PC: The Largest Threat to Next Gen Consoles (according to Gametrailers)
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derExperte
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How MS convinced all those people to pay for XBL I'll never understand. It was genius and apparently not a big drawback for enough gamers. Now PS+ is another story imo, I don't like that it'll be needed for online on PS4 but it provides a ton of value for the average gamer (maybe almost too much, I'll probably never buy a game for my Vita...) and is a quite novel idea that doesn't have an equivalent on PC.
I prefer to choose the games I play, and DD platforms always have sales.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/
Those 23.16m$ crowdfunded before game got into alpha seems to disagree with You. Also all MMOs that are more expensive than 99% AAA games, also disagree with You.
Well, it makes for an interesting contrast to what people were saying back when last generation started.
I don't know a single PC gamer that doesn't have either a 360/PS3 and I bet eventually an xbone/PS4, even ones that play 90%+ of the time on PC like myself. The whole "threat" thing is stupid, next gen consoles + Wii U aren't a threat to PC gaming, and PC gaming isn't really a threat to next gen consoles + Wii U.
Portugeezer
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Entry price (getting anything weaker than a 680 for next gen would be dumb) and different exclusives.
It's a bigger threat though than it was last gen though.
True. PS3 this gen was also a mess in that regard. And the best thing about PC is the openness and mods, but every now and then a game does fuck up and takes a whole day trying to fix it, or mods have a shitload of files you need to download and install correctly.
That's because overlap isn't a big thing right now. If you could buy a 'PC' that had the same form, function, and price as a console, it'd be a gigantic threat to traditional console dominance. That's sort of the whole thinking behind Steam machines. That will take a long time, but everyone seems to be working on something to make PCs more competitive with consoles when they have traditionally not had the same mindshare.
I know one thing for sure. Never make a bet on how you think it will all turn out. The only winner will be the bookie. I did not foresee jrpgs leaving Playstation consoles for handhelds, the Wii, Steam becoming good, DLC, multi-core processors, facebook and mobile phone gaming, Call of Duty's sales figures, Skyrims sales figures (a nerdy RPG that sells 10m? Won't ever happen bro), Final Fantasy being a series to avoid... etc etc etc.
Wow. I have no fucking clue whats going to happen in the next 5-7 years, other than hard drive capacity will continue to increase. Thats the only prediction I'd dare to make.
Wow. I have no fucking clue whats going to happen in the next 5-7 years, other than hard drive capacity will continue to increase. Thats the only prediction I'd dare to make.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Didn't stop the ps3/360
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Seriously though, PC gaming is never going to become such an entity that its going to push out the PS4/Xbone. People like to rah rah and slap asses with other PC gamers about having the superior platform, but frankly no one outside of this forum really cares that you are running Titans in SLI or you OCed your CPU and this is coming from someone getting ready to upgrade their graphics card for Xmas.
Moon_frogger
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Because there is a thing that exists called console exclusives? And while this isn't 2005 where the majority of quality games fall under that category, their are certainly far more console exclusives that will never go pc that appeal to my and the majority of gamers tastes. Also, the day my console tells me to update my drivers or that my registry is corrupted/ video card incompatible is the day I switch to exclusive pc gaming
Why are you narrowing PC gaming down to people with expensive setups? I can see where someone would get a distorted view of PC gaming doing such a thing. The reality is that PC gaming includes someone playing LoL on a laptop with integrated graphics or WoW on a 6 year old computer.
TomcatTheLion
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Few JRPGs = "lack of games"/"games in general"?
Also, more JRPGs are starting to come to the PC. Not to mention Final Fantasy XV has a decent chance of being released on PC (whenever that is).
Surprised it took 100 posts for this garbage to show up.
I actually slapped my knee on this comment.
Dictator93
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This is so blatantly not true. Holy crap.
The lateral movement to more cores has a lot to do with the Ghz race and the inability for companies to produce large incredible powerful single cored machines with reasonable success. Also, the inertia from power concerns.
Believe me, consoles have pretty much nothing to do with why intel and AMD started making more cored machines.
SuperSonic1305
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Most of those things aren't new to this gen so why would they suddenly be threats? You think in 2013 that people will suddenly start buying desktop computers just for gaming? The desktop era is over and laptops/tablets aren't sophisticated enough to pick up the slack.
derExperte
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Yeah, W!CKED is slacking.
rudieboy77
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Wait so political correctness is going to diminish console gaming?
LiquidMetal14
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Threat? It has always been a threat but consoles always present the easiest path to convenience. That's why I recommend them over PC's for my friends/family. If I want to just turn on a button, log into my account, join my friend/family, and no worry about drivers or maintenance than console wins day and night.
PC is something of a double edged sword with infinite benefits and it's best when painting it as a peerless, beautifully powerful machine. I have one and love it.
I still like my consoles though.
And people need to stop this notion that PS4 (for example) is getting games we've already played on PC. What about the other way around? PS4 is going to have many games PC has and it's own exclusives.
