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[MrCookiepants]

Yes. Microsoft forgot what made them successful early last generation. They provided the most affordable platform on which to play the best games.

Nobody cares about Kinect and nobody cares about media features. Their launch lineup is slightly better than the PS4's, but it's not enough to beat Sony's goodwill from last generation and the price difference.

 

[Shinta]

Saying they have a focus on games and looking at how they turned up with only KZ and knack doesn't feel like they jive together.

This perception feels like its exists simply because of marketing and how they handled their presentations.

No, it's more than that. It's because of the history of supporting PS3 very well with exclusives. It is known that Sony will put out games for PS4, even if it's super late into the console life cycle.

Look at what PS3 got this year. That's basically the best thing they can do to convince people that PS4 is about games. That and PS+.

PS4's launch is rough games wise. But launch is kind of the least important part. Sony plays the long game with their first party software more than the other two platform creators.

MS in contrast has been MIA for the last 3 years of E3, showing off Kinectimals and ESPN. They have a whole hell of a lot more to prove. They've been coasting on nothing but Gears, Forza and Halo for a long time now. And as far as I can tell, Gears is done.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Titanfall?

Titanfall isn't a launch title?

 

[thuway]

• There are only two more exclusive titles on the Xbone.
• Xbone doesn't have indie support at launch.
• Sony Worldwide Studios has a much larger stable of quality studios than Microsoft Studios does.
• The biggest of the "exclusives" is the result of moneyhats anyway.
• And other than that, they are playing the exact same third-party titles.

So, no. Microsoft may have the games available for the Xbone, but the approach was completely different from Sony, and that makes all the difference. As someone else had posted, this is a marathon, not a sprint. Microsoft made a console that is made for a metaphorical sprint, while the PS4 has longevity and future support on its side.

That being said, it makes no sense to try to declare Microsoft as a winner on the games front. The console isn't out yet, and the games for it have not been played...

So much Fucking this. Microsoft money hatted the shit out of those games. I truly wonder how Dead Rising 3 AND Titanfall would have fared on PS4 visually.

 

[Skeff]

Xbox One hasn't even gone on sale yet. As for focusing on games, I'd say the Xbox One did that infinitely better than the PS4 so far. And managed to excel in the UI/OS and multimedia aspects. Where it fails is price.

Of course, except for the 8gb DDR3 chosen in 2010 before 8gb GDDR5 was available, which of course resulted in low bandwidth which of course resulted in esram for a crutch, which of course lead to less APU real estate available which of course led to a cut down GPU not fit for a 10 year lifecycle.

But don't let that get in your way.

 

[Maximus.]

I am disappointed at the lack of first party games at launch or within the launch window. It is typical for Sony, but it still sucks that it is the case yet again. Regardless, it hasnt stopped me from getting the console at launch.

 

[Tratorn]

In quantity XB1 may have more retail exclusives for launch, but the people don't buy systems just for launch-games. Many people just buy 1 console and not 2-3, so they'll decide which has the most potential. And this is imo the PS4.
Also the multiplats (the most important thing, because these are 95% of all games) will probably be better on PS4 (or at least on the same level).
That's why the "games first" statement for ps4 is true, since MS sacrificed some raw power to get kinect in the box, while Sony has the more powerful console even with a cheaper pricepoint.
Even the tools show this. MS is ahead in media capabilities with their OS, but their tools for game-developers seem to be worse than Sonys. They had other priorities.

 

[Chuck Norris]

I can't speak for Xbone's UI yet, but having used PS4 for a weekend now, Microsoft clearly has an edge in the design and user experience department.

Laser frame outlines. Blue gradients. Drop shadowed text. New age ambient sounds... Sometimes when going through the PS4's menus I feel I've warped 10 years to the past using Squaresoft's shitty PlayOnline service.

Xbone's menus are sleek and modern in comparison.

