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[jaxword]

This country is so ridiculous to me. Everyone is constantly offended and everyone is constantly threatening to sue.

Yeah, and the internet is, paradoxically, making it worse. You'd think a venue for free expression would desensitize people, but no, they actively seek out reasons to be offended.

How many people have seen internet arguments basically boil down to "I am offended!"

 

[Fudgepuppy]

I had a pretty aggressively feministic teacher back when I was 13 years old, who would talk a lot about the objectification of women in media and the lack of respect they receive. It took me ~9 years to find merit in her words as she spent so much time, indirectly, saying that I was the cause of all her problems, which I took offense to as I had no chance of making her life better or worse at that point.

So yeah, if the teacher spent every class saying that white men destroys everyone else, then it's definitely logical of those kids to get offended.

This issue is so hard to handle delicately...

 

[Timedog]

I'm just amazed that those two have such poor reading comprehension.

edit: to the note of poor reading comprehension, I never said I doubted it. I said I was curious how it came up. Context for a scenario like this is very important. I've had a prof talk about why marijuana should be legal during a lecture about hurricane katrina.

You should have brought it up in a completely neutral way, if you wanted to be seen as neutral. You came off as having doubt, and bias towards it not being relevant. Your language was not neutral. If you want to express doubt, do exactly what you did. It seems from the above ^^^ that you did not want to express doubt. Next time, communicate more clearly.

 

[mattx5]

Structural racism and sexism are valid topics of discussion in any college humanities class and in my opinion can be discussed in just about any class in an institution of higher learning including science/math classes. Just because a class doesn't fall under the offerings of the history department doesn't mean there won't be a historical component to it.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

As a race we have accomplished a lot and its not that I feel entitlement of any kind its just my heritage and who I am.

But the world is a cruel place and anyone will stab you in the back so none of these petty race arguments really matter its all just sensationalism.

Really? It's too damn early in the morning for this...

 

[UrbanRats]

So White people can't be proud of being white without being bigots?

I'm brown if anyone's curious.

To me it doesn't make sense.
You should be proud of achievements you worked for, not stuff you had nothing to do with.

At least in cases like black or gay pride, it's in relation to a very specific struggle these people have overcome or are going through.

Otherwise, i don't see why i should even be "proud" to be Italian, it's not like I painted the Sistine Chapel.

You can be happy to be white (for whatever reason), but proud doesn't make sense to me.

It's like being proud of winning the lottery.

You have to actually put some agency and calculate a risk, in playing the lottery, whereas you have absolutely no agency in deciding the position you'll be born in the World.
Hell, you can't even choose to be born or not.



Also related Doug Stanhope:

http://youtu.be/gQEcMTSgg5w

 

[Dead Man]

Just going off the thread title, I'm reminded of the blue eye vs brown eye experiment. I wonder how close this situation is to that.

Yep, it's absolutely the same thing. It's amazing how uncomfortable they get with such limited exposure.

Blue Eye vs Brown experiment for those who don't know

Of course, that was a horrible fucking thing and nobody should put up with shit just because someone else has it worse.

 

[crimzonflame]

What if this lawsuit is just the beginning? I have feeling that this will start some sort of revolution in the States then worldwide.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

What's always astonishing is not only how painful any race-related thread is on gaf, but also knowing that gaf is a very liberal crowd and therefore actually represents the better end of the spectrum in this regard. Terrifying.


White pride? Really?

 

[vulva]

So doing some more research, I think the students have no defense. I managed to finally track down the syllabus for the course. http://ww2.minneapolis.edu/docs/cco/JOUR/JOUR 1000 Introduction to Mass Communications.pdf


The final section " The presentation of women and minorities in the media. "

So that does settle where the discussion came from.

 

[Dead Man]

So doing some more research, I think the students have no defense. I managed to finally track down the syllabus for the course. http://ww2.minneapolis.edu/docs/cco/JOUR/JOUR 1000 Introduction to Mass Communications.pdf


The final section " The presentation of women and minorities in the media. "

So that does settle where the discussion came from.

Assuming she followed the syllabus, and didn't introduce unrelated material into earlier sections. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the students, but it is not impossible that she went too far.

 

[vulva]

Assuming she followed the syllabus, and didn't introduce unrelated material into earlier sections. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the students, but it is not impossible that she went too far.

Yeah, I mean unless we sat in on the class not a single one of us can confidently say how her actions were, but to the same point it's very clear that racial issues would be discussed in the class. If they didn't read the syllabus and were unaware, that's their own fault.

