BotoxAgent
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More proof of Detective GAF being infinitely more reputable than these shittag gaming publications.
Wow, these publications are a bunch of scams.
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Xboxone Resolutiongate (Eurogamer)
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More proof of Detective GAF being infinitely more reputable than these shittag gaming publications.
Wow, these publications are a bunch of scams.
If you want to find journalists talking about how lower resolution games look bad upscaled, just find them talking about the Wii and how Nintendo should release a Wii HD.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/nintendos-reggie-fils-aime-squashes-wii-hd-rumors-again/
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/nintendos-reggie-fils-aime-squashes-wii-hd-rumors-again/
dgrdsv
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Nothing about what he said was wrong. Everything you highlighted is correct - The Xbox One version IS sharper than you would expect from a 720p upscale. The PS4 DOES look kinda blurry in comaparison (not to say that the IQ is better on Xbox One of course - he's not saying that).
WrenchNinja
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Open and shut case here.
Muppet of a Man
Member
This is exactly the hypocricy from DF and other outlets that we've seen on display for some time now. There is definitely some strange bias in the media towards MS and their game consoles. The 360 just conveniently happened to be the better console last gen and that allowed them to tap into their confirmation bias.
Haunted
Member
If it makes you feel better to believe that, be my guest.
It doesn't matter what you believe of course since he's factually incorrect and he exaggerates the problems in one article when it's 360 advantage, and attempts to minimize the differences between the PS4 and XBO versions of BF when it's Sony advantage. And it's a fact that the PS4 advantage in Battlefield is much, much larger than the advantage 360 had in Black Ops 2, and it was immediately obvious to every single journalists on the floor who isn't a lunatic fanboy.
Americanmushroom
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and just to backup what I said about the NFS Ads... here is someone from the comment section, when it was happening.
Viruz
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Good find, I'm sure there are MANY more.
Edit: This post from zombie james deserves a new thread.
Expose the biased/bought "journos".
Avid Reading Horse
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Having played both versions pretty extensively (100 hours on PS3, at least 400 on 360), BO2 does look pretty bad on PS3. More than you would think based on the resolution IMO.
staticneuron
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Actually in the article
I know it may be a bit unpopular at the time to point this out but, while you can agree the tone and wording used is a bit harsher, the issues with quality has nothing to do with resolution alone.
travisbickle
Member
I'd expect a 720p upscaled to look sharp, pixels the size of you fist are gonna cut.
Crimson_Gold
Member
This was too funny
SniperHunter
Banned
Digital failure
What are the facts then? If you are denying that the X1 version looks sharper there's no point in continuing because thats obvious to anyone who has even glanced at the images (just sharper, not saying it looks better or its not more aliased).
I'm not arguing the langauage (it is harsher, but the PS3 version of BO2 looks kinda gross, and the X1 version of BF4 still looks okay in its own right).
BrainZEROX
Member
Wow. Very good.
What a fantastic movie too... I would like a Blade Runner game on PS4/XB1/PC. But, please, not a shooter...
Higher contrast perhaps, but in no way does the X1 version look sharper. You are in denial.
Not sure if it was brought up but the Ghostbusters comparison is even worse. Too lazy to dig it up =P
Yup. That's my impression.
A straight bilinear 624->720 pixel interpolation is going to produce nasty blurring. Especially compared to a 720->1080 upscale that has heavy sharpening applied.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting the posts here, but people seem to be complaining that his wording is making the xb1 come off too well. "moneyhats" etc.
The xb1 version has better upscaling. So with that in mind, how is wording like "absolute dominance" and "undeniable, quantifiably worse" giving the xb1 version a free pass? The point is it's still a playable game. A disappointing result for sure - but not as bad as the raw numbers would suggest thanks to a sharpening upscaler that isn't present on the ps4 version...
FWIW "hold up" to me doesn't mean "equal", so maybe that's where people are reading it differently to me?.
Bwahaha perfect!
Found the ghostbusters comparison
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-20
Here is a nice quote
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-360-vs-ps3-face-off-round-20
Here is a nice quote
I mean subjectively that's the reviewers opinion. To my eye too. The upscaling in the PS4 version looks like standard bilinear, which will look blurry. End of the day we don't know if they are using the system's built in upscaling shaders, but my money would on the game implementing it itself.