There are definitely aesthetic problems. It all stems from the royal blue, azure blue colour design. I'm guessing Japan doesn't have an inherent dislike for this colour scheme in UI design that we all have in the West - which probably stems from it being reminiscent of a debug screen or BSOD.

 

[PuppetMaster]

MS set out to basically make a 360 but with larger profit potential and wider casual audience potential. Period. Pushing games further was very low on thier list. Thus explaining xbones weak but "adeqate" HW specs.

Sony set out with 2 goals, make it cheap, and attract the core gamer. They know the core gamer demographic is the ONLY reason PS3 managed to survive this gen. And they are wisely romancing the same demo with PS4

 

[Rlan]

If anything, it seems to have at least sold over the Indie developers out there.

With Phil Fish, Jonathan Blow, Team Meat and 17-Bit and the like recently being rather out loud about the lousy support they were given about indie development with Microsoft with late-game XBLA titles and their exclusitivity agreements and costs, along with the initial Xbox One philosophy,

It completely changed the tone towards Microsoft to the point where other developers are actually saying "no" to Xbone development even without a real exclusitivity agreement (from what I know). I mean there's no actual power reason why Rouge Legacy, Nuclear Throne etc are PS4 only, and it doesn't sound like any money is exchanging hands.

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

So much Fucking this. Microsoft money hatted the shit out of those games. I truly wonder how Dead Rising 3 AND Titanfall would have fared on PS4 visually.

Didn't they basically save Dead Rising 3 from being canned though? If they're funding/publishing it, not sure how that's "money hatting."

 

[Black Mantis]

They're both about games. You're just too immersed in marketing and forum fanboy hype.

This.

 

[EventHorizon]

I don't think Sony even knows what they want out of the PS4.
Wasn't the PlayStation always supposed to be more than just a games console? Hell, the subsidiary is called 'Sony Computer Entertainment'.
The PS2 and PS3 were labeled as 'Computer Entertainment Systems'.

The PS4 seems to be Sony conceding their grand ambition of owning the living room. It's like the Vita, so niche that while enthusiasts might be pleased, it shows that they aren't seeing where the future is headed (not just simple consoles).

Despite supposedly being the weaker of the two consoles, it's looking as if the Xbox One seems to be the more fully thought out and significantly more ambitious design.

The key difference between Sony's PS4 and Microsoft's XB1 is that Sony added multimedia features in addition to games while Microsoft added multimedia features to the detriment of games. The results of those two differing philosophies is that the XB1 costs $100 more with less capable hardware.

The flaw in Microsoft's logic is that the XB1 ends up offering mass market appeal at an enthusiast's price. While the multimedia features are nice, the gaming features are what consumers use to justify the cost. Nobody would buy a Roku, Apple TV or Google TV box for $500. Yet that is where Microsoft has been competing. Microsoft is stuck trying to promote features like fantasy football to sell the XB1 when similar capabilities can be had as a free Android or iOS app, or in any web browser. The insanity in this case is that MS has to downplay the benefits of a second screen device for fantasy football, but promote it for their smart glass features.

On the other hand Sony made a gaming console first. They then supported that hardware with any additional features that make sense. In Sony's case the multimedia features are an added bonus since the console can stand by itself as a gaming system. Sony doesn't have to try to oversell its other features to make its price seem palatable.

In the end all of those multimedia features you say will benefit Microsoft can be done better on a second screen device that communicates back to the console. After all why take up valuable screen space with poor navigation when the same feature can be done on the more portable, personable, and navigatable second screen. For example if you are watching TV with your family and a friend decides to Skype you, where is the better place to take that call? On the TV and annoy everyone else, or on a tablet/phone which you can take into another room?

 

[Satchel]

Well the Xbox has more exclusives at launch and arguably the better launch library as well as the better OS and media features.

Soooooo no?

 

[illustri0us]

Right now, it's the Xbox's focus on the Kinect that is the difference.

