Those attacks hit Malamar for neutral damage, who then Chesto-Rests and SE Night Slashes Aegislash's King's Shield for a +2 BOOST in Attack, thanks to Contrary. Aegislash won't stay in Shield Mode if it's smart. It also won't use Swords Dance since Malamar will reverse the effects with Topsy-Turvy.
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Every protect based move is on the same counter so no.
There hasn't been any restriction on that since Gen 3, so I'd be surprised if you couldn't. Can't say yes with 100% certainty though.
theprodigy
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yeah, actually I decided to set up Stealth Rocks+Shadow Ball
you died
and I think you forgot the part where default Aegislash is in shield mode, because you keep mentioning a King's Shield boost that will never come
Arright, just making sure, since Spiky Shield is new. I had this crazy shell smash/wide guard doubles idea back when BW first came out too that didn't work either. Theory is fun though.
Totally agreed about sleep. I like their ruling, but hate trying to explain to friends why they should stop winning, lol. Didn't one of the Pokemon Stadiums have a rule preventing more than one from being frozen or something?
And I'm so scared of Blaziken right now. Everyone probably has one, and he's pretty tough to counter. Sometimes I think they're a little overzealous though, like when Garchomp and Salamence were banned for a little while, or Swift Swim/Drizzle banned.
On that last question, I don't think so. If Spiky Shield is like protect and endure and detect, it probably uses the same 'did you use one of those moves last turn' check. I'm just guessing though.
Chesto-Rest for instant full recovery and mobility after Stealth Rocks. If Malamar is switching in, Aegislash has probably already attacked, in which case King's Shield is its only way back to defense mode, giving Malamar a +2 Attack boost as it Night Slashes.
Aegislash goes into Blade Mode as soon as it attacks.
theprodigy
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Talonflame is a hard counter to Blaziken though
also yeah Spiky Shield doesn't work for that, neither does King's Shield for that matter
lmao Chesto-Rest immediately after entry?
thanks for the free switch
actually Shadow Ball+Shadow Sneak kills it after that, lmao what a terrible strategy, you were better of just Night Slashing away
Deified Data
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Spiky Shield worth keeping on a Chesnaught?
some PR movies are really hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDdg5_DcuCw
so true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUOTks4gztU
this remind me of IGN meme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDdg5_DcuCw
so true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUOTks4gztU
this remind me of IGN meme
If Aegislash killed the prior Pokemon or they switched out together, and Stealth Rock was the only entry hazard my bulky Malamar took, it wouldn't need to Chesto-Rest that turn. Unless you outspeed him and your attack next turn OHKOs, Malamar will hit Blade Form's frail defense for SE damage while you hit for neutral and at that point I can decide whether to Chesto-Rest and you can decide whether to use King's Shield and risk the boost. Many Sword Dance sets for Aegislash will also be rendered moot by Malamar.
I got wonder traded a Vulpix well before I got the national dex. Number was just ???. So yeah, you can do it.
It's based on the region it was caught in, IIRC. Go ahead and evolve it.
Also, if you don't know already, 'region' in this case means the country you selected when you started the game. If you have time + money, you can get a spare copy, set a different region, trade over a Scatterbug and restart, and repeat.
ScraftyDevil
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Chill out, dude.
And you can do some nice mind games with that. I dodged a shadow ball by using a normal attack first on that turn. (it was a double battle, I killed the other poke with that attack)
theprodigy
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when did you jump in
also unfortunately for Malamar, anything that actually throws up Sticky Web OHKOs it too, oof that's gotta hurt
and yeah, Protean Greninja is cool
ScraftyDevil
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I'm not getting involved in the argument. I'm just saying there's no need to tell people that their strategies are terrible to their faces and then openly mock them. It's uncalled for and rude.
Deified Data
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Every move that he can learn he can STAB.
Eh IDK. I like how it's basically Protect, but it feels like the damage you take back is pretty low.
theprodigy
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also doesn't protect against statuses
Deified Data
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Yeah, it was underwhelming. Does it count as grass-type damage? If so I have't tested it in a super-effective scenario yet.
entremet
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Does he also change types from a defensive point of view, or is that just offensive.
It's OK, I don't take it personally. I think he's underestimating how well Malamar would hold up against Aegislash and how well Malamar stops Aegislash's usual tricks. But it's no big deal.
Deified Data
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He changes types defensively as well, so it's also a great defensive ability.
A lot of things to mix and match with Protean Greninja, depending on whether you're Physical or Special, and what immunities/resistances you'd like:
- Waterfall/Scald/Surf/Hydro Pump
- Spikes (and I think Toxic Spikes??)
- Grass Knot
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- U-Turn
- Extrasensory
- Shadow Sneak
That last one has to be the most fun. Turn Ghost-type with a priority move right before someone tries to hit you with a Fighting-type move for SE damage, thinking you're still part-Dark. Instead you become pure Ghost and avoid the attack entirely. Ditto for Spikes making your Ground-type before someone shoots an Electric-type attack your way.
I'm looking at Spikes | Scald | Ice Beam | Shadow Sneak myself, on a Sp. Attack set. With Focus Sash, I can get in at least one layer of Spikes, barring multi-hit moves. Scald can burn and lower Attack and maybe encourage a switch into Spikes. Ice Beam for offensive coverage. Shadow Sneak for the Normal/Fighting bypass and priority. Shadow Sneak is weak on a Timid set with Sp. Attk investment, but still gains STAB and is more about moving first and becoming Ghost-type on the fly.
- Waterfall/Scald/Surf/Hydro Pump
- Spikes (and I think Toxic Spikes??)
- Grass Knot
- Ice Beam
- Dark Pulse
- U-Turn
- Extrasensory
- Shadow Sneak
That last one has to be the most fun. Turn Ghost-type with a priority move right before someone tries to hit you with a Fighting-type move for SE damage, thinking you're still part-Dark. Instead you become pure Ghost and avoid the attack entirely. Ditto for Spikes making your Ground-type before someone shoots an Electric-type attack your way.
I'm looking at Spikes | Scald | Ice Beam | Shadow Sneak myself, on a Sp. Attack set. With Focus Sash, I can get in at least one layer of Spikes, barring multi-hit moves. Scald can burn and lower Attack and maybe encourage a switch into Spikes. Ice Beam for offensive coverage. Shadow Sneak for the Normal/Fighting bypass and priority. Shadow Sneak is weak on a Timid set with Sp. Attk investment, but still gains STAB and is more about moving first and becoming Ghost-type on the fly.
entremet
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I originally had Dark Pulse instead of Ice Beam but someone persuaded me to change based on its offensive capabilities. If you're faster you can always uses Scald for Water to resist Fire and Steel, Spikes for Ground to resist Rock, or Shadow Sneak for priority and to receive only neutral damage from all of above plus immunity to Fighting.Except after Ice Beam lol. My poor ice types.
Out of all the Sticky web users only Galvantula would be able to outspeed and kill Malamar. Masquerain, Shuckle, and Ariados are all slower than Malamar and Smeargle's offensive stats aren't very good.
Pegosaurus
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Guys, I wasn't even doing Masuda, but I managed to hatch a shiny Gible with 31/31/x/31/31/31, I might just cut my losses here. How negligible is the stat increase to defense like this? I don't know the exact value
theprodigy
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Galvantula is also gonna be the primary user of it in the first place
edit: hell switching in Galvantula on Malamar is free
ScraftyDevil
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Would you be willing to trade one of your rejects with perfect Attack, Special Attack and Speed for a 4-5 perfect IVs Froakie, Inkay or Gastly?
Wouldn't Contrary Malamar's speed BOOST under Sticky Web?
Doesn't sticky web just lower speed? My Malamar has contrary, so I'm assuming it would raise my speed which would be to my advantage?
A little new with battle mechanics going into X/Y. I've been playing since Red/Blue, but I just never really had a strategy other than attack attack attack because I never did anything competitively.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Oh man; someone ingame just Bulldozed my Malamar and its Speed was boosted.
I can think of so many switch-in opportunities for this thing :>
I can think of so many switch-in opportunities for this thing :>
Yeah, for sure. But why did you say anything that throws up sticky web OHKOs Malamar?
theprodigy
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doesn't matter, Malamar has no shot in hell of OHKOing while Bug Buzz overkills like crazy
Malamar goes first, so what, every bug type will resist or go neutral with its attacks and Superpower's defense boost isn't gonna save it
Just use Bug Buzz instead?
Then you switch, and bring him back to kill Aegislash later. And proceed to OHKO Galvantula with any number of options.
theprodigy
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I don't think Galvantula is as vulnerable as you think it is
who's the one underestimating things now
Pegosaurus
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yeah absolutely, but I'll have to decide which one I want lol
if anyone else wants a Gible I can hand them out for other IV bred pokemon
Edit: Which one has the most Synergy with (nonMega) Garchomp?
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