As for unrelated material into earlier sections, this is also taken from the school's website "Individual instructors will arrange these topics and learning objectives in a manner that most makes sense for their teaching styles and forms of evaluating student work in the course."

So I guess she had every right to bring it up whenever and however she wanted.

 

[TCRS]

So doing some more research, I think the students have no defense. I managed to finally track down the syllabus for the course. http://ww2.minneapolis.edu/docs/cco/JOUR/JOUR 1000 Introduction to Mass Communications.pdf


The final section " The presentation of women and minorities in the media. "

So that does settle where the discussion came from.

Wasn't the original complaint that she talked about racism in every class though?

Structural racism and sexism are valid topics of discussion in any college humanities class and in my opinion can be discussed in just about any class in an institution of higher learning including science/math classes. Just because a class doesn't fall under the offerings of the history department doesn't mean there won't be a historical component to it.

lol no. There is absolutely no connection between oridnary differential equations and sexism/racism. And when I go to a maths class I don't want any of those social aspects, for that I'll go to humanities classes.

 

[Mesoian]

Sounds like a couple of gafers in every Gaming-side thread about sexism.

Word.

 

[vulva]

Wasn't the original complaint that she talked about racism in every class though?

Even if that's the case, as I mentioned in the next post the school did give outright warnings that the material was up to the instructor's discretion and teaching style. It sounds like the school might be too liberal in how they allow their teachers to approach the course material.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

They actually made a complaint of racial discrimination based on a theory their instructor was putting forth? Rather than engage with that theory, they made the claim that an academic discussion was a form of discrimination placed upon them as people? I just don't understand. I've been in situations where I've been singled out for discussion due to my background or verbally disagreed with the theories of a lecturer in a tutorial situation, and in my experience academics are generally open to being challenged, to enter into debate, and the formulation of conversation, so long as you are cogent and engage with the ideas at hand.

It's mind-boggling to me not only that the complaints were made but that they were acted upon at all.

 

[TCRS]

Even if that's the case, as I mentioned in the next post the school did give outright warnings that the material was up to the instructor's discretion and teaching style. It sounds like the school might be too liberal in how they allow their teachers to approach the course material.

That paragraph sounds to me more about the organisational structure of the course rather than the topical, i.e. whether there'll be coursework etc.

 

[vulva]

That paragraph sounds to me more about the organisational structure of the course rather than the topical, i.e. whether there'll be coursework etc.

Normally that's how I'd interpret it as well but the detailing in the language is vague enough that the leniency in enforcement of structure could have an argument made for it as well. Either way, I was mostly interested to know how the subject matter tied in to the course, now I know.

 

[bankster]

What do you mean by social programming? I think everyone here is reasonable about the historical context of the conversation that this news is talking about, but I got lost in the last part.

White people are seen as having a singular historical experience, and not the multitude of divergent ones that actually existed. That experience being oppressors of other peoples, which is itself an artifact of the study of history.

Oppression by foreign tribes and groups, and within the tribes and groups themselves, have always been the norm in human history. So, it the social programming here is, that oppression by whites is a peculiar and defining characteristic of a multicultural and multifaceted group of people, hailing from different parts of Europe. Also discounting the oppression suffered by whites in the hands of, f.ex. Moors, Mongols and north-African tribes. It´s either malevolence and ignorance, or in some cases a form of ethno-masochism. Singling out white people as the oppressors of other people is intellectually dishonest, at best.

 

[reKon]

"Why don't we have a white history month though?"

Has been told directly to my face before..

 

[Tacitus_]

I tried to say, 'You guys are trying to take it personally. This is not a personal attack. We're not all white people, you white people in general. We're talking about whiteness as a system of oppression.'
--
And I told the lawyer at the investigatory meeting, 'You have helped those three white male students succeed in undermining my authority as one of the few remaining black female professors here.'"

Shannon, I find it troubling that the manner in which you led a discussion on the very important topic of of structural racism alienated two students who may have been most in need of learning about this subject.

While I believe it was your intention to discuss structural racism generally, it was inappropriate for you to single out white male students in class. Your actions in [targeting] select students based on their race and gender caused them embarrassment and created a hostile learning environment.

---
In a statement addressing the controversy, MCTC officials said they believe "it is essential for our students to understand issues of race, class and power, and we encourage the faculty to actively engage students in respectful discussions about these topics and create an atmosphere in which students may ask questions as an important part of the classroom experience. That's how we learn."