Yup

 

[Monty Mole]

Microsoft simply forgot who the early adopter audience was during their messaging: the hardcore gamer. XB1's added functionality may win through as the console comes down in price in the coming years, but not at launch which is where you really want to be targeting the gamers who buy these things day one. The first reveal was shockingly poor, talking 99% TV to an audience that had tuned in eager to see next-generation games.

It's obvious looking at their added investment in first party that this understanding wasn't lost elsewhere, but the marketing front-end clearly didn't have a clue.

As a result, we have a console which actually has more exclusive games at launch than the other console, but an entire perception that it's completely the opposite way around. And MS has only themselves to blame.

 

[gofreak]

I disagree with the foundation of the OP. While Sony marketing does indeed make PR hay while the sun shines around all this, the 'focus' isn't simply PR deep.

There are a number of underlying truths about each company's 'focus' : Xbox One is a competitively less performant machine for games because of strategic decisions taken by MS to focus on other things. The games lineup in the pipeline is significantly smaller overall because of a lack of focus on modern developer support and outreach.

Not to mention earlier consumer-centric policy differences. Those aren't skin deep things - I think they're solid evidence that one was, more or less, listening to what gamers wanted out of a next-gen system and one was, more or less, not.

 

[Derekloffin]

Xbox One hasn't been released yet. To even take an educated guess as to whether they took the right route or the wrong route, we'll have to see how this competition at least starts. I must admit my Sony favoritism makes me quite optimistic right now that they chose the right path, but the more conservative elements in me say to at least wait for the competition's launch numbers. If we see XB1's sitting idle on shelves while PS4 continues to sell out, then I would conclude Sony made the right, and MS the wrong, choices.

 

[derfybzh]

There is less games that I will buy for launch on PS4 so no ...

 

[Gormless Noodle]

Like others have stated, this isn't a sprint, but a marathon.

PS4 may not have the best launch titles, but we know what's coming soon. We know what to expect in the future. Their studios have been pumping out great exclusive games non-stop on the PS3 over the past few years. Japanese support will be there for the PS4 and since MS doesn't matter in Japan, a lot of those games will likely be exclusive by default as is the case on the PS3. We know Sony has the balls to take risks, with games like Puppeteer, Rain, Flower, Journey etc.

What does MS have to counter this in the long run? Buying timed exclusives from EA? Buying timed exclusive DLC? I think the Xbone's launch line-up is more interesting, don't get me wrong. But I'm not seeing a future where they keep releasing exclusives worth owning. I liked Halo 3, Gears of War and car enthusiasts will like Forza, but what else is there? They don't make investments into their first party studios, they just buy things when the need arises. And when there is no need, like in the last few years of the 360, they won't bother.

This I think, is the larger picture of being gaming focused.

 

[SMZC]

I still consider the PS4 to be a more gaming centric device, considering that it's cheaper and more powerful. That is a pretty big fucking deal if you don't give a shit about any of the other entertainment features.

Even when/if Microsoft removes Kinect from the box and gains price parity with the PS4, they'll still be selling a weaker system for the same amount of money (assuming that removing Kinect gets them to the $400 price point, which is a safe bet). To put it simply, few people except Xbox loyalists are going to spend the same amount of money for less.

 

[breakfuss]

People are so quick to point out the PS4's superior hardware, as if that by default makes it the most compelling choice for "gamers". With the exception of PS3, hasn't every PlayStation been a step beneath the competition in this regard?

 

[TheKayle]

So much Fucking this. Microsoft money hatted the shit out of those games. I truly wonder how Dead Rising 3 AND Titanfall would have fared on PS4 visually.

as i would know if naughty dog could ever pull out an uncharted from the x360

i dont think this make lots of sense......are just business models

 

[TheKayle]

I disagree with the foundation of the OP. While Sony marketing does indeed make PR hay while the sun shines around all this, the 'focus' isn't simply PR deep.