Standard practise; you render the game at whatever res, then render it to your output buffer at output resolution (usually with bilinear filtering) and render the HUD, etc on top. The xb1 display planes do add another possibility, but ultimately they are just the same thing implemented at the OS level.
xaosslug
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just GAF keeping gaming media honest, as usual. Awesome.
No, it doesn't. Both consoles have hardware scalers. The Xbone version just has to upscale more because of the whopping great difference in resolution.
And yes, if going from 720p to 960 x 540 on Ghostbusters was a whopping great drop then going from 1600 x 900 to 720p on BF4 is also a whopping great drop.
Video game journalism has been an oxymoron since the print industry got killed off. Even then, it as a joke, but at least those guys seemed more consistent. The internet has completely ruined objectivity, and it's a shame. There's no point in reading those websites anymore. Do yourselves a favor and watch videos on mute, like I do, bypassing any nuisance text that gets in the way. Many of these clowns were forum posters like you and I not that long ago anyway, so wtf do they even know? It's not like they got any special training, so why value their opinions or comments any higher than Random Forumite X's? PEACE.
no. Because there is absolutely no evident has a magic better scaler. neither you or I have played this under native and seen the difference before or after? only difference as already admitted by DF was recording issue with limited RGB showing "sharper" image with crushed blacks. obviously AA solution also makes impact on IQ. none of above had anything with scaler quality.
malboroking
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The PS4 and the XB1 have the same god damn upscalar. Where did people get the idea that xb1 upscalar is better? Because its utter bullshit.
Well, I don't even worship a human being, much less a clown.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
It's the new secret sauce.
The RGB issue was seperate from the sharpness issue.
We don't know what customizations they done to the scalers.
If you say so.
malboroking
Banned
Truly the new secret sauce.
The DF foundry BF4 article. There's a great post floating around which exposes their failings in regard to it.
HORRORSHØW
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Black Snake Moan?
Black Snake Moan.
NullPointer
Member
Sure, lets all buckle our safety belts and take a ride in the way, way, way back machine, as if breakdowns unearthed from the murky depths of ancient history would have a bearing on today's realities.
That article is a whopping three hundred and fifty days old. Might as well be talking about the Sumerians for all the difference it makes.
Lets try to stay current and relevant, people.
There's no way that these people are just spineless rodents with no integrity right? Microsoft has to be like your average scooby doo villain. "We'll show them! Say our games are inferior and we wont invite them to press events anymore!" And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling cached articles written by the same writers less than a year ago!
45 here from same generation we are.
Indeed. The only reason the xbone version might have looked better is because of the problematic DF capture that exaggerated the contrast (along with crushed blacks). This is akin to an unsuspecting customer who is drawn to retail demo TVs that had their contrast janked way up.
It's been suggests that Frostbite 3 engine uses software scaling. So it's not that the Xbone has a better hardware scaler than the PS4 (they're identical as they're both GCN AMD GPUs). But that BF4 ignores the hardware scaler and does it in software.
The other possibility is the PS4 version had more aggressive post process AA. Which is why the Xbone version is a jaggy mess, but in the flip side, the PS4 version looks less sharp.
Using a single multi plat, cross gen game to make definitive statements about a new consoles technical performance and limitations is nuts. Especially when different game engines do different things in software (AA, scaling, sharpening etc).
The PS4 is clearly more powerful. But wait until the full range of launch games hit to see just how much weaker and more limited the Xbone is.
The other possibility is the PS4 version had more aggressive post process AA. Which is why the Xbone version is a jaggy mess, but in the flip side, the PS4 version looks less sharp.
Using a single multi plat, cross gen game to make definitive statements about a new consoles technical performance and limitations is nuts. Especially when different game engines do different things in software (AA, scaling, sharpening etc).
The PS4 is clearly more powerful. But wait until the full range of launch games hit to see just how much weaker and more limited the Xbone is.
It's hard to say. I'd really like to find out for sure, but man, I wouldn't be surprised given the way this industry often works.
Umm I think you miss the point.