Rafa=FedKilla
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They need to start dressing up eyebrow girl in more outfits and having her play super-spy to get the ratings up. This show can't fail because Whedon's cronies will scatter to more corners of the Marvel U like cockroaches.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)
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Father_Brain
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That's steeper than the drops for the past few episodes, isn't it? Yikes.
I think that's a fairly accurate assessment. But that's what happens when a show is conceived primarily by executive fiat and some semblance of an actual creative vision is only grafted on after the show is cast and the first few scripts are already in the can... at least, that's what it feels like.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The show keeps dropping? Wow.
BlackNMild2k1
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People keep thinking this is a Superhero show, which it isn't, and that is why a lot of people are initially disappointed.
Now that this show has finally reached a point where things are working, I think it's time they shift focus to an overall story arch, a focus on a big bad that raises the stakes, and have the majority of the remaining episodes move us towards that end point, preferrably as quickly as possible.
To put it another way, now that this show has finally found it's way on to the freeway, it needs to stop coasting in the slow lane. It's time to shift gears, set our destination and get there as quickly as we can.
Now that this show has finally reached a point where things are working, I think it's time they shift focus to an overall story arch, a focus on a big bad that raises the stakes, and have the majority of the remaining episodes move us towards that end point, preferrably as quickly as possible.
To put it another way, now that this show has finally found it's way on to the freeway, it needs to stop coasting in the slow lane. It's time to shift gears, set our destination and get there as quickly as we can.
I liked the week prior, but found this week terribly boring.
I predict that we'll have a cast shakeup before the end of the season, and lose at least one person (guessing either May or Ward, although if the world was just they'd jettison Skye, who's a blackhole of terribleness).
ABC has to be starting to panic, right?
I predict that we'll have a cast shakeup before the end of the season, and lose at least one person (guessing either May or Ward, although if the world was just they'd jettison Skye, who's a blackhole of terribleness).
ABC has to be starting to panic, right?
I don't think it's an accident that we have 2 Asian actors on the show given the popularity of the films in China and elsewhere in Asia. Ward's definitely the expendable one.
That ratings drop is pretty ominous, especially coming after the excellent episode last week.
This episode was decent, but also a bit of a step down from last week. I think there have been too many plots about some piece of alien equipment falling into the hands of random bad-guys. They need more real villains on this show. The episode with scorch and the woman in the flower dress wasn't perfect, but I think it benefited from having bad guys with a little bit of personality.
This episode was decent, but also a bit of a step down from last week. I think there have been too many plots about some piece of alien equipment falling into the hands of random bad-guys. They need more real villains on this show. The episode with scorch and the woman in the flower dress wasn't perfect, but I think it benefited from having bad guys with a little bit of personality.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Show needs Amy Acker brah.
I agree with the other poster that the show needs villains, instead of "its the system."
Father_Brain
Banned
Yes, exactly. Bring the team into direct conflict with whatever Centipede is, give them an actual face, and make that the overarching theme for the remaining procedural plots. Also, either tie the Coulson/Skye subplots into Centipede (so as to establish actual stakes for those storylines beyond their respective characters) or resolve them sooner rather than later. Or both.
fallengorn
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That's the most infuriating thing for me. With all their autonomy and free of red-tape, they just coast around taking these self-contained cases when they've uncovered an ongoing plot to exploit Extremis/create superpowered people. I don't even think there's a throwaway line to say SHIELD is going to follow up. (Which would work nicely leading up to the Hub., where they discover they can't rely on the system.)
I believe so, and first time it dipped under 7 million.
At this point I think it'd be best if the show goes on a hiatus and gets reworked a bit. Make it darker in tone and more serialized, maybe shake up the cast a little bit, hype up the return with something like "the mystery of Coulson will be revealed!" and hope that viewers tune in again.
phazedplasma
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They should have just modeled the show off of Strike Back.
That show has an amazing format. Some episodes are one offs, some are 2 parters, but there is always an overarching story that is developed very well, with very real villains.
That show has an amazing format. Some episodes are one offs, some are 2 parters, but there is always an overarching story that is developed very well, with very real villains.
They should pay the actors of the movies some money and make some crazy cameos. I would die, if Robert Downey Jr. jumps in for a scene or if Captain America fights alongside Ward.
Funky Papa
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It's kind of ridiculous how Cinemax (Cinemax!) got everybody beat at action narrative. You could take the tits and the blood splatters out of Strike Back and it would still be a lot more consistent and enjoyable than Agents of SHIELD. People may scoff at Strike Back's plot, but it's an incredibly well crafted show.
That said, Agents is starting to pick up and may end leading to something great ala Dollhouse.
Bobby Roberts
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My recap is up at the Merc.
Seriously, that sandwich murder was cold blooded. And honestly - if the sandwich is in your stomach as opposed to OUT IN THE OPEN just rotting, wouldn't it be harder for the dogs to find it?