Do people somehow trumpet PC and it's vast exclusives and awesome benefits (I mean that sincerely) but forget that many of the notable games (minus the RTS genre) are heavily represented on consoles? And again, many, if not all of the PS4 exclusives will just come out on their machine and we know they have some of the most talented studios in the world. You can't ignore good games because of a preference. It's to your own detriment and a you problem if you limit yourself with refusal to enjoy games on a PS4 or Xbone.
PC is something of a double edged sword with infinite benefits and it's best when painting it as a peerless, beautifully powerful machine. I have one and love it.
I still like my consoles though.
And people need to stop this notion that PS4 (for example) is getting games we've already played on PC. What about the other way around? PS4 is going to have many games PC has and it's own exclusives.
Do people somehow trumpet PC and it's vast exclusives and awesome benefits (I mean that sincerely) but forget that many of the notable games (minus the RTS genre) are heavily represented on consoles? And again, many, if not all of the PS4 exclusives will just come out on their machine and we know they have some of the most talented studios in the world. You can't ignore good games because of a preference. It's to your own detriment and a you problem if you limit yourself with refusal to enjoy games on a PS4 or Xbone.
DryvBy
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Which restrictions? Because PC gaming has a glaring restriction currently: reselling my game for the price I choose.
SniperHunter
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I buy consoles for exclusive games. But man some of the ue3 games i played on ps3 looked so bad and ran so bad, i felt bad for console only gamers.
Owning a high end pc is a must.
Edit - pretty much all multi platform titles i played on ps3 were garbage. I think a lot of xbox fanz will embrace pc gaming this gen and i think many nintendo fans have already done so
Owning a high end pc is a must.
Edit - pretty much all multi platform titles i played on ps3 were garbage. I think a lot of xbox fanz will embrace pc gaming this gen and i think many nintendo fans have already done so
this magically stopped being an issue about five months ago.
PC is the only essential platform for the serious gamer. the consoles are essentially proprietary PC wrappers these days which take way more than they give.
just for perspective we're seeing the sony faithful go crazy over things like resogun and contrast, just because they are somehow allied to the platform, while PC had 37 games of similar scope greenlit from developers new to steam in the last month alone. these titles are separate from the over 100 games which have been added to steam since september 25th.
i'm sure for many people it'll make sense to pick up a console to tap in to their favourite developer's walled off console exclusives at some point, but to rely on only consoles is to stay at the shallow end of what gaming can offer you.
Prince Vultan
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How many gens have we been hearing that now?
derExperte
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About zero. Before it was always doom&gloom for PC.
In threads like this that's more a problem the other way around. Console gamers just love to talk about 'their' exclusives or games that take a while to get to PC and then downplay/ignore the ones on PC for the stupidest of reasons. I also disagree about the 'heavily represented' part. My Recently Played- and Wishlist on Steam is chock-full with games that are and probably will forever be exclusives.
It's funny how that happened. I do remember the cost of online play being a regular point of discussion before.
I'm building a new PC in just two weeks, I could spend the money on a PS4, but my current rig is very old and the PS4 launch line-up is very poor. I'll use it mainly for PCSX2 and Dolphin, because in the end I know I'll play more on the PS4 when I finally buy it next year. All my friends and preferred genres are there. Beefier graphics are great but they're useless if the showcase is a mediocre game like Crysis 3.
LiquidMetal14
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First thing's first, ResoGun looks great. Contrast, we will see.
What's your point though? Stop being such a PC trumpet and at least realize how things like the many games you see on Steam coming to PS4 will push those respective developers into a much more precise spotlight on a dedicated gaming device (the console). For the detriments you try to point out, there are some benefits that come alongside the HW ease of setup and oh yes, the games you cannot play on PC. For those 37 games (of which how many are sure fire amazing games?) you cannot insist that all of them will be great. Just like you can't go back and look at this last years releases on PS3 (for example) and tell me there aren't some duds but also some creative games like Pupeteer.
As for the pay to play aspect of online gaming - I don't necessarily disagree but something like Plus won me over. Show me a service like this Netflix-esque service where I am given certain amounts of free games to play as long as I'm a subscriber. With XBL I would agree with you more as they are merely charging you for the luxury of playing online. That is another discussion unto itself.
I agree with you on some principles but the way we both get there is where I strongly contrast.
You can argue this for consoles as well though. I see no real point as you see the big PC advocates and you see the other side.
I sit in the middle. I have a prime seat on the beach with some boob to my right and an ice cold beverage on my left. Life is good.
Dictator93
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When sony switched over to the dark side in this regard a lot of people here just accepted it as a necessary given...
Even though it was a point of derision visavis Xbox for a long time... funny how that happens.
How much is PS plus?
How much do the throw away games on steam cost? I think you can see that they would be very similar... and you keep those games forever whilst having the luxury to mod, tweak, etc...
Ultra Magnus
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Funny I'm in the same boat. You couldn't tell me at the beginning of this gen that console gaming wasn't the most awesome buuuutttttt towards the end you realize that console gaming can be very restrictive and not to mention the graphics boost that can come from a decent PC. I have a 360 and realized that the last two years Microsoft hasn't done anything with the system as far as games, this is what pushed me to PC gaming and I couldn't be happier. Before going to the PC truthfully I was becoming burnt out on gaming but the variety of games that the PC has to offer is unmatched.
iamshadowlark
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L M A O. PC gamer rhetoric is best rhetoric.
Edit: do I have to link the pages on pages of bitching about PS4s online fees or will you few quit with the "funny how" stuff?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I think PC gaming is more of a complement to console gaming (just as mobile is) rather than a threat.
Dictator93
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Thanks for the compliment: speaking artfully and truthfully whilst backing posts up with numbers can be hard work. I think he would appreciate your kind words.
iamshadowlark
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Because Titan. No wait gsync is the new hotness.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
To answer your first point - Do you realize that Plus was a dud for a while and none of us (especially me) wanted to re-sub? It took months for them to start getting their IGC going and it earned my money. Again, not an inherited right and if you compare it to XBL, it wins handily since it doesn't put services that are free behind a paywall. Something that is continuing with PS4.
Your second point, Plus is 50USD a year. I throw away lots more on Steam. I don't really disagree all that much with this point.
My first point still stands even if I agree with your second.
Back when XBL had the momentum and WAS better I semi-agree. The Plus started an optional pay service and built that up. That's why I take less issue since they won me over as opposed to just shoving that down my throat. I get free games and other perks. That wasn't some automatic win for me in the beginning of Plus's infancy.
Its just as much of a talking point now because you can compare the services and see what each offers. I don't think it's an argument to suggest Plus is actually a better service than XBL now. You would have laughed at that notion a few years ago.
Sentenza
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I'm starting to wonder how many more people are going to mention the Ouya as the definitive proof of how "that list is a joke" without even paying attention to what they actually said about the Ouya.
Dictator93
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Thanks for the nice response.
Oddly enough with PSN... I think I would have been really content that I was paying nothing to play games online: so long as the patching processes were OK and there were not major connection issues. And then have devs themselves decide whether or not they want dedicated servers or not (aka like the PC space).
Would you have been satisified if they did not make it cost money? but instead you would able to play online for free with a patching process like steam and the choice-based server set up`(per dev)?
Instead of being a service... it would be a content delivery system and server browser.
Just so you do not forget and hopefully never mention it again (because it is factually incorrect), the reason why intel and AMD went multicore has absolutely nothing to do with consoles. I quoted and commented on your post about 2 pages back I think.
when you have over 100+ games being added a month, it's not about some metacritic approved SHIT/OKAY/GREAT scale, its about having the flexibility to find the experiences tailored just for you.
go in to hype thread regarding the PS4 launch and it's like some weird bizarre cult where everybody has the exact same tastes for the same cherry picked exclusives, all coiled up and ready to lash out at any review which doesn't legitimise it.
i mean, sure, resogun looks great. it plays great. but just taking one game from the greenlight list, can you really say that the PS faithful wouldn't be screaming this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKyK90Rndns game's name from the hills if it was a proprietary exclusive?
Stallion Free
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If Sony had something like Gsync it would probably help games like Knack a lot since they have a framerate that can be anywhere from 30-60 fps.
For exclusives like KI, Ryse, Killzone, inFAMOUS, Uncharted, Gears, Halo, etc, etc.
You could spin the question and ask why you'd pay 1k+ for indie games and multiplats, if you want to suspend the reality that exclusive games exist.
I will always game on PC and consoles and leverage their strengths to bolster my catalogue. Its what I do because I like games. I don't need to purposefully ignore strengths of either platform and ask silly questions to puff my chest so I can sleep better for championing one platform over another. THAT doesn't make any sense.
But, champion away as if it matters!
What, the Knack framerate is variable?
For me personally PC is a reason not to be excited for next-gen consoles, since I get PC experiences which I've always liked best, and now get ports of most of the flashy shallow AAA games I play every now and then, something for which in the past you would largely have to get a console for. There really isn't much of a reason for me to buy a console at this point. That said, I can't see PC gaming as a serious threat to mass adoption of next-gen home consoles.
Sentenza
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No, don't.
Don't make a fool of yourself.
SmoothRunningGun
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Sorry but no. Regular folks I've told about the new consoles balk at paying $400 or $500. They're not going anywhere near PC. PC is great, but it's not going to be mainstream unless the prices match consoles and they can be controlled easily and comfortably in the living room.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I would love the patching process and verification of data via Steam on PS4. I think because of the nature of how they've slowly built it up as a service from the crap that it was helps. I'm glad it didn't take off at first because it really didn't deserve to.
I'm not gonna lie, I had no idea about Strike Vector but I now want it. I can't argue against good games no matter which platform. I hate to be one of those people who cherry picks as you noted and that's why I honestly try and stay away from those lists you and I see in threads pop up when people try to compare console vs console or vs PC. I'm finding it hard to disagree with your point entirely other than those few contradictions in certain aspect on how we view things.
I would love to buy Strike Vector on PS4 if it came but I'm going to see if I can buy it off their website or somewhere for Steam since it looks really good.
Can't disagree there. Would be great.
did you somehow miss that for this entire generation indies were talking about how much more they sold on steam versus either console?