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[Crayons]

And if you can't detect the sarcasm
You've misunderstood

These were literally in the lyrics guys.

 

[Stet]

Taking this discussion personal or something? I clearly know what satire is.



So it's satire to point out that you don't have to fit a stereotypical beauty standard and then have that exact same standard all over your video? I guess it is satire on the content of the music itself. There you have a point.

The point of the song is in direct competition of what happens in the video. It makes her message messy... I mean look at the rest of the thread:







Comments on out appearances rather than who she is as a person, which is the point of the song.

If Allen's intent was to take her song and make a satire of it... then she did that wonderfully.

I think you're confusing satire with parody.

 

[Five]

Just because it's ironic doesn't make it good. It might have been a fun song to listen to on a regular basis otherwise.

 

[outunderthestars]

Which, with the proper satirical bent is quite funny.

Look up satire and come back to this thread.

But I would argue that the satire falls flat. it just isn't very clever, and lacks any wit or insight.

The song is really tame and one dimensional, especially in comparison to her earlier work, which actually contained biting satirical indictments of pop culture.

 

[UltimaPooh]

I think you're confusing satire with parody.

I might be. Then the video is a parody of her song.

Satire is a criticism which the song is but the video is not.

 

[rdrr gnr]

That was terrible.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

Lily's return! I await her full body of work with open ears.

 

[Jarmel]

But I would argue that the satire falls flat. it just isn't very clever, and lacks any wit or insight.

The song is really tame and one dimensional, especially in comparison to her earlier work, which actually contained biting satirical indictments of pop culture.

It's clever enough that people aren't picking it up.

 

[Cheebo]

Taking this discussion personal or something? I clearly know what satire is.



So it's satire to point out that you don't have to fit a stereotypical beauty standard and then have that exact same standard all over your video? I guess it is satire on the content of the music itself. There you have a point.

The point of the song is in direct competition of what happens in the video. It makes her message messy... I mean look at the rest of the thread:







Comments on out appearances rather than who she is as a person, which is the point of the song.

If Allen's intent was to take her song and make a satire of it... then she did that wonderfully.

Satire isn't the same thing as parody. She even says if you don't see that this is sarcasm then you didn't get the point.

 

[Lumination]

The autotune is ironic....

I stealth edited my post.

Just because it's ironic doesn't make it good. It might have been a fun song to listen to on a regular basis otherwise.

Yeah, this.

 

[Moze]

Taking a satirical look at the sexual objectification of women in the music industry isn't anything new or witty. It is funny though, especially considering the amount of suspect live performances Lily Allen done during her last album. Now she will go and sell her song to kids who will be going around singing the chorus.

Good work Lily

 

[outunderthestars]

It's clever enough that people aren't picking it up.

Helen Keller could see the point she is trying to make. I just think that she failed, rather miserably with both the song and the video.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Satire isn't the same thing as parody. She even says if you don't see that this is sarcasm then you didn't get the point.

Sarcasm that she is using to define stereotypes... Then she goes on to have the stereotypes in her video.

Helen Keller could see the point she is trying to make. I just think that she failed, rather miserably with both the song and the video.

Just wanted to say... Well said.

 

[vikki]

I kind of like what she is saying, but the people it's aimed at seems like an easy target. Lily Allen can make decent music and not give a damn about the other pop stars. If she is ever asked about these other pop stars then she can say that she prefers to use her brain rather than her looks.

 

[Jarmel]

Helen Keller could see the point she is trying to make. I just think that she failed, rather miserably with both the song and the video.

Well when people are complaining as to why black women are in the videos, I think points were missed.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Well when people are complaining as to why black women are in the videos, I think points were missed.

Who said anything about them being black?

 

[turnbuckle]

But it's not ripping into... it's reinforcing it despite the fact the "Allen is in on it."

It lacks tact.

It's like saying every animal is beautiful and worthy of life and all you show is a montage of cats and dogs.

that would be perfectly satirical. actually I laughed at the thought, thank you.

 

[Jarmel]

Who said anything about them being black?

Youtube comment. Also you complaining about them looking like supermodels is a ridiculous complaint as the whole purpose of the video is to hyperexaggerate what pop videos are now while calling them bitches at the same time.

 

[stktt]

Who said anything about them being black?

Wait for it - the Youtube comments section.