Lady is soft in the head.

 

[Valhelm]

Hundreds...of years...of systematic racism. Casual racism still persists today. White privilege is a real thing.

But she's out of line for saying white men are the cause of this?

She's supposed to just wink and smile when she talks about how certain people keep minorities down.

 

[Toxi]

As a race we have accomplished a lot and its not that I feel entitlement of any kind its just my heritage and who I am.

If it's just who your ancestors are, why are you proud of it? It's not like white people encompass all your ancestors.

Culture gets defined by race no? Read the whole thing first pls.

I'm done with these petty arguments gawd.

As a white Hispanic, I wouldn't say race has had a very positive effect on my ancestors' culture.

 

[The Culture Vulture]

As someone who is half English and half Jamaican I always find these topics so confusing. It's hard to form an objective opinion or muster up some kind of appropriate emotional response.

I didn't know Malcolm Gladwell had a GAF account, big fan.

 

[Jangocube]

"Based on this and other actions by the school administration, Gibney and six other professors are filing a federal class action lawsuit against the college alleging that it is a discriminatory workplace."

Sooooooooo, you get called out on something, and your defense is to rally other bitter people and blame others? Great professor. Awesome.

 

[Dicear]

You guys may not realize it, but it is true that minorities have much better opportunities on finding jobs these days. White guilt is a real thing, we as men can't escape it wherever we go. Even though most of the white population doesn't give a rats ass about whether someone is black, yellow or somewhere in between, we keep being punished and set aside by radical feminists and other terribly frustrated people with no self respect. Positive discrimination is just as bad as normal discrimination. You can't argue about that. Every upside has just as many downsides when it comes to these kind of rules.

Also, it is a bad thing that women aren't treated as equals anymore, but instead are put on a pedestal. Laws are still incredibly kind when it is the women who committed a crime, and almost every divorce these days ends in favor of the woman. My father deals a lot with these cases with his job, and in his experience women have it so much easier with the law than men, in all aspects of life.

And it doesn't end here. Last week, the EU (or rather, a small group of undemocraticly chosen woman and men) agreed that 40% of people working in the top of businesses have to be women. This really annoys me. The Glass Ceiling is bullshit. I did all kinds of research on it, and terms like 'Old Boys Network', the foundation of the Glass Ceiling theory, are not real anymore. And now, with this new law, any women aiming for a top job in their company will have 20 or 30 times as much a chance as men.

And there is so much more. For example, if you look at dating nowadays, it is clear that most women end up riding the cock carrousel, and a lot of young men end up depressed and alone. I have seen some statistics saying that 20% of the men get 80% the sex of women. Let that sink in for a moment (I'll look for the source if you don't believe me). I'm definitely not a misogynist or racist (I was raised with the belief that everyone is equal), and I may sound kind of harsh or bitter, but In all honesty, the situation is really fucked up. We should be having gender equality in all areas of life, not legislation that promotes the chances of any minority over the 'majority' (white men).

 

[Mr-Joker]

"It’s like people are trying to say that white men are always the villains, the bad guys. Why do we have to say this?”

Er because history has shown that white men were the villain and still are, especially in the police force?

 

[Dicear]

Er because history has shown that white men were the villain and still are, especially in the police force?

Ignorant asshole. Don't believe everything you see on TV cop shows and movies. Discrimination and racism is just as real from both sides in reality.

 

[bucknuticus]

Whelp

 

[methane47]

You guys may not realize it, but it is true that minorities have much better opportunities on finding jobs these days. White guilt is a real thing, we as men can't escape it wherever we go. Even though most of the white population doesn't give a rats ass about whether someone is black, yellow or somewhere in between, we keep being punished and set aside by radical feminists and other terribly frustrated people with no self respect. Positive discrimination is just as bad as normal discrimination. You can't argue about that. Every upside has just as many downsides when it comes to these kind of rules.

Also, it is a bad thing that women aren't treated as equals anymore, but instead are put on a pedestal. Laws are still incredibly kind when it is the women who committed a crime, and almost every divorce these days ends in favor of the woman. My father deals a lot with these cases with his job, and in his experience women have it so much easier with the law than men, in all aspects of life.