There are a number of underlying truths about each company's 'focus' : Xbox One is a competitively less performant machine for games because of strategic decisions taken by MS to focus on other things. The games lineup in the pipeline is significantly smaller overall because of a lack of focus on modern developer support and outreach.

Not to mention earlier consumer-centric policy differences. Those aren't skin deep things - I think they're solid evidence that one was, more or less, listening to what gamers wanted out of a next-gen system and one was, more or less, not.

until the 180...

every smart gamer (maybe with some years over his shoulder) should start to admitt that theres nothing to do......only digital will come...after the 180 °down the line, but is here to stay
and theres nothing that could change this

 

[gofreak]

People are so quick to point out the PS4's superior hardware, as if that by default makes it the most compelling choice for "gamers". With the exception of PS3, hasn't every PlayStation been a step beneath the competition in this regard?

Playstations have always been the most powerful consoles upon release, and 'power' has always played a role in their early marketing and mindshare over competitors. Even for PS3, if less successfully than in the case of PS2 or PS1.

People don't value power so much that they'll wait around very long for new machines, if what's being offered today is perceived to be enough of a step up - as PS3, and in particular the N64 and Xbox found - but on machines that are out, 'power' does come into play I think. Certainly for the early adopter.

(And no, power alone does not make a system 'the most compelling choice' - but if other factors are checked off it is one that comes into play)

until the 180...

The '180' only addressed one of the factors mentioned in my post - but regardless, it lingers the impression that one company was listening, one was not, which is why I threw it in at the end of my post.

 

[Anticitizen One]

This level of tone deafness is the reason why people who make things hate consumers because of the total lack of being reasonable. Final silicon on systems like this aren't ready until the last minute. Development tools aren't ready until the last minute. Ambitious AAA type titles usually don't come around until the second Christmas, not the first for those reasons and many others. It also takes a while for developers to figure out what they can do with the new hardware which also takes a year.

Killzone is absolutely a very pretty game, at times very astonishing. Horrendous? lol, the silly hyperbole is thick with this one. Apparently 1 million plus didn't think the PS4 was horrendous and some folks are just going to have to deal with that. MS made major mistakes by not fortifying their base, so to speak.

What your giving me is a bunch of excuses nothing in the ps4 launch lineup stacks up to previous big launch titles including (but not limited to) Super Mario 64, Halo ,SSX, Resistance fall of man, Soul Calibur, rogue squadron2 rogue leader, DOA 3, uncharted golden abyss, etc. etc.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

So much Fucking this. Microsoft money hatted the shit out of those games. I truly wonder how Dead Rising 3 AND Titanfall would have fared on PS4 visually.

Respawn spoke to Sony and MS and MS stepped up with Azure, I think MS also paid for DR3.

 

[EventHorizon]

People are so quick to point out the PS4's superior hardware, as if that by default makes it the most compelling choice for "gamers". With the exception of PS3, hasn't every PlayStation been a step beneath the competition in this regard?

We've got two systems, the XB1 and PS4, coming out at the same time in an environment where 3rd party games are the most dominant force. Of the people that will only buy a single console this fall, it is hard to justify paying $100 more to play a less capable Assassin's Creed, Battlefield or Maden game.

 

[TheKayle]

Playstations have always been the most powerful consoles upon release, and 'power' has always played a role in their early marketing and mindshare over competitors. Even for PS3, if less successfully than in the case of PS2 or PS1.

People don't value power so much that they'll wait around very long for new machines, if what's being offered today is perceived to be enough of a step up - as PS3, and in particular the N64 and Xbox found - but on machines that are out, 'power' does come into play I think. Certainly for the early adopter.



The '180' only addressed one of the factors mentioned in my post - but regardless, it lingers the impression that one company was listening, one was not, which is why I threw it in at the end of my post.

the only think that is pushing the ps4 ahead of ms imho isnt the power differences...but all the DRM drama..that we had...
i think that sony had to say a lots of thnx to ms for this record

but the difference are here...and everyone can see it....the xbox one is really trying to be a 360° machine....

