That's not a hard rule. The main point of me linking the article was to state that parodies are much more upfront. They would have had stuff like the dancers throwing up or some other ridiculous element. Parody would be just mimicry with hyperexaggeration for comedic effect without any of the social commentary, which this video isn't.
Lily Allen Returns to Mock Miley Cyrus, Robin Thicke, Et Al.
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That's not a hard rule. The main point of me linking the article was to state that parodies are much more upfront. They would have had stuff like the dancers throwing up or some other ridiculous element. Parody would be just mimicry with hyperexaggeration for comedic effect without any of the social commentary, which this video isn't.
freenudemacusers
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guys I don't get it
UltimaPooh
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That is what I posted from the excerpt. This video follows that definition.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh soooo good. If real best post ever.
Why does it feel like I keep writing the same thing over?
Satire can mimic things, just as parodies can. The point is that satires are social commentary and the comedic value isn't as important as the message itself.
It's really weird. 2/6 of the background dancers are white. If it was the other way around, they probably wouldn't be talking about it.
Now that Youtube requires G+ names, it has collided with Tumblr and everyone is saying Lilly was oppressing "WoC" by sexualizing them.
Can you believe that Lily Allen is sexualizing women this way? You'd think that as a woman in the music industry, she would understand why this is wrong. Absolutely disgusting
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Heres a comment that i pulled off youtube and something i noticed from the video as well:
"I'm not going to shake my ass on you because I have a brain", the focus is mostly on the black women twerking in the video. Since twerking is largely done by black women, this portion is heavily problematic because it implies that twerking is only for UNINTELLIGENT women, i.e., black women
Yea she does have other backup dancers but notice how they are more covered and there is less emphasis on their dancing.
I'm sure this wasn't her intent but the "satire/parody" of this video is poorly done
UltimaPooh
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You probably feel that way because you keep describing a parody.
Yes satire can mimic things but as you posted that link, which was to prove your point, satires are typically more subtle and have a criticism with in it.
The song is a satire. The video is a parody.
Would you say the Colbert Report is a satire or parody?
How about Weird Al's songs?
UltimaPooh
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Well the Colbert report is much, much, much longer than a 4:23 music video. It's also way deeper. So to answer your question is both because it has so much time and ways to do both.
Parody typically. Though a few of his songs are satirical in nature.
Both use mimicry and go for comedic efffect. So what would separate the two in your eyes?
UltimaPooh
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Criticism and subtleness.
Unfortunately true lol.
I still like her, just saying.. Maybe don't wear that stuff when you've packed on more than a few lbs on tour
MilesWebber
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She's the only real person in the world. <3 her.
EvilDick34
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I loves me some Lily Allen, she just does it for me.
Intentional, like posted 5 times now.
Ok. So do you see why she chose fit black dancers twerking in the background? The video is a criticism of pop videos. Can we agree on that?
UltimaPooh
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But I don't think it really criticisms them in any meaningful way. I already pointed out that a similar video by Miley Cyrus is way less tame than her own so she just becomes part of the problem.
No one learns anything based on the images alone.
The song is an decent satire but the video is not.
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The fact that Miley Cyrus's video is more tame than hers is sorta the point. She is exaggerating a normal pop video (although there are worse out there that are played straight) and the women in them.
UltimaPooh
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Which is why it's a parody because it doesn't add any criticism or subtleness to it.
And the song isn't even about pop videos... It's about the stereotypical gender roles that society places on her and other women.
The Director Christopher Sweeney probably thought that those pop stars and videos were easy enough targets and close enough to her message... and decided to make this.
please explain this line to me
"I'm not going to shake my ass on you because I have a brain"
while she shows black women in the video shaking their ass. Because i don't understand this.
Yeah, this is about as deep as a thimble. Frightening.
I'm out. I wasted enough time on this.
UltimaPooh
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Thanks for talking Jarmel!
It's hard out here for a Pooh.
Clearly... you and I didn't understand this video because like that ass shake at that exact moment shows you the viewer that you fixate on the ass shaking instead of her message and that's when you lose the message and therefore I am sad because you can't like understand that.
I can't tell if you are being serious or just taking the piss out of the youtube comments lol?
3 black women
3 white women
I think it's because she's parodying Miley Cyrus; a white girl who had only black girls twerking with her.
http://youtu.be/LrUvu1mlWco?t=1m27s
notice how the three white women are wearing more clothing than the black women and also the fact that the emphasis isn't placed on their dancing. You barely see them in the video. The video isn't constructed properly.
PsihoPerihelion
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I think you are just reading too much into it
I do applaud Lily for trying to start a conversation about women in the music industry, but I can't help but feel that Lily's commentary is redundant and late. Twerking and the sexualization of black women in music videos is hardly a recent thing. It's really been going on for a long ass time, tons of videos in the early 2000s featured big booty stripper hoes. People only finally took notice because it's beginning to the pop world with mainstream artists like Rihanna and Miley Cyrus incorporating black culture elements into their artistry.
Let me guess, you're kind of a sees-individual-tree-molecules kind of person.
So are you actually going to say something?
You're probably right, i am reading into things a bit. But at the same time, this is the same girl who posted blackface of her husbands wang. Admittedly, I know nothing anything about her and from what i've heard her music is pretty damn good; but It doesn't help her out.
Blackface that was referring to a black woman, mind you.
Coffee Dog
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love that people are having to be walked through satire here
some people just will never get certain types of comedy. That's why criticism of comedy rarely works well. Either you find it funny or you don't.
some people just will never get certain types of comedy. That's why criticism of comedy rarely works well. Either you find it funny or you don't.
Purple Cheeto
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I hope so too, cause it made the song almost unbearable.
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