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V84STSWVp3g
The House bill won't pass the House?
Probably not, Boehner cant control his caucus and democrats have no reason to vote for it.
So Boehner is just going to offer up another retarded bill that repeals Obamacare, impeaches Obama and gives bootstraps to everyone right
Well it doesn't repeal Obamacare but once again they seems to think they need consessions to do their jobs.
Maninthemirror
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So.... Yeah...
House GOP bill will also stop US Treasury's extraordinary measures capability - @JakeSherman
House GOP bill will also stop US Treasury's extraordinary measures capability - @JakeSherman
So.... Yeah...
House GOP bill will also stop US Treasury's extraordinary measures capability - @JakeSherman
HA! They tried that already. Boy we really have some thick skulls in the House.
Takamura-San
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So.... Yeah...
House GOP bill will also stop US Treasury's extraordinary measures capability - @JakeSherman
WHAT IS GOING ON?
What is the definition of Insanity Vaas?
PhoenixDark
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Ted Cruz met with 20 tea party house members this morning. I wouldn't be surprised if this bill is too weak for them.The House bill won't pass the House?
Boehner hasn't whipped for this bill. If it fails he'll put the senate bill on the floor; this is exactly how the December/January "fiscal cliff" fiasco ended, with Boehner having to yank a failed concession bill and pass the senate language. Pelosi just has to keep democrats in line, opposed to this bill, and there's a decent chance it'll fail.
Ted Cruz met with 20 tea party house members this morning. I wouldn't be surprised if this bill is too weak for them.
Boehner hasn't whipped for this bill. If it fails he'll put the senate bill on the floor; this is exactly how the December/January "fiscal cliff" fiasco ended, with Boehner having to yank a failed concession bill and pass the senate language. Pelosi just has to keep democrats in line, opposed to this bill, and there's a decent chance it'll fail.
Which is how I predicted this might end. Boehner has to basically do nothing except say, "Well, we're out of time."
That way he gets to keep his speakership.
WHAT IS GOING ON?
What is the definition of Insanity Vaas?
This is what you call complete self implosion.
Probably not, Boehner cant control his caucus and democrats have no reason to vote for it.
I wish I was as optimistic as you are. The majority of the GOP caucus has had no problem pushing for maximum leverage while a shutdown is going on.
The hardliners are clearly trying to intimidate Boehner but he could end this right now if he wanted to.
Which is how I predicted this might end. Boehner has to basically do nothing except say, "Well, we're out of time."
That way he gets to keep his speakership.
They'll hold his feet to the fire just like they did in 2012, but I think you're right. He'll keep his speakership and the Tea Party will chalk this whole fucking debacle up in the win column... then start preparing for the next crisis they will create.
SteveWinwood
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I wish I was as optimistic as you are. The majority of the GOP caucus has had no problem pushing for maximum leverage while a shutdown is going on.
The hardliners are clearly trying to intimidate Boehner but he could end this right now if he wanted to.
They had their ride. Boehner "tried" to save it. It's over now.
this man has got it http://telly.com/1BA4Y4D
Boom. Only problem with Ratigan's analysis and proposal - most likely it ain't just Congress that's bought.
repealing/delaying the medical device tax is a bipartisan lobbying effort. It's going to be repealed eventually so this is just a face-saving throw-in for the GOP. Income verification is already part of the law anyway so the only thing the GOP is getting out of this proposal is the vitter amendment which I don't see happening
Dems cannot let anything related to ACA pass. Doing so would be such a big trophy for the Tea Party to show off to the base that it would guarantee shut downs every time.
Republicans should get nothing out of this. Absolutely nothing. Any concessions will be paraded and celebrated as a major victory, and in a sense it would be.
That's so one-sided. The Democrats are getting a federal government, the Republicans should get something, too.
That's so one-sided. The Democrats are getting a federal government, the Republicans should get something, too.
You see, this is why the Westminster system is just better, because you know what the party that lost the election gets?
Fucking nothing. They get the opportunity to sit on the opposite side of the chamber and reflect about why they lost and figure out what they need to do to win again, which usually involves throwing out the rundown and starting again. You know, like when you allow a group of Evangelical nutcases to take over your party and sit back and watch them commit electoral blackmail.
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