 

[IHaveCandy]

What your giving me is a bunch of excuses nothing in the ps4 launch lineup stacks up to previous big launch titles including (but not limited to) Super Mario 64, Halo ,SSX, Soul Calibur, rogue squadron2 rogue leader, DOA 3, uncharted golden abyss, etc. etc.

That game seems to be BF4 for a lot of people on PS4 from my experience. A lot of people experiencing full sized BF4 games for the first time now. Not an exclusive, but it's making them happy either way.

 

[TheKayle]

Playstations have always been the most powerful consoles upon release, and 'power' has always played a role in their early marketing and mindshare over competitors. Even for PS3, if less successfully than in the case of PS2 or PS1.

People don't value power so much that they'll wait around very long for new machines, if what's being offered today is perceived to be enough of a step up - as PS3, and in particular the N64 and Xbox found - but on machines that are out, 'power' does come into play I think. Certainly for the early adopter.

(And no, power alone does not make a system 'the most compelling choice' - but if other factors are checked off it is one that comes into play)



The '180' only addressed one of the factors mentioned in my post - but regardless, it lingers the impression that one company was listening, one was not, which is why I threw it in at the end of my post.

is true sony hit the balls in the right moment...

or i should say...(seen what i think about the "only digital") sony is hiding the arrive of the only digital...in a better way

 

[IHaveCandy]

the only think that is pushing the ps4 ahead of ms imho isnt the power differences...but all the DRM drama..that we had...
i think that sony had to say a lots of thnx to ms for this record

.

 

[TheKayle]

We've got two systems, the XB1 and PS4, coming out at the same time in an environment where 3rd party games are the most dominant force. Of the people that will only buy a single console this fall, it is hard to justify paying $100 more to play a less capable Assassin's Creed, Battlefield or Maden game.

this fall you will have titanfall and second son...every one will forget about the 720p/1080p differences

and i think that titanfall will sell like hamburgers at mcdonalds

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

 

[Chuck Norris]

Looking at the lineups over launch through the first half of 2014 I'm probably looking at these titles for each

Xbox One:
November - Killer Instinct, Forza, Lococycle
March - Titanfall
Undated Q2 - Project Spark, Quantum Break?

PS4:
November - Killzone, Resogun
December -
February - DriveClub, Dynasty Warriors 8, Yakuza Ishin, Hohokum
March - inFamous Second Son, MLB 14 the Show
April - FFXIV Online, Planetside 2

Undated Q1 - Octodad, Galak-Z, Hotline Miami 2, Deep Down
Undated Q2 - Hyperlight Drifter, the Witness, Transistor, Super Motherload, Helldivers, Order 1886

Xbox One really falls off the cliff after launch

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Looking at the lineups over launch through the first half of 2014 I'm probably looking at these titles for each

Xbox One:
November - Killer Instinct, Forza, Lococycle
March - Titanfall
Undated Q2 - Project Spark, Quantum Break?

PS4:
November - Killzone, Resogun
December -
February - DriveClub, Dynasty Warriors 8, Yakuza Ishin, Hohokum
March - inFamous Second Son, MLB 14 the Show
April - FFXIV Online, Planetside 2

Undated Q1 - Octodad, Galak-Z, Hotline Miami 2, Deep Down
Undated Q2 - Hyperlight Drifter, the Witness, Transistor, Super Motherload, Helldivers, Order 1886

Xbox One really falls off the cliff after launch

If only Titanfall didn't come to PC, that game would sting.

 

[TheKayle]

also this is just a pr stuff


sony didnt change at all his model
sony always tried to have the most powerful machine...and most of the time they had
sony always had biggest first party devs park....
nothing is changed

meanwhile ms changing his model of the original xbox....
as a 36 old gamer..im more attracted by what is doing ms.....also if i would have less power gap between this two console

is clear that i would chose one that can do GOOD gaming and others stuff
the two os's of this machine...show the differences

 

[Cdgilbert]

Over the next decade, Microsoft will be in a fight with Apple and Google.