 

[UltimaPooh]

that would be perfectly satirical. actually I laughed at the thought, thank you.

Haha! It would be but if it were a serious video it would be missing it's own point entirely.

Youtube comment. Also you complaining about them looking like supermodels is a ridiculous complaint as the whole purpose of the video is to hyperexaggerate what pop videos are now while calling them bitches at the same time.

I think they look beautiful. My point is that they fit a certain stereotype that Lill Allen's song is supposed to go against and then her video has those exact tropes in it.

I understand that the video is making fun of other hypersexual pop videos but that goes against her message.

EDIT: Haha oh wow at that youtube comment. Google fix youtube!

 

[besada]

Like the song, but love that Lily is back.

 

[I Stalk Alone]

Complain about having to adhere to super model standards.

have super model like dancers in your video.

Seems on point.

"and if you can't detect the sarcasm, you've misunderstood."


I don't think it is a satirical piece sarcasm is where the video is grounded and rightly so.

 

[UltimaPooh]

"and if you can't detect the sarcasm, you've misunderstood."

That's about a specific point the song when she is being sarcastic about what kind of woman you should be (it could also apply to men.) Not the video.

 

[BertramCooper]

I think they look beautiful. My point is that they fit a certain stereotype that Lill Allen's song is supposed to go against and then her video has those exact tropes in it.

I understand that the video is making fun of other hypersexual pop videos but that goes against her message.

You are being unbelievably obtuse.

It's like you expect her to satirize hypersexual pop music videos without recreating any elements of them.

 

[Buckethead]

Theon's sister has a point.

 

[UltimaPooh]

You are being unbelievably obtuse.

It's like you expect her to satirize hypersexual pop music videos without recreating any elements of them.

She doesn't have to have a video about hypersexual pop videos... since her song is about something completely different. Her song is about stereotypical gender roles before it's anything about pop music.

 

[akira28]

Comments on out appearances rather than who she is as a person, which is the point of the song.

If Allen's intent was to take her song and make a satire of it... then she did that wonderfully.

*shrug* I adore Lily as a person..or would, if I could get within arms reach, etc. I genuinely like her as an artist, plus I have always loved her 'look'. Her 'casual cute' look has always made her seem sexier to me. But then she shows off those hips, and she doesn't do it often, so I said something.

 

[outunderthestars]

I think they look beautiful. My point is that they fit a certain stereotype that Lill Allen's song is supposed to go against and then her video has those exact tropes in it.

I understand that the video is making fun of other hypersexual pop videos but that goes against her message.

This is how I feel as well. Wouldn't a biting satire have had those dancers purging, doing coke, or having numerous surgeries to show the vicious underbelly of the pop industry? I've seen better "indictments of pop culture" in Dove soap commercials.

 

[Jarmel]

This is how I feel as well. Wouldn't a biting satire have had those dancers purging, doing coke, or having numerous surgeries to show the vicious underbelly of the pop industry? I've seen better "indictments of pop culture" in Dove soap commercials.

That would be a parody moreso than a satire.

 

[UltimaPooh]

This is how I feel as well. Wouldn't a biting satire have had those dancers purging, doing coke, or having numerous surgeries to show the vicious underbelly of the pop industry? I've seen better "indictments of pop culture" in Dove soap commercials.

Exactly...

And I'm not even hating on Lilly Allen the song is decent and makes its points but the video just undoes it.

It's okay to not like what the video tries to do people!

That would be a parody moreso than a satire.

it would be a satire because it criticizes it. Parody would just be an exaggeration or something similar as they typically are.

 

[ctothej]

Nope. I got it.



It's clear that others didn't get it... and that's what makes Allen's message messy when she adds those women in.

Whopty fucking do she reveals her Vagina is baggy but then she has ridiculously good women dancing behind her in sexualized outfits in sexualized ways.

It just ends up reinforcing everything.

The song is catchy and it's good but the video destroys any goodwill the song was trying to bring forth.

It's not like... actually sexual though. It's so over the top that you can't really take it as anything but satire.

 

[Einhander]

Hey, it's a really catchy song, satire aside. Her singing sounds cute.

 

[UltimaPooh]

It's not like... actually sexual though. It's so over the top that you can't really take it as anything but satire.

Don't know how anyone could get past the twerking in this video.

