PuppetMaster
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I just love that Ryan is still getting shit about this sound bite!
DF: PS4 COD frame judder caused by frame rate HIGHER than 60fps
- Thread starter feint_ruled
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I just love that Ryan is still getting shit about this sound bite!
It's also no bueno and flat out wrong to say that it has extreme framerate drops.
Why are people shocked? Every game that is aimed at 60hz, is running over 60hz most of the time.
Forza probably runs at 100fps many times, like many CoD on Xbox 360, Wipeout on PS3 or GT 5/6.
The difference is, that they are locked at 60, but frames are rendered faster than in 16.6ms
Forza probably runs at 100fps many times, like many CoD on Xbox 360, Wipeout on PS3 or GT 5/6.
The difference is, that they are locked at 60, but frames are rendered faster than in 16.6ms
Whiteshirt
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Yes that's an option but its also not an option for dudes who buy GTX780s for single display gaming.
Seems that way. Not a terrible problem to have since I can't imagine this not being an easy fix.
Hari Seldon
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That is a pretty great problem to have. Much easier to lock it at a lower resolution than try to optimize shit to squeeze out more speed.
OlympicTechno
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But isn't IW at fault for this, not the PS4?
Arkos
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Bahaha that's great. Really interesting twist in the nascent next gen wars
KoopaTheCasual
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PuppetMaster
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You should try reading the article
Muppet of a Man
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Absolutely. This problem shouldn't exist at all.
This game is a gift that keeps on giving.
Wanted to show PS4 flexing its muscles?
https://twitter.com/shahidkamal/status/400013318309814273
Wrong!! Shaking my head Shahid, get your shit together!
Wrong!! Shaking my head Shahid, get your shit together!
phosphor112
Banned
I really hope they change it, if not people will go nuts.
Yes, it's their fault, and Gies and all the rest who wanted to use a lower framerate in CoD on PS4 to dismiss its power advantage will have to go find another straw to grasp at.
Kleegamefan
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BruiserBear
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No, they shouldn't change anything based on this news. I've been playing the PS4 version, and I definitely think the game doesn't run at smoothly as it should. This doesn't change that fact. All that's different now is the explanation for why it's not as smooth as it should be.
It's probably not quite as simple as just enabling vsync, and for the record the game rarely tears frames in multiplayer. In fact, I believe I've only see it happen on one specific map, and one specific area of that map. Haven't touch the campaign yet.
There's some seriously interesting (and admittedly expected) technological implications for this, but I don't like that people are acting as though the frame-rate issues (in terms of judder from inconsistent rates) are a good thing in terms of user experience. This is a bug that should have been addressed. It could be that this sort of oversight applies to the problems in other versions as well.
If your energies are focused on the credibility of a hardware platform, then this is good news. If you care about the gameplay experience, then this is still a bad thing until it's patched (which should thankfully be within days rather than weeks, based on the nature of the problem).
Ignoring everything else, this is a problem that still effects gameplay that's annoying to the player. This is the sort of reasoning that seems problematic; the gameplay is less important to some people than the politics of the criticisms. That criticism that there is some issue with how frames are displayed still effects the player. The technological reason behind that doesn't change that.
If your energies are focused on the credibility of a hardware platform, then this is good news. If you care about the gameplay experience, then this is still a bad thing until it's patched (which should thankfully be within days rather than weeks, based on the nature of the problem).
Ignoring everything else, this is a problem that still effects gameplay that's annoying to the player. This is the sort of reasoning that seems problematic; the gameplay is less important to some people than the politics of the criticisms. That criticism that there is some issue with how frames are displayed still effects the player. The technological reason behind that doesn't change that.
Something is off here...you shouldn't be able to run at a framerate higher than 60fps with vsync enabled...it doesn't swap the frame into the buffer until a monitor poll. That being said, a single torn frame means there's something weird going on here.
In any case, the issue here appears to be an uneven frame latency, not a framerate issue.
You can output 60fps, but if the frame latency ever goes above 16.7ms, you're going to miss the deadline for sending the new frame to the monitor. So, what's happening here is that the average frame latency is 16.7ms (60fps), but there's a lot of deviation that's resulting in some frames not making the deadlines.