Sony will be more focussed on gaming.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

They're both about games. You're just too immersed in marketing and forum fanboy hype.

That's the point though.

 

[Thaster]

Well, you're totally right about the Xbox One having more exclusives right off the bat. But you have to realize that Sony currently has 14 studios working on 24 exclusives.

You have to think about the long run. A console that develops a strong lineup of games over time will be better than one that initially releases with a mediocre lineup.

 

[EventHorizon]

What your giving me is a bunch of excuses nothing in the ps4 launch lineup stacks up to previous big launch titles including (but not limited to) Super Mario 64, Halo ,SSX, Resistance fall of man, Soul Calibur, rogue squadron2 rogue leader, DOA 3, uncharted golden abyss, etc. etc.

And yet we have real data

Top 40 Amazon best Selling in Video Games
============================================
 5: PS4 Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag
 8: PS4 Killzone: Shadow Fall
 9: PS4 Call of Duty: Ghosts
21: XB1 Ryse
24: XB1 Dead Rising 3 Day One Edition
28: PS4 Knack 
29: PS4 Need for Speed Rivals
30: XB1 Battlefield 4
31: XB1 Call of Duty: Ghosts
36: XB1 Forza Motorsport 5 Day One Edition
38: PS4 NBA 2K14

If the XB1's games were so much better then why are there none in the top 20. The fact is that 3 games for the PS4 are in the top 10 with one being an exclusive. With the PS4 being both the better hardware and the cheaper system, their versions of third party games become like a soft exclusive. You can't say the PS4 has no good games when their games outsell those of the XB1.

this fall you will have titanfall and second son...every one will forget about the 720p/1080p differences

and i think that titanfall will sell like hamburgers at mcdonalds

No they won't because they will be expecting to buy Destiny, Watchdogs, and The Division along with the annual staples of Maden, Call of Duty, and Assassin's Creed. While nothing is guaranteed, the odds are that the PS4 version of those games will be better. So why would someone pay $100 more to play an inferior version of those games?

Oh and if the market deems that 1080p is not enough of a difference over 720p then that extra power can be used for better framerates, anti aliasing, and general picture quality instead. The true significance of Resolutiongate is that it highlights that the PS4 is the more powerful machine. People get sidetracked into arguing about how that extra power is used in a particular instance instead of realizing the power gap itself.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

The problem with many of the media capabilities of Xbox One is that a lot of the services don't work in many European nations. This is due to licensing deals, but it still sucks HBO Go and Netflix is new to many of us, but the selection is hampered, severely.

 

[Abounder]

Both machines are gateways into walled gardens

When it comes to game content Microsoft will moneyhat exclusive DLC content from third parties, and Sony will respond with exclusives of their own

I don't think either system has a killer app but both will have great libraries. There are only 3 games that I am truly willing to shell $500+ for and that's Titanfall, EQnext, and Star Citizen, and funny enough the first two will be exclusives from MS and Sony but all 3 are on PC

Microsoft's biggest mistake is releasing a $100 more expensive system and not convincing us of the value but I think it will be a worth competitor in Western markets

It'll be really interesting if either Sony or MS can penetrate China as they open their doors to the console world

 

[TheKayle]

And yet we have real data

Top 40 Amazon best Selling in Video Games
============================================
 5: PS4 Assassin's Creed IV Black Flag
 8: PS4 Killzone: Shadow Fall
 9: PS4 Call of Duty: Ghosts
21: XB1 Ryse
24: XB1 Dead Rising 3 Day One Edition
28: PS4 Knack 
29: PS4 Need for Speed Rivals
30: XB1 Battlefield 4
31: XB1 Call of Duty: Ghosts
36: XB1 Forza Motorsport 5 Day One Edition
38: PS4 NBA 2K14

If the XB1's games were so much better then why are there none in the top 10. The fact is that 3 games for the PS4 are in the top 10 with one being an exclusive. With the PS4 being both the better hardware and the cheaper system, their versions of third party games become like a soft exclusive. You can't say the PS4 has no good games when their games outsell those of the XB1.



