Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches
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PsychoSoldier
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Prince Vultan
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Entitled man-baby.
methane47
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Maybe that's because all things are not equal.
You could argue that MS has Kinect. But hardly anyone on GAF cares about that. so its moot.
You could say that there's a cable box, but then you have to put all kinds of asterisks ontop of that. You have to have a separate subscription, you have to live in the US, you have to actually care about cable.
Xbox1's standout features aren't system sellers. While Resolution and power and graphics and PRICE are.
Hahaha.Sessler gonna Sessel.
weekend_warrior
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Modern games journalism is all about maintaining status quo so you can ride the gravy train as long as possible.
IHaveCandy
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Storage capacity helps games.
that leg drop is the equivalent to saying microsoft's drm scheme was just a messaging problem.
lmao
Marginally in the case of BR, and that was not at the forefront of Sony's mind when they included either of them.
Metroid-Squadron
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More like, "PS4 is more powerful but what matters the most is the games". Which is true.
Iorv3th
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But we are comparing multiplat games.... so it's the 'same' gameplay on both platforms, but one runs much smoother and looks better so it doesn't matter?
So, you're getting a Wii U. Great.
Now what if another system, lets call it the Ex U, comes out and plays the exact same games as the Wii U. It's $100 cheaper and the graphics look slightly better. It also appears as though it has more power, period, and down the road might be able to better leverage that power to make games look better / run faster / avoid framerates dips that the Wii U might have.
You still have yet to buy the Wii U and both are available. Hell, lets even get rid of fanboyism and say they're both from Nintendo.
Which would you get?
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I can understand people getting both systems. I can understand people getting one system over the other based on exclusives. Hell, I can even understand it based on controllers.
The type of mental gymnastics being performed to justify inferior products for more money (based on multiplats) is headache inducing.
Seriously, why even type this? It has nothing to do with what's being discussed. I am honestly curious.
Before this circus started (before either console was announced) i said multiple times that i would've been very disappointed in a 720p-as-a-standard console (and was soured by Nintendo going down that route).
So yeah, it's not something that just came out of nowhere to fuel "the console war".
I mean i'm not even getting a Ps4 for at least a year, so it's not like i give a shit who gets on top of the preorders, but 720p is very noticeable to me, and it was something i always knew i didn't want.
Suddenly everyone seems to have gone blind.
I actually do agree with him that the most important thing with next-gen will be upgrades in game design than upgrades in graphics. And it'll be interesting to see who has the greater vision and level of innovation between MS or Sony studios.
The graphics are important, however, when you compare multiplat games to one another. Might as well go for the better looking one.
The graphics are important, however, when you compare multiplat games to one another. Might as well go for the better looking one.
Sword Of Doom
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But nobody is arguing resolution > games. That's what's so silly about these types of comments by people like Sessler. The fact that a brand new console is struggling with games is the issue here regardless of price. To dismiss that completely doesn't make sense. It needs to be addressed
Nymphae
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This is what it seems like. Don't ruffle any feathers or you won't get free stuff sent to you. I can't think of any other reasonable explanation for what we've been hearing.
Of course, the main game I'm running on it is Diablo 3 which outputs at 1120x584, so a 720p panel wouldn't help much there.
It has super low display lag, though.
Polioliolio
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PC games have consistently run games at 1080 without any major difficulty, the last two generations even... Why can't consoles match that?
It's sort of important, considering the push for even higher def televisions that may become the standard in several years.
It's sort of important, considering the push for even higher def televisions that may become the standard in several years.
Metroid-Squadron
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You are comparing multiplat games. Is he? I get the impression he's talking about exclusives.
Also, he never said it doesn't matter. He said that resolution doesn't have to be the definitive aspect of next-gen gaming. Hardly the same thing. But I guess to a lot of people hearing "it's not the most important thing" means "it doesn't matter at all". That would explain this whole mess of nonsense.
mckmas8808
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Hmmm....interesting. It does have that same feel.
Am I missing something here, or are those all links to reviews and/or comparison articles? Do you think that when those articles start coming out for this generation (in a few weeks and then continuing after), they will just not mention the difference? Did we have front-page articles every day proclaiming that one console is more powerful than the other, like people are expecting? Do we have a headline each day that reminds us that the Vita is more powerful than the 3DS?
The expectations here are ridiculous. The power difference has been covered. The differences in games that we're aware of has been covered. Everything has been made public information, and we still have (look through this thread) insecure people that are so personally hung up on this that they need daily affirmation and public declaration that yes, the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One.
The thing is that it's just not a big fucking deal. It's one point to consider if you can only afford one console, but it is far below "what games do I want to play". That's how it is, and how it should be. There have never been two identical consoles out, why would it start happening now?
"Journalists" generally didn't make a big deal out of performance differences in the past unless it affected gameplay (and even then it's a blurb in a review). If that happens again (which it very well may), you will certainly see the same thing. Maybe wait until that actually happens to start lynching them?
Oh I agree, but it is at least a difference you could point out and inform people about. Really what interests me most is the online aspects of the consoles, I want to see the party systems, cross game chat, matchmaking ect that these consoles are doing.
It was a gigantic struggle to get MS to even show off the snap feature of the OS though so I guess that sort of comparison will have to wait till both are out and people can do it themselves?
I think there's the desire to project the "close race" narrative like most modern news media of any kind but there's probably also a more fundamental issue for the existing crop of game journalists: they're just not properly trained or equipped in any real fashion to provide objective, empirical analysis for those elements of games that lend themselves to that. Gaming being such a nascent industry still, it's been easy to get away with subjective analysis, more loosely based in fact and more grounded in the feels. So they want to shrug off quantitative measures and stick to truthiness.
The embargo is embargo'd?