Not to mention the nice pussy slap at the end.

 

[akira28]

Pooh, I got the message loud and clear and didn't detect any issues with it. So maybe others will see it the same way.

 

[Jarmel]

it would be a satire because it criticizes it. Parody would just be an exaggeration or something similar as they typically are.

Both parodies and satires can be critical. Parodies are usually done for comedic effect, which is what you are proposing.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Both parodies and satires can be critical. Parodies are usually done for comedic effect, which is what you are proposing.

Satires are humorous as well.

 

[Dany]

Satires are humorous as well.

What are you even arguing for now?

 

[outunderthestars]

That would be a parody moreso than a satire.

How is simply putting sexualized dancers on stage satire? They don't anything with them. They don't take them out of context, exaggerate, or juxtapose them against anything.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Pooh, I got the message loud and clear and didn't detect any issues with it. So maybe others will see it the same way.

It's fine if you enjoyed the video!

I didn't and everyone jumped on me and claimed I didn't know what I was talking about.

What are you even arguing for now?

Just letting Jarmel know that satires can be humorous.

 

[cutmeamango]

Explain it more and point shit out to me Lily, unlike you I don't have a brain!

 

[outunderthestars]

Hey, it's a really catchy song, satire aside. Her singing sounds cute.

I like her music. I just think this song and video are terrible. That said, I am excited to hear the rest of her new record.

 

[Jarmel]

How is simply putting sexualized dancers on stage satire? They don't anything with them. They don't take them out of context, exaggerate, or juxtapose them against anything.

She has them licking bottles, spraying champagne over themselves, twerking in slow motion, slapping their asses, calling them bitches, and showing off their vaginas. The only way she could exaggerate more is if she had them giving blowjobs on stage.

 

[deejay8595]

No gifs yet?...I'm surprised!!!

 

[Crayons]

How is simply putting sexualized dancers on stage satire? They don't anything with them. They don't take them out of context, exaggerate, or juxtapose them against anything.

Are you high?
http://i.imgur.com/K5QJ17I.gif

 

[GQman2121]

I suppose I don't pay close enough attention to Thicke or Cyrus to catch the parodies in this video. The lyrics more than get the message across. Is the author of the article just fishing for catchy headline or what?

 

[UltimaPooh]

She has them licking bottles, spraying champagne over themselves, twerking in slow motion, slapping their asses, calling them bitches, and showing off their vaginas. The only way she could exaggerate more is if she had them giving blowjobs on stage.

Again what makes the video a satire in comparison to another pop video?
http://youtu.be/LrUvu1mlWco

EDIT: Ironically Miley's video is less sexual.

 

[Jarmel]

Just letting Jarmel know that satires can be humorous.

Read this, as this is a pretty good breakdown of the difference between parody and satire.

http://scepticalprophet.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/the-difference-between-satire-and-parody/

Yes satires can be funny but their goal isn't so much the comedic value in of itself.

 

[wenis]

It's a cool song, though I get the feeling people aren't actually gonna listen to the lyrics.

It's a pop song. Unless the visuals accompanying the music are offensive then no one will ever take a second look at it. They'll just consume the tunes without anything else involved.

 

[trixx]

Just read more about this girl apparently she posted blackface of husbands wang on twitter in a response to Azealia Banks. Lol

I don't even know what to think now

 

[UltimaPooh]

Read this, as this is a pretty good breakdown of the difference between parody and satire.

http://scepticalprophet.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/the-difference-between-satire-and-parody/

Yes satires can be funny but their goal isn't so much the comedic value in of itself.

From the page you posted:

Notice I’ve mentioned similarity and imitation. Here’s another key difference, one that’s far easier to remember for you guys to keep in mind. A parody will mimic something blatantly. The characters and plot will be very similar (if not exactly the same). If you’ve seen the underlying text, there’s no way you’d not realise it’s a parody. Even if you haven’t most of the time things are so overblown that you’d realise it was a parody anyway. Satires don’t mimic things; at least not blatantly. They copy scenarios and concepts but replace everything so that only the underlying skeleton remains. Take Animal Farm for example. You’d never be able to tell a bunch of talking animals who want things on the farm to be more fair to everyone were actually representative of communist society. At least not unless you read very deeply into it.

You just proved that the video is a parody and not a satire, which I agreed it was much earlier on.