No they won't because they will be expecting to buy Destiny, Watchdogs, and The Division along with the annual staples of Maden, Call of Duty, and Assassin's Creed. While nothing is guaranteed, the odds are that the PS4 version of those games will be better. So why would someone pay $100 more to play an inferior version of those games?

Oh and if the market deems that 1080p is not enough of a difference over 720p then that extra power can be used for better framerates, anti aliasing, and general picture quality instead. The true significance of Resolutiongate is that it highlights that the PS4 is the more powerful machine. People get sidetracked into arguing about how that extra power is used in a particular instance instead of realizing the power gap itself.

again im sure that titanfall will be a system seller...if pushed how im expect ms will...
no one is denying that ps4 have a better gpu ...
but as your resolutiongate show this differences
the media capability of the ps4 show the differences between xb1 and the ps4
i can tell you that at least here in italy (and i htink in most of europe country) one system seller of the ps3 was the ability to stream flash illegal movie on the browser...
now the ps4 browser as i read dont support flash
meanwhile the xb1 SEEM that will do

https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5062

"In regards to playing personal media files, Nelson stated that there would be a solution for personal media. As of now, nothing is confirmed. He also promises some new info on the headset adapter soon and that “It’s being worked on.” HTML5 will be supported on the Xbox One, with a browser experience somewhat like Windows 8. Flash functionality will be included, but HTML5 will be the main focus. You’ll still be able to use Flash-supported sites without problem though"

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-new-...ystem-sdk-and-performance#yfwpDvgGUDW1Cmh2.99

the apps..the tv capability and the ability to play two games at the same time....the snap and the better multitasking...the specs of the kinect compared to the ps4 camera.....and maybe the compatibility with the w8 store...
another big difference that will be greater down the line is the network infrastructure...ppl like to downplay this and try to be very silent on this...
im sure that this will be one of the biggest difference of this gen

look at this

and kz is a great exclusive...this point that the thing are not changing at all from the ps3 host situation...and that should be scary for everyone who wanna love multiplayer gaming

i dont think that the gpu difference are making the ps4 a better console...is just a more oriented console

ps as a pc gamer from years i dont care who will run better multiplats coz ppl like me play multiplats on pc..where i can have take the best from this games...i buy xbox and ps for their exclusives...and at launch the "hardcore gaming" machine showed me a knack...a killzone and a indie game....wasnt a good launch..waiting to see how ms fail

 

[p3tran]

This is not a console war thread.


So, from February on, PS4 has strongly shown to be a "games-first" system. All of these gamer-central features made us excited, especially after Xbox One's announcement seemed to indicate that it was an all media device...with a little bit of gaming.

Flash forward to today. Almost every gaming feature the PS4 does is replicated on the Xbox One...even with some unique ones (the free dedicated servers for devs, system-wide challenges, doing something else while waiting for a match, etc). In addition to that, it ALSO has the broad media and entertainment functionality that PS4 is really lacking or barebones in. And the actual games? There are far more launch exclusives on the supposed "media-first" device than the "gaming-first" console. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I love my PS4. There are great features. The decidedly more powerful system, the seamless sharing and streaming experience, plugging any standard headphones into the controller and routing all TV audio to it, Remote Play, and more. But I can't help but feel like this "gaming-first" mentality was for nought, as the Xbox One has more launch exclusives, just as many gaming features, AND all of the media functionality. The Xbox One is more expensive, and not everybody wants a Kinect. I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about sales. I'm just wondering why it seems that the gaming-first mentality didn't really prove to make a substantial difference between the PS4 and Xbox One.