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Why on earth are MS embargoing their games until the Actual console release.... are they THAT BAD or not confident in their hardware/software as to not compare it to Sony's, whatever their afraid of it will come out regardless.
but why would they embargo the embargo lol
Portugeezer
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He said that?? damn
plus 60fps.
Metroid-Squadron
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No, he didn't.
PsychoSoldier
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I feel like the central point that there's more to game quality than image quality is a fine one.
What diminishes it greatly is that
A) His obvious attempt to diminish the actual difference between the two by referring to it as "upscaled 1080p" as opposed 720p. If you don't think image quality is all that important, then why be mealy-mouthed about the difference?
B) Since the comparisons we have available to us are of the exact same game with different image quality the only way this example has any current relevance is to attempt to diminish the relevance that IQ has in these examples. If the talk around these consoles was about one game with high IQ but staid gameplay versus a fairly low IQ game with very ambitious gameplay, such platitudes would make more sense. The irony about this, of course, is that Sony's aggressive stance to catering to indies means that the likelihood is that there is going to be plenty of really ambitious gameplay ideas in the system with the higher IQ.
What diminishes it greatly is that
A) His obvious attempt to diminish the actual difference between the two by referring to it as "upscaled 1080p" as opposed 720p. If you don't think image quality is all that important, then why be mealy-mouthed about the difference?
B) Since the comparisons we have available to us are of the exact same game with different image quality the only way this example has any current relevance is to attempt to diminish the relevance that IQ has in these examples. If the talk around these consoles was about one game with high IQ but staid gameplay versus a fairly low IQ game with very ambitious gameplay, such platitudes would make more sense. The irony about this, of course, is that Sony's aggressive stance to catering to indies means that the likelihood is that there is going to be plenty of really ambitious gameplay ideas in the system with the higher IQ.
Can Crusher
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Nymphae
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I've been wondering why we haven't seen any impressions of One games but we're seeing lots for PS4. They must be afraid of the negative comparisons, but, it's a little shady to force the press to shut up about it until consumers can buy it.
They aren't....
Nymphae
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lmfao.
yes those things have been stated, yet almost always have a but attached to them. "yes ps4 seems more powerful, but the games are what matters." or "yes the ps4 version has a higher resolution, but no one will notice the difference." adding the additional buts to the end are neither required nor do the consumers a service. these things need to be stated and left at that. if you want to have an opinion piece on why you think those things do not matter or are not a big deal, do so outside of providing the gaming news.
the real problem seems to be that the gaming media is attempting to make the consoles seem entirely equal in most regards, which they are not. it would be better stated if they said well the ps4 is more powerful and will most likely be able to put out better looking games. while the xbox one is an all in one media system, and has features that the ps4 can not do(possibly expanding on what those features). this would be a fair comparison without downplaying the advantages of either system. which is exactly what the majority of people in this thread seem to want
PanicFreak
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To dominate the news cycle the week of the Xbox One's release.
I am not basing that conversation on fact, but didn't you read it or why are you so sure? As evidence suggests otherwise, that guy is not the first referrence I have seen sugguesting X1 Games are embargoed until 15Th Nov and 'no one is talking about that'.
Its on the release day, everyone will have bought the console by then, especially "if" the console is a sell out, why would that strategy work, especially if the results are negative.
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Ya think?
I can't wait until the "tell all" book comes out(like it did for Xbox and 360) so we know who to blame the fucking disaster that X1 is from a hardware parity\direction perspective.
Portugeezer
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New thread?
Listen from 1:30 closely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mJl_zKAu0&feature=youtu.be&t=1m41s
Nothing more needs to be said.
Time for Sessler white knights to stop making excuses.
Did you ignore this because it's hypothetical too?
Colour me curious...
QuicheFontaine
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Where've you been for the last 10 pages?
New thread?
Listen from 1:30 closely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mJl_zKAu0&feature=youtu.be&t=1m41s
His larger point in the video seems to be that 1080p/60fps are uninteresting features though.
So i can see why he doesn't really care about the whole discussion.
maximum360
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Eh. I think he has a point. If he did make contrary comments before he should own up to it and if he changed his mind so be it. I was pretty hard on the Xbox One initially and almost went PS4 but exclusives would pull me in both directions so I decided to preorder both the XB1 and PS4.
I'm beyond this console war nonsense. Would I like all games to be 1080p and 60 fps? Yes. Once you've accepted the fact that they won't and focus on enjoying the games that will make the difference. Quite a few people [clearly not enough though] have bought the WII U and seem content.
Triggerhappytel
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Maybe, but in that case it's really backfired on them because it makes it look like they've got something to hide in the meantime.
Particularly when people get burned like Metroid just did, I always look forward to their reply. A mea culpa, perhaps, an apology. An example of growing and learning from one's mistakes.
It rarely happens, but the internet and threads move fast, so....
Context is key here. He said that while making fun of graphics enthusiasts. What he said after that quote is almost exactly what he's saying here. He's arguing that resolutions and slight framerate differences don't define next gen gaming. It's the new experiences made possible with the new hardware that will define the next generation, not the resolution that games are running at. If that's all that mattered, everyone should have bought a gaming pc back in 08.
The reason to be excited for the ps4 and xb1 isn't that we will finally hit 1080p, it's that, at least for a while, the hardware won't limit the type of game a developer wants to make or the experience they want the player to have. I remember reading about what obsidian originally had planned for fallout new vegas. It was going to be pretty cool. Too bad they ran into RAM issues (like most devs did late this gen). Imagine how much more open and explorable the next Last of Us game can be now that ND doesn't have to wrestle with RAM issues anymore.
That's not his larger point at all. It's that 1080p/60fps is the bare minimum expectation for these new consoles, that devs don't deserve any extra kudos for offering that. Instead, what he wants to see is innovation and new gameplay ideas. New experiences etc.
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