Seriously, that sandwich murder was cold blooded. And honestly - if the sandwich is in your stomach as opposed to OUT IN THE OPEN just rotting, wouldn't it be harder for the dogs to find it?
RottenTanuki
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"The Hub" actually was not cringe worthy. Some hope for this series.
Rodney McKay
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I know it's still early in the series, but how are the two science nerds not going at each other like jackrabbits by now? They've trained together for ages, they work with each other every day, make sandwiches for each other, and they both worried for and saved the life of each other TWO EPISODES IN A ROW.
A Jim/Pam situation in The Office worked because Pam was engaged to someone else which caused them not to be together. The romance situation on Castle worked because they had a combative relationship for a while. The Chuck/Sarah situation on Chuck worked because thy threw in roadblocks every season or so.
What's the block in this show? Them being super nerds (awkward, virgins, clueless, etc.)? SHIELD not allowing office romances? Are they related??? D:
A Jim/Pam situation in The Office worked because Pam was engaged to someone else which caused them not to be together. The romance situation on Castle worked because they had a combative relationship for a while. The Chuck/Sarah situation on Chuck worked because thy threw in roadblocks every season or so.
What's the block in this show? Them being super nerds (awkward, virgins, clueless, etc.)? SHIELD not allowing office romances? Are they related??? D:
Jest Chillin
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Hesitation on ruining the friendship and lack of confidence in taking a step towards romance.
BlackNMild2k1
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Yeah, but if they opened it, it would really let the scent out. At least by tossing it and moving out, by the time the dogs pick up on it, it will show where they were, and not where they went.
Then again, the dogs showed up moments later and didn't pick up on it, so he could have just held onto the the unopened sandwich and saved it for later.
But really it was a moment of field training for the rookie. The sandwich had to go.
It was time for Fitz to start learning how to be a real SHIELD Agent.
If the show does a good job leading into Captain America: The Winter Solder and Avengers: Age of Ultron and ties up all the loose ends, I'm fine with it lasting only one season.
I would like to see Coulson's SHIELD crew make a cameo appearance in the Netflix shows.
I would like to see Coulson's SHIELD crew make a cameo appearance in the Netflix shows.
I don't what I'm doing in this thread. I don'rt want to say anything bad, but I really don't have anything else good to say about this show.
Hype has dried out, now I'm just waiting for something to happen. They need to really advance this story to keep my interest, I think, no more "ooohh, there is a secret about Coulson, what secret it is?"
It is Lost all over again, as in, no matter what the answer will be, it will be worse than the worse fan-made insane theory. Seriously TV shows, as a whole, I'm talking to all of you, drop the mysteries, drop the questions without answers, the answers are never as good or as exciting.
Dangling this carrott in front of Coulson is infinetly less fun than screaming "YOU ARE A ROBOT" and watching him freak out. It just feels like you are just procrastinating character development.
Hype has dried out, now I'm just waiting for something to happen. They need to really advance this story to keep my interest, I think, no more "ooohh, there is a secret about Coulson, what secret it is?"
It is Lost all over again, as in, no matter what the answer will be, it will be worse than the worse fan-made insane theory. Seriously TV shows, as a whole, I'm talking to all of you, drop the mysteries, drop the questions without answers, the answers are never as good or as exciting.
Dangling this carrott in front of Coulson is infinetly less fun than screaming "YOU ARE A ROBOT" and watching him freak out. It just feels like you are just procrastinating character development.
I dunno why people keep saying this. SHIELD is likely several decades old and superheroes have only been around like what, six years? They must have been doing something before Iron Man existed.
Jest Chillin
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If it comes to it, just shift SHIELD to Netflix entirely. But despite the ratings dropping I don't think it's doomed just yet. There's still a lot of time to change the tide.
fallengorn
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I don't think that'll be the case, (it's not really that hard to top LMD... which isn't even that satisfying.) but at least Lost was interesting.
Well, technically Cap predates SHIELD. But yeah, it' a terrible perception.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I thought they had a brother/sister/platonic relationship instead of a romantic one.
Surely it will be having a mid-season finale around the halfway point? It got the back order of 9 or 10 extra episodes, so if a shake-up is going to happen it will happen in those.
They should just change show runners. They did Joss a favor by letting him hand off some work to his siblings. It's not working, so give someone else a shot.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
What do they expect launching a franchise mostly known to deal with superpowers that barely touches on the subject? Pathetic really. Could have been a less serious version of heroes season 1.
Here in lies the problem. The audience doesn't care for a world without superheroes and the numbers show it.
BlackNMild2k1
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They do, but Fitz just realized that Simmons has breast just like Skye, only Simmons may actually let him touch them.
Funky Papa
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Best consolation prize ever.
Jest Chillin
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I wouldn't say they did him a favor. Based on the success of The Avengers they offered him a job where he can make those kinds of choices on his own.