Edit: Talking about whether Sony's focus on games since Feb. has led to a real difference between what PS4 and XB1 were seen as before and what they have ended up being at their launches.

BOTH companies basically, and underneath their PR, they both want the same thing:
us to get a machine that we will feed with money regularly.

I cant shake the feeling that sony was having the wait & see stance, and when microsoft's plan backfired bigtime, they had the luxury (and smartness) to play their PR in a way that would give them a significant advantage.
they did, and it worked. can they deliver? but like now, not in 2 years...

microsoft, had they made a few better choices COULD start this generation with first place in the pocket, yet they definitely fucked up their chance.

so now they have to fight.
its all good.

now for guys that want to get only one system, I dont know what to say...
better judge for yourselves what are you paying and what are you getting.

 

[davepoobond]

yes, but price is king.

 

[p3tran]

yes, but price is king.

I dont think so....
or it COULD be, maybe for guys that will buy the system and wait a month to buy a game, the sell it to get another etc.

but these type of consumers, they dont bring the big bucks to either sony or microsoft.

and today, market has changed...
I see many people spending not 100euro more, but 200 or 300 more to get a different tablet because they perceive better value there, or quality. same with other tech stuff.

and given the price of console games etc, 100e is not even two games difference.
if you add the camera to ps4 (for streaming?) then the price difference is almost zero, and definitely not worth even mentioning.

I see how pachter always goes on about the 100$ difference, but i cant shake the feeling that that dude is STILL learning how this market works.....
someday maybe he will....

 

[Roland1979]

I'm strictly a gamer, i don't watch much tv and live in The Netherlands. So to begin with all the social services and tv focus i can remove from the list. What is left is a weaker console, with less focus on indies, a higher price, a possible return to DRM but with better launch titles (most would agree on). In the long term the launch titles, which aren't great usually anyway quickly get outweighed by long term value. Sony's 1st party titles, more power and lots of free games with PS+ make it for me as a PC&PS gamer a far greater value. I'm strictly a hardcore gamer and MS's attitude has disgusted me and the consoles still gives me rising hairs. When i think of the camera all i can think of is NSA, not unprecedented value.

 

[Chuck Norris]

I dont think so....
or it COULD be, maybe for guys that will buy the system and wait a month to buy a game, the sell it to get another etc.

but these type of consumers, they dont bring the big bucks to either sony or microsoft.

and today, market has changed...
I see many people spending not 100euro more, but 200 or 300 more to get a different tablet because they perceive better value there, or quality. same with other tech stuff.

and given the price of console games etc, 100e is not even two games difference.
if you add the camera to ps4 (for streaming?) then the price difference is almost zero, and definitely not worth even mentioning.

I see how pachter always goes on about the 100$ difference, but i cant shake the feeling that that dude is STILL learning how this market works.....
someday maybe he will....

Pretty sure I remember reading a very similar argument back in 2006. Just reverse the situation and replace "if you add the camera" with the HD-DVD add on

 

[TheKayle]

I'm strictly a gamer, i don't watch much tv and live in The Netherlands. So to begin with all the social services and tv focus i can remove from the list. What is left is a weaker console, with less focus on indies, a higher price, a possible return to DRM but with better launch titles (most would agree on). In the long term the launch titles, which aren't great usually anywise quickly get outweighed by long term value. Sony's 1st party titles, more power and lots of free games with PS+ make it for me as a PC&PS gamer a far greater value. I'm strictly a hardcore gamer and MS's attitude has disgusted me and the consoles still gives me rising hairs. When i think of the camera all i can think of is NSA, not unprecedented value.

u dont watch tv...you dont go on social network (you know that a forum is a "social service" right?)...and u scared of nsa?
...o...kay

you must admitt that reading like this..seem that
...something is wrong here