In any case, the issue here appears to be an uneven frame latency, not a framerate issue.
You can output 60fps, but if the frame latency ever goes above 16.7ms, you're going to miss the deadline for sending the new frame to the monitor. So, what's happening here is that the average frame latency is 16.7ms (60fps), but there's a lot of deviation that's resulting in some frames not making the deadlines.
Lawl @ gameplay experience, its all about raaaaaaaawr powaaaaaaaaa.
BruiserBear
Banned
Let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet with the XB1 version. We still haven't had actual analysis done of that version of the game yet. I have a feeling that version suffers from some framerate problems of it's own, even if the press didn't make note of it in their reviews.
Vsync is NOT enabled. I have seen tearing, albeit extremely rarely, but it does happen on a specific map in a specific area of that map.
EchoedTruth
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Appollowexx
Member
Well the game isn't exactly pushing the PS4.
That said this is a funny twist in the whole ongoing Call of Duty next-gen port debacle.
That said this is a funny twist in the whole ongoing Call of Duty next-gen port debacle.
feint_ruled
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COD games do not enable V-sync on console. They will dip below 60fps occasionally, but if it stays in the mid 50s no-one will notice. If it goes to 30 due to V-sync.. people will notice.
Wait so it's not fair to post this when a game fails to meet those because indies but it's fair to post this when a AAA game meets those?
I'm confused.
phosphor112
Banned
It SHOULD be as simple as enabling vsync. And if they do, they do need to change their review. It would be hypocritical if they did not.
Cornbread78
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OK, so if we have a 240hz TV, what would be wicked awesome, would be to have the option to optimize the FPS for your own TV for SP. I know that would be a logistical nightmare for online play and would create clear unbalanced gameplay.
Sounds like they're trying to synchronize from within the engine, bypassing GPU level vsync. Not possible on PC, AFAIK, but it might be possible on consoles with low level control.
The question is what are they doing exactly. When the monitor polls, do they draw as much as possible? Do they draw a single frame? Do they use triple buffering? Does it tear when it goes above 60fps or when it falls below 60fps?
It would be nice to have a really high framerate camera pointed at the screen to see exactly what's going on here.
No TV on the market accepts an input higher than 60Hz, despite being able to display much more than that. Only monitors accept up to 120 or 144Hz at the moment.
That's actually a major part of how display functions like v-sync work. If a game appears to be running tear-free at a framerate like 30 or 60, it's not that the hardware is only capable of running that many frames. It has a greater "budget" of processing power, but it's limited to solve problems like the exact one we're seeing in this version of CoD.
shinra-bansho
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They probably don't know it even now. See, even 95% of journalists and about 75% of users do not know.
Shahid's gonna get misquoted for the rest of the gen isn't he?
This is hilarious to me. Here we are, trying to close out ResolutionGate, and the framerate issues the PS4 is having is because it's running too high, not too low.
It's like when Goku arrived at Namek after training at 100x on the ship and he wiped up the Ginyu Force, but had to keep his true power v-syn- under wraps.
While I agree with you in this case (the timing and prominence of the release make it relatively simple, once it's been dealt with), but imagine if every written review ever was expected to be adjusted for every meaningful post-release patch. That would be a logistical nightmare for writers, and legitimize releasing flawed or incomplete games for publishers.
feint_ruled
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Although COD is described as a 60fps game, it's not really. It wavers around 50-60, what DF called "perceptually" 60fps. VSync would be murder.
Oh, no, I'm well aware of that, it's just that all those journalists were implying that it was because PS4 couldn't keep a steady 60FPS and witnessed a lot of "drops".
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Hahahaha, sorry. But yeah, this is real 60fps, so good, so good...
I hope we see much more of this in the future.
Actually, as long as 30fps games are locked at 30 with a few dips at worst it's already fine by me.
I've seen this gif thousands of times but I still don't know who it is, could someone end my suffering please. It cracks me up every time.
This just keeps getting better and better. Oh lawd!
Interfectum
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