Lol, you're very wrong. If you anecdotal evidence is from neogaf, then your clueless. The statement that most vita bros on Neogaf prefer 60fps would be more correct and even then, that statement would be false.
Vita PSN Game & Service Thread | October 2013 | Ver 2000, Batman and some Angry Birds
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EsotericManiac
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Never thought it would come to this but I went ahead and used the ignore feature
it's a sad day for me :-(
it's a sad day for me :-(
corrosivefrost
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Sorry, I'm tired and cranky this morning.
I think that first sentence you wrote made me read the rest of it in a really negative tone rather than a statement of opinion...
I still disagree with you. NGS+ and NGS2+ should both be running at the same 60fps as the console. Action games are just as sensitive to changes in fps as fighters (especially ports of a console title) and thus should sacrifice visual fidelity to maintain framerate if possible, IMO.
NGS+ was not only 1/2 the speed of the console game but also couldn't even hold the solid 30fps... so the fact that it was native res was not helpful or welcome.
As for something like Malicious Rebirth, well...
You must not be playing the same game I am.
Play around in the hub world for a bit... double/triple/4x/5x/6x jump... watch how responsive the fist combos are and how they are in sync with your timing on the buttons (square, triangle, triangle, triangle for example). See how fast you have to jam on the button to get the fists of fury to come out.
Then go into any stage and try any of that.
The second you're in a stage with some enemies and such, it runs like it's underwater.
Get a boss like the twin queens? It's even worse.
It runs about the same as the console version, which is a shame.
As pointed out above -- they should've dropped the enemy count, dropped some graphical fidelity... done something to ensure that the game runs at a constant framerate. This isn't Castlevania:LoS where you can hide the terrible framerate in the "impact slowdown effect" of some moves to an extent. This runs more like a musou with some DMC influence and, IMO, needs to stay at a constant 30 at the very least. While you're right that the framerate, once in a stage, runs mostly constant, as soon as you enter the stage, it drops from 30 to somewhere in the mid 20s.
I was expecting it to run potentially better than the console counterpart based on some impressions here, but it most cases (as I expected it to) it actually runs worse.
I think it was a valiant attempt and I'm playing it and almost done with it (as you are), but I don't think it runs well at all. I'm not happy I paid $15 for it, as the #1 thing I wanted in the "director's cut" version was for them to fix the technical problems the PS3 game had. If it was only Story 1 with a constant 30fps (which would beat out the console version), I would have been throwing $15 at them. But within 3-5 minutes of purchase, I immediately noticed the "underwater" effect and wished I hadn't bought it. I think I'm trying to focus on finishing it because I like the core game and want to feel like I didn't waste $15. :lol
As far as I'm concerned, Vitabro/Vitacat/Vitamuffin are terms of the people who love their Vitas and frequent this thread, since, y'know, the terms were coined in this thread by regular members.
So y'know, that kind of makes being on GAF a requirement of sorts (though I'm sure there are exceptions).
I have noticed that it is sometimes harder to get what you want to come out at exactly the right time...sometimes...I think I may be too casual at action games to notice this sort of thing (didn't get far into NGS1 to pick up 2 either), sorry about that, I was one of the ones pumping this game up, even on how it ran.
I can definitely understand that if you put time into the original and it had issues then you'll want more refined gameplay this time.
Will play a bit more now (need to transfer save file from other memory card - I wanted the game on my main card) but I can't imagine how fast you must be tapping away to get it to slow down so much, unless I have become a noob.
Vita must be taking a beating playing it? Hope you use a grip
I can definitely understand that if you put time into the original and it had issues then you'll want more refined gameplay this time.
Will play a bit more now (need to transfer save file from other memory card - I wanted the game on my main card) but I can't imagine how fast you must be tapping away to get it to slow down so much, unless I have become a noob.
Vita must be taking a beating playing it? Hope you use a grip
It's not me, right? D:
I personally didn't care that much about graphics, but I think I understand your statement. IMO, if the game is a port (from a PS2/Xbox/whatever) and the original game was thought to be played in 60 fps, it should be in 60fps even if it isn't native res. The game was designed that way and otherwise you'll get a distorted experience.