And it doesn't end here. Last week, the EU (or rather, a small group of undemocraticly chosen woman and men) agreed that 40% of people working in the top of businesses have to be women. This really annoys me. The Glass Ceiling is bullshit. I did all kinds of research on it, and terms like 'Old Boys Network', the foundation of the Glass Ceiling theory, are not real anymore. And now, with this new law, any women aiming for a top job in their company will have 20 or 30 times as much a chance as men.

And there is so much more. For example, if you look at dating nowadays, it is clear that most women end up riding the cock carrousel, and a lot of young men end up depressed and alone. I have seen some statistics saying that 20% of the men get 80% the sex of women. Let that sink in for a moment (I'll look for the source if you don't believe me). I'm definitely not a misogynist or racist (I was raised with the belief that everyone is equal), and I may sound kind of harsh or bitter, but In all honesty, the situation is really fucked up. We should be having gender equality in all areas of life, not legislation that promotes the chances of any minority over the 'majority' (white men).

Ignorant asshole. Don't believe everything you see on TV cop shows and movies. Discrimination and racism is just as real from both sides in reality.

Well lets do a thought experiment. Lets imagine your theory is true and racism is just as real from both sides.
Lets imagine a percentage of people that are racists (R)

Now lets say that
White People * R are racists
and
Black People * R are racists.

Given your knowledge about the population of the US for example. Which of those statements would have a larger affect on Society as a whole?

 

[Data West]

"and why do they get a whole HISTORY MONTH and ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL, huh?!??"

Didn't take you long to pull out that strawman, did it?

 

[TheRagnCajun]

It is really hard to judge what happened in this situation. As a Canadian, to me it looks like America is really struggling with this topic...because racism still exists, but there seems to be an oversensitivity to it at the same time. Its hard to say without being there if this professor was able to present the subject even-handedly.

Its important when teaching youth that you take extra care not to offend them though. At that age, they take no responsibility for what their ancestors may have done, or what other people of similar race/cuture may have done. Its pretty easy to make them feel like you're blaming them for something they didn't do.

 

[RoninChaos]

I will say if she was continually singling out white male students in class as examples of THE MAN or some bullshit, that would be pretty sucky.

I just read another article about her and it seems like "THE WHITE MAN" is the basis of all her lectures.

 

[wildfire]

If you want to reverse the races in this situation then let's do that. The truth of the matter is that if the races were reversed, like you proposed, she wouldn't even be working right now. She would have been fired for being a bigot a long time ago. She seems like she's already damaged herself professionally given this situation and past issues as well.

Now you are heading into idiot territory. Swapping skins != swapping the curriculum for playing devil's advocate.

 

[MikeDown]

So does the article actually expand on what she was teaching "structural racism"?

 

[Mumei]

This is 100% incorrect. A person can definitely be proud of their heritage despite their race, creed, or gender. Saying that a group of people aren't allowed to be proud because they've never had to endure hardship is bullshit.

It's 100% correct. He is not saying that "feelings of pride" is born from that; he is saying that pride movements - particularly the gay pride movement and the Black pride movement, though there are others - are born out of a resistance to cultural messages that tell those people that they are less than. It is because of differing social and historical contexts that expressions of racial pride are read differently depending on a person's race. Pride movements for denigrated minorities are assertions of equal worth and equality, not of superiority or specialness. A white person expressing racial pride in response to this might mean, "I have the same sort of pride," but it's never going to be understood that way because the social context is different.

 

[andycapps]

Honestly, there's not enough information in this for me to make a decision one way or the other. My initial leaning is to side against the students, but this is a Mass Communication class, and I'd have to know the context behind why she was talking about structural racism. My experience in college was that many professors are tenured so they feel the need that they can prattle on about whatever pet subject they have. I'm not saying the teacher was that way, I don't have enough information to make a judgment.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

It is really hard to judge what happened in this situation. As a Canadian, to me it looks like America is really struggling with this topic...because racism still exists, but there seems to be an oversensitivity to it at the same time. Its hard to say without being there if this professor was able to present the subject even-handedly.

Its important when teaching youth that you take extra care not to offend them though. At that age, they take no responsibility for what their ancestors may have done, or what other people of similar race/cuture may have done. Its pretty easy to make them feel like you're blaming them for something they didn't do.

Surveys have showed that majority of white Americans believe racism doesn't exist anymore. You can guess that black Americans believe.

 

[Jangocube]

Er because history has shown that white men were the villain and still are, especially in the police force?

Yes, white men are the villain throughout history. Forget about 4/5 of the other history that doesn't involve white men, and yes, they are the villains.

Lordy, some of ya'll need some history lessons outside of History classes.

 

[SmokyDave]

...For example, if you look at dating nowadays, it is clear that most women end up riding the cock carrousel, and a lot of young men end up depressed and alone...

I'm fucking dying here. Dude, you're killing me. Actually killing me. I'm cringing and laughing at the same time and I fear my ribs will collapse and puncture my lungs.

I'm going to start self-help classes for lonely young men called 'Be The Cock Carousel'.


Edit: I just heard a cracking noise from my midsection. I'm not long for this world.

 

[Data West]

Cock Carousel is my porn name AND my new band.

 

[Toxi]

You guys may not realize it, but it is true that minorities have much better opportunities on finding jobs these days. White guilt is a real thing, we as men can't escape it wherever we go. Even though most of the white population doesn't give a rats ass about whether someone is black, yellow or somewhere in between, we keep being punished and set aside by radical feminists and other terribly frustrated people with no self respect. Positive discrimination is just as bad as normal discrimination. You can't argue about that. Every upside has just as many downsides when it comes to these kind of rules.

Also, it is a bad thing that women aren't treated as equals anymore, but instead are put on a pedestal. Laws are still incredibly kind when it is the women who committed a crime, and almost every divorce these days ends in favor of the woman. My father deals a lot with these cases with his job, and in his experience women have it so much easier with the law than men, in all aspects of life.

And it doesn't end here. Last week, the EU (or rather, a small group of undemocraticly chosen woman and men) agreed that 40% of people working in the top of businesses have to be women. This really annoys me. The Glass Ceiling is bullshit. I did all kinds of research on it, and terms like 'Old Boys Network', the foundation of the Glass Ceiling theory, are not real anymore. And now, with this new law, any women aiming for a top job in their company will have 20 or 30 times as much a chance as men.

And there is so much more. For example, if you look at dating nowadays, it is clear that most women end up riding the cock carrousel, and a lot of young men end up depressed and alone. I have seen some statistics saying that 20% of the men get 80% the sex of women. Let that sink in for a moment (I'll look for the source if you don't believe me). I'm definitely not a misogynist or racist (I was raised with the belief that everyone is equal), and I may sound kind of harsh or bitter, but In all honesty, the situation is really fucked up. We should be having gender equality in all areas of life, not legislation that promotes the chances of any minority over the 'majority' (white men).

Oh wow. Why is it always the juniors?

If you're going to say stupid shit like "Black people get all the job opportunities these days", back it up with evidence. Otherwise, don't say stupid shit.

 

[methane47]

Yes, white men are the villain throughout history. Forget about 4/5 of the other history that doesn't involve white men, and yes, they are the villains.

Lordy, some of ya'll need some history lessons outside of History classes.

LOL When you say the other 4/5 Are you talking about History before there was writing?

You should just double dip and say White people have only been the villians for .0000001% of the history of the universe. That might make your point stick better.

 

[andycapps]

You guys may not realize it, but it is true that minorities have much better opportunities on finding jobs these days. White guilt is a real thing, we as men can't escape it wherever we go. Even though most of the white population doesn't give a rats ass about whether someone is black, yellow or somewhere in between, we keep being punished and set aside by radical feminists and other terribly frustrated people with no self respect. Positive discrimination is just as bad as normal discrimination. You can't argue about that. Every upside has just as many downsides when it comes to these kind of rules.

Also, it is a bad thing that women aren't treated as equals anymore, but instead are put on a pedestal. Laws are still incredibly kind when it is the women who committed a crime, and almost every divorce these days ends in favor of the woman. My father deals a lot with these cases with his job, and in his experience women have it so much easier with the law than men, in all aspects of life.

And it doesn't end here. Last week, the EU (or rather, a small group of undemocraticly chosen woman and men) agreed that 40% of people working in the top of businesses have to be women. This really annoys me. The Glass Ceiling is bullshit. I did all kinds of research on it, and terms like 'Old Boys Network', the foundation of the Glass Ceiling theory, are not real anymore. And now, with this new law, any women aiming for a top job in their company will have 20 or 30 times as much a chance as men.

And there is so much more. For example, if you look at dating nowadays, it is clear that most women end up riding the cock carrousel, and a lot of young men end up depressed and alone. I have seen some statistics saying that 20% of the men get 80% the sex of women. Let that sink in for a moment (I'll look for the source if you don't believe me). I'm definitely not a misogynist or racist (I was raised with the belief that everyone is equal), and I may sound kind of harