And if you can't detect the sarcasm
You've misunderstood
These were literally in the lyrics guys.
And if you can't detect the sarcasm
You've misunderstood
Taking this discussion personal or something? I clearly know what satire is.
So it's satire to point out that you don't have to fit a stereotypical beauty standard and then have that exact same standard all over your video? I guess it is satire on the content of the music itself. There you have a point.
The point of the song is in direct competition of what happens in the video. It makes her message messy... I mean look at the rest of the thread:
Comments on out appearances rather than who she is as a person, which is the point of the song.
If Allen's intent was to take her song and make a satire of it... then she did that wonderfully.
Which, with the proper satirical bent is quite funny.
Look up satire and come back to this thread.
I think you're confusing satire with parody.
But I would argue that the satire falls flat. it just isn't very clever, and lacks any wit or insight.
The song is really tame and one dimensional, especially in comparison to her earlier work, which actually contained biting satirical indictments of pop culture.
Satire isn't the same thing as parody. She even says if you don't see that this is sarcasm then you didn't get the point.Taking this discussion personal or something? I clearly know what satire is.
So it's satire to point out that you don't have to fit a stereotypical beauty standard and then have that exact same standard all over your video? I guess it is satire on the content of the music itself. There you have a point.
The point of the song is in direct competition of what happens in the video. It makes her message messy... I mean look at the rest of the thread:
Comments on out appearances rather than who she is as a person, which is the point of the song.
If Allen's intent was to take her song and make a satire of it... then she did that wonderfully.
I stealth edited my post.The autotune is ironic....
Yeah, this.Just because it's ironic doesn't make it good. It might have been a fun song to listen to on a regular basis otherwise.
It's clever enough that people aren't picking it up.
Satire isn't the same thing as parody. She even says if you don't see that this is sarcasm then you didn't get the point.
Helen Keller could see the point she is trying to make. I just think that she failed, rather miserably with both the song and the video.
Helen Keller could see the point she is trying to make. I just think that she failed, rather miserably with both the song and the video.
Well when people are complaining as to why black women are in the videos, I think points were missed.
But it's not ripping into... it's reinforcing it despite the fact the "Allen is in on it."
It lacks tact.
It's like saying every animal is beautiful and worthy of life and all you show is a montage of cats and dogs.
Who said anything about them being black?
Who said anything about them being black?
that would be perfectly satirical. actually I laughed at the thought, thank you.
Youtube comment. Also you complaining about them looking like supermodels is a ridiculous complaint as the whole purpose of the video is to hyperexaggerate what pop videos are now while calling them bitches at the same time.
Complain about having to adhere to super model standards.
have super model like dancers in your video.
Seems on point.
"and if you can't detect the sarcasm, you've misunderstood."
I think they look beautiful. My point is that they fit a certain stereotype that Lill Allen's song is supposed to go against and then her video has those exact tropes in it.
I understand that the video is making fun of other hypersexual pop videos but that goes against her message.
You are being unbelievably obtuse.
It's like you expect her to satirize hypersexual pop music videos without recreating any elements of them.
Comments on out appearances rather than who she is as a person, which is the point of the song.
If Allen's intent was to take her song and make a satire of it... then she did that wonderfully.
I think they look beautiful. My point is that they fit a certain stereotype that Lill Allen's song is supposed to go against and then her video has those exact tropes in it.
I understand that the video is making fun of other hypersexual pop videos but that goes against her message.
This is how I feel as well. Wouldn't a biting satire have had those dancers purging, doing coke, or having numerous surgeries to show the vicious underbelly of the pop industry? I've seen better "indictments of pop culture" in Dove soap commercials.
This is how I feel as well. Wouldn't a biting satire have had those dancers purging, doing coke, or having numerous surgeries to show the vicious underbelly of the pop industry? I've seen better "indictments of pop culture" in Dove soap commercials.
That would be a parody moreso than a satire.
Nope. I got it.
It's clear that others didn't get it... and that's what makes Allen's message messy when she adds those women in.
Whopty fucking do she reveals her Vagina is baggy but then she has ridiculously good women dancing behind her in sexualized outfits in sexualized ways.
It just ends up reinforcing everything.
The song is catchy and it's good but the video destroys any goodwill the song was trying to bring forth.
It's not like... actually sexual though. It's so over the top that you can't really take it as anything but satire.
it would be a satire because it criticizes it. Parody would just be an exaggeration or something similar as they typically are.
Both parodies and satires can be critical. Parodies are usually done for comedic effect, which is what you are proposing.
Satires are humorous as well.
That would be a parody moreso than a satire.
Pooh, I got the message loud and clear and didn't detect any issues with it. So maybe others will see it the same way.
What are you even arguing for now?
Hey, it's a really catchy song, satire aside. Her singing sounds cute.
How is simply putting sexualized dancers on stage satire? They don't anything with them. They don't take them out of context, exaggerate, or juxtapose them against anything.
Are you high?How is simply putting sexualized dancers on stage satire? They don't anything with them. They don't take them out of context, exaggerate, or juxtapose them against anything.
She has them licking bottles, spraying champagne over themselves, twerking in slow motion, slapping their asses, calling them bitches, and showing off their vaginas. The only way she could exaggerate more is if she had them giving blowjobs on stage.
Just letting Jarmel know that satires can be humorous.
It's a pop song. Unless the visuals accompanying the music are offensive then no one will ever take a second look at it. They'll just consume the tunes without anything else involved.It's a cool song, though I get the feeling people aren't actually gonna listen to the lyrics.
Read this, as this is a pretty good breakdown of the difference between parody and satire.
http://scepticalprophet.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/the-difference-between-satire-and-parody/
Yes satires can be funny but their goal isn't so much the comedic value in of itself.
Notice Ive mentioned similarity and imitation. Heres another key difference, one thats far easier to remember for you guys to keep in mind. A parody will mimic something blatantly. The characters and plot will be very similar (if not exactly the same). If youve seen the underlying text, theres no way youd not realise its a parody. Even if you havent most of the time things are so overblown that youd realise it was a parody anyway. Satires dont mimic things; at least not blatantly. They copy scenarios and concepts but replace everything so that only the underlying skeleton remains. Take Animal Farm for example. Youd never be able to tell a bunch of talking animals who want things on the farm to be more fair to everyone were actually representative of communist society. At least not unless you read very deeply into it.