In any case, these episodes are likely already in the can. They were filmed and done awhile ago, so to expect a major shift from week to week airing isn't realistic at all. It's not going to happen. As it was suggested a few posts before this, the most likely point for there to be a major change would be at the point where the additional episode orders start to air.
If they were to change Showrunners, it would probably be after the first season was done anyways, unless the Showrunners were having major issues with the Studio, which doesn't appear to have been happening.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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#truthfacts
aHebrewMenagerie
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People have told me I look like Fitz. Do you think i could sneak in one episode and get some of that Simmons action?
I really don't think they'd cancel it after one season unless it absolutely totally flatlines (I'm talking like a 1.0 or so).
If it doesn't stabilize soon, I think it'll get a second season order, but only for 13 to see if they can retool it and get some improvement. If it still goes down, it'll get the axe then.
If it doesn't stabilize soon, I think it'll get a second season order, but only for 13 to see if they can retool it and get some improvement. If it still goes down, it'll get the axe then.
Miles Quaritch
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Aren't they running the risk of burning people out on the MCU?
Agents of Shield, near quarterly Marvel movie and now there's 4 more shows coming thanks to Netflix. I fear they are going to burn people out on the MCU by the time Avengers 2 rolls around...
Funky Papa
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Thor 2 is doing very, very well, and Caps is set to crush its previous box office. I don't think Disney should be worried about people getting bored of the MCU just yet, but it should be worried about Agents of SHIELD ruining the MCU's chances in the TV space.
aHebrewMenagerie
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I feel like people were expecting SHIELD to be basically The Avengers: The TV Show. And since it's a tv show, it has less production qualities than people were expecting. The next episode looks cool, I still need to go see Thor 2, though.
fallengorn
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Part of the reason why I think the Netflix deal is a smart move. If they added additional network shows or movies, I think we'd feel over-saturated. Spreading it out onto different platforms keeps it from feeling like we're wading in Marvel stuff.
BattleMonkey
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When it came out, it was all everyone I knew talked about, so much hype. Every week, nothing but meh reactions after every episode and most folks I know have dropped it. My GF won't watch it anymore with me either. I don't know anyone who actually likes it, and the 2 others who still do are just because "it's a marvel show" and they hope something cool comes from it.
I was expecting AGENTS and Shield to be doing cool stuff, not a bunch of bad acting and awkward dialogue set 80% of the time on an airplane.
Rodney McKay
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Only after 2-3 more seasons of teasing and will-they-won't-they. I'm sure one of them will get straight up murdered either right before or right after that happens.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, I really enjoyed Thor 2 and I'm really looking forward to Winter Soldier too. You are right that Agents is perhaps ruining their chances to expand the MCU by having such a poor headline show...
I did expect this at first, but then I quickly readjusted by expectations and I'm still disappointed. The show just isn't doing anything for me. I know it is for others, a few friends love it and won't stop raving about it, but it's really depressing me how poor the execution has been so far. Not only that, it's pretty much ruined Coulsen for me...
This is actually a very good point and one I hadn't considered. I'm looking forward to the netflix shows as they've been a roll with their original content, I just hope they are able to do the shows are better than what we've gotten so far with Agents.
One show I really hope becomes reality is the one following Peggy Carter, but then my love for Hayley Atwell may be clouding my judgement...
Father_Brain
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I can't see the Agent Carter show happening, largely because it would literally just be a period version of SHIELD. Potentially with a stronger protagonist than Coulson, yes, but that's not really enough to justify having two Marvel spy shows on the air. Or, if SHIELD isn't on the air at that point, then Marvel/ABC would probably want to distance their other live-action series as far from it as possible.
If anything it just shows people aren't going to accept shit just because it's got Marvel's name on it. Hopefully it encourages them to raise their standards for the Netflix series.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
But boobies brah.
Sho_Nuff82
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Is it bad that I've only just seen the first two episodes of Arrow and I already like it more than all of AoS? Not that it's the comparison that most readily comes to mind. Every time I see the characters interacting on the ship, I think "this isn't nearly as funny or compelling as the average library visit by the Scooby gang in Buffy". And that's really what the show had to nail if it wasn't going to use the extended MU to throw C and D list villains at us, along with creative solutions on how a normal agent would deal with those kinds of threats. You can only watch Bourne er Ward crush hapless mooks and Skye hack into something she's not supposed to hack without getting arrested so many times.
I mean, aside from Victoria Hand showing up and smirking a lot, what was "Marvel" about last night's episode? The show can't even decide if Shield is the NSA with a bunch of stuffy bureaucrats or the actual good guys.
I mean, aside from Victoria Hand showing up and smirking a lot, what was "Marvel" about last night's episode? The show can't even decide if Shield is the NSA with a bunch of stuffy bureaucrats or the actual good guys.
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