For racing games, i think it depends. Wipeout has a really good sense of speed despite been 30 fps, though I often feel really confused in Battle stages. But i don't want to see every single grain of sand. If they can make it 60 fps, it's more responsive, so I'm happy.
And for action games, it depends. Uncharted (1, 2, 3 and GA) feel pretty good at 30 fps, at least in single player (haven't tried MP). God of War is probably the kind of game that I'd prefer in 60 fps, though.
That's my opinion, and I don't want to continue the discussion. I was just giving support to the statement that most Vitabros (which obviously refer to us, not the 5 million Vitas sold worlwide) prefer 60 fps over fancy graphics. They are not alone xD. Still, I understand why KZ:M is 30 fps. It's a game that is probably designed to be a graphic showcase of what the Vita is capable.
EsotericManiac
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corrosivefrost
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I have noticed that it is sometimes harder to get what you want to come out at exactly the right time...sometimes...I think I may be too casual at action games to notice this sort of thing (didn't get far into NGS1 to pick up 2 either), sorry about that, I was one of the ones pumping this game up, even on how it ran.
I can definitely understand that if you put time into the original and it had issues then you'll want more refined gameplay this time.
Will play a bit more now (need to transfer save file from other memory card - I wanted the game on my main card) but I can't imagine how fast you must be tapping away to get it to slow down so much, unless I have become a noob.
Vita must be taking a beating playing it? Hope you use a grip
Well, it's not necessarily how fast you tap or anything -- it's just that, with action games (and fighting games), everything is about frame data and timing -- so when you get into more complex action games and need to block or parry fluidly and the game runs slower, it changes the timing involved and thus you take damage or miss combos or something along those lines.
If you're looking for visual cues before you press your next button so you can decide on the fly "do I want the clapping combo or the 3-hit punch combo" your window is closed because you would have had to keep the same timing on the button presses even though the action on screen slowed down.
If you're not uber-sensitive to framerate (I don't think I am -- I'm pretty happy with WipEout 2048's 30fps... they got closer to the "feels like 60fps" than console DmC ever did. :lol) However if you want to notice the difference, seriously, go do jumps and moves in the hub for a minute or two... then load up a stage, skip the cinematic intro, and try jumping... I'm betting you'll notice it then.
See, you get it.
And action games, as I was using the term, are games of the DMC, NG, Bayonetta, MGR:R, GoW, type. These games should always run 60fps if possible, just like fighters. GoW3 (and possibly GoW:A) made an exception with a variable framerate on PS3, but I'm pretty sure that hovers around a constant 47... which is still acceptable. Taking a game where the game itself and every game in the series has run at 60fps (Ninja Gaiden Sigma) and porting it to Vita at half speed was questionable. I love having it around when I'm not irritated that the timing is all off and it's not as responsive as the console counterparts.
As for Uncharted, that's more of a third person cover-based shooter at it's core with some exploration/adventure elements.
Boogalogist
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Such sad news.... A PlayStation model without WipEout feels like it's missing an arm and a leg.
I didn't read the whole conversation about those graphic / fps discussion until a little later haha so i didn't get everything at first.
This thread always needs some positivism. We have Toto, Takao and others, so someone needs to balance the scale xD
EsotericManiac
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I get the impression those types are just miserable
i can't imagine looking at my vita and having an overall negative feeling about it
i can't imagine looking at my vita and having an overall negative feeling about it
Huh. I never considered that to be an option, dunno how I feel about it. I'd still buy it, but part of me wanting a DS2 is to return to the world/setting of the first game. If I wanted a spiritual sequel, I'd just keep playing Dark Souls. :
You are right frost, a lot of that is ringing a bell now. Odd timings trying to get the shield to come out, which I especially remember well with some of the boss moves. I think I was just spamming the other stuff on the whole !
Needs a bit of predicting as opposed to reacting to deal with the lag...I understand now. I was just having fun in the chaos and seeing it run on Vita I guess.
My bad though, that is important in these games, will remember for next time I comment and will try and spot it like you said testing in the hub world first.
theytookourterms
They feel for vita too much it hurts
Needs a bit of predicting as opposed to reacting to deal with the lag...I understand now. I was just having fun in the chaos and seeing it run on Vita I guess.
My bad though, that is important in these games, will remember for next time I comment and will try and spot it like you said testing in the hub world first.
theytookourterms
They feel for vita too much it hurts
ATXAlchemy
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Serious question.
I haven't played ToHearts or ToInnocence. But why do you guys want this so much? I tried both ToH R and ToI R demo and I didn't like the gameplay at all. It felt... annoying at times.
Granted, I've only played two Tales of Game and they're both Tales of Phantasia (SNES and GBA ver).
I am actually hoping they port Xillia (2) and Graces F instead since I pretty much skipped most of PS3 games due to college. I don't really care if they were just straight ports, but at least I've heard good things about them compared to ToH R and ToI R. :/
So has anyone actually played ToH R and ToI R yet?
matthewwhatever
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A Dishonored port would be so amazing. I really wanted to like the game on PS3, but I suck at FPS games that aren't on handhelds. Dishonored Vita would solve that problem nicely.
Only played ToH R and thought it was pretty mediocre. It really is not bad, but not good especially good either so like you, I hope they rather port the PS3 titles.
I've used it 3 times and it made the forum a whole lot better including this thread
The non Sony sponsored Arkham Origins ad features the 3DS logo, and the very unfortunate PlayStation solo logo. No breakdown between Vita and PS3.
A new PlayStation platform without a Ridge Racer shouldn't exist.
If it's been years since you've played them, expect to go in a new one completely lost.
Konami tried F2P Yu-Gi-Oh! before with Yu-Gi-Oh! Online on PC. It was constantly behind the TCG in card availability, and eventually shut down. They adapted Yu-Gi-Oh! on Facebook with Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM, but that has little in common with the real game.
Well, I haven't played Yu-Gi-Oh in quite a while but I haven't completely lost contact with the TCG. One friend of mine was an oficial referee (that is "arbitro" in English, right? xD) and I have one or two other friends that sometimes talk about it or even play them. So I know the basis about synchros and that kind of stuff.
I'll probably need quite some online matches to remember how to play it properly, though. Still, a iOS/Android F2P Yu-Gi-Oh game is a good idea. Most smartphone popular games are puzzles or tcg. About PC... I dunno, it's a lot more traditional gaming wise.
Hey famous whats going what freedom wars? And I thought you didn't drink?
They did that before IGC got big.
They did that before IGC got big.
Reading the past two pages (or 4 if you use 50 post per page) the thread is full of wishes and hopes on games that do not exist, this really tell about the current software situation and how the software available right now do not even appeal to the core Vita owners.
at least there are some posts about Batman.
at least there are some posts about Batman.
corrosivefrost
Member
That's unfortunate for the 3DS advertisement like that... the game is an entirely seperate game, not a 2D scaled down version of the console game. :\
Could be a case of: GAF > Internet > GAF
:lol
Nope. And hardly ever on PSP either. EU has the better promos (and libraries, mostly... and better Vita support).
No, they got the 3DS logo, at least people will know there is a 3DS "version" unlike Vita.
Seeing that KZ:M did not charted anywhere, if this bombs I think SCEE will pull a SCEA on Vita and drop their lil support completely, so Tearaway is Vita last hope in the west.
I seen you comment about your grammar. What I mostly see wrong with it is that you always have run on sentences. Where there should be a period, you use a comma instead. The only time you seem to use a period is when you're done with a paragraph.
On the subject of your post, what games are you looking forward to?
EsotericManiac
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his verbs also don't agree with his nouns (singular, singular / plural, plural)
you can tell english isn't his first language but he is easy to understand
you can tell english isn't his first language but he is easy to understand
The only problems I have with it is the frame rate dropping at times. It's really annoying when you have to make a decision, and it lags before your options are displayed. It sucks because the timer is still going down.
Thanks for the free grammar lesson I'm still trying to learn English so I really appreciate it.
Tearaway, Batman, Toukiden, DraganRanpa, God Eater 2, Akiba's Trip 2 there are interesting games coming but no one talking about them here so I think Vita owners don't care and want games that are not on the platform and will not be which is kinda depressing for me.
matthewwhatever
Member
Is Akiba's Trip going to be in English? The whole stripping girls thing seems really creepy to me, but on the flipside...fighting vampires and Yakuza-ish gameplay sounds like it could be fun.
I saw a Sony sponsored commercial for Arkham Origins here in Denmark yesterday, and it mentioned and showed Blackgate.
People somehow misinterpreted your request for more native resolution games to more 60 fps games. Honestly, it's one of the dumbest arguments we've had here.Man what a mess i caused lol! XD
Ok next time i won't talk for everyone, since not everyone agree i guess that famousmortimer won't tell to his contacts to request native res games :\
Some more native res games would not be bad though
This got an English release
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWxhRDJhU44&feature=youtu.be
so why not Akiba's Trip? I think it depend on demand and Xseed(since they are the only one care about this type of otaku games).
problem is no one seems to care and just want stuff that are not real yet.
Autofokus
Member
Sadly, it's plagued by the same problems as other console (and iOS) versions.
MDSLKTR
Member
So you will sell your vita and stop posting in this thread now that it's coming out?
The last time Toto sold his Vita, VitaGAF practically begged for his return.
A bunch of Gameplay video from tgs
http://www.jp.playstation.com/tgs2013/event/
soul sacrifice delta
second video
Over my dead body 2
Killzone shadowfall
GT6
ugh should make a thread..or someone else do it?
http://www.jp.playstation.com/tgs2013/event/
soul sacrifice delta
second video
Over my dead body 2
Killzone shadowfall
GT6
ugh should make a thread..or someone else do it?
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
Played a bunch of Killzone and Gravity Rush this weekend. Both games are fantastic.
I said in the other post there are many upcoming games I want and not just Tearaway.
did they fixed the FOV with the latest patch?
In the case of Batman it's either get tagged onto the end of the console game's ad, or don't receive any TV advertising at all. Any casual onlooker will notice the 3DS, Wii U, PC, and 360 logos at the end but with the generic PlayStation they'll just assume PS3 or something. I know hardware manufacturers dictate how their logos are depicted in those ads, so I don't understand why SCEA would enforce a catch all PlayStation tag. It's effectively limited Vita specific advertising for the whole of calendar year 2013 in North America to the end of MLB The Show's TV spots. I've seen the same thing happen to print ads for Batman as well.
Damn.
WB is in fault here as well since there are complete lack of media and info about Blackgate not just the ads.
Tizoc
Member
...aaaaaaaaaaand that's $10 saved =P
Well, we talked about them quite some times, but usually we spend more time about what we actually are playing or random topics.
But I can remember a couple of posts about Batman (people saying they're gonna buy it later because it's an epilogue to Origins), we were wondering about Toukiden release date and say how good it looks, a few days ago there were some posts about GE2 and Tearaway had quite some buzz over the last few months.
About Akiba's Trip 2, I dunno. It really is a niche inside a niche game, so it's normal that we aren't talking about it every 5 posts. Same with DanganRanpa, there is people which want to buy it (I'm one of them), there was a discussion they only releasing the 1 one, but not much more.
PS: I think you people were talking about Toto grammar. I don't care if you tell me any mistakes. I'm learning too, and I like to write without thinking too much which time i need to use and all that. If something I say is really weird, i'll like you to tell me something (if it's not a problem
). I'm doing the First Certificate Exam in less than 2 months, so any practice is worth it.And that's something I'll NEVER understand... that's why I only try to lurk here, without any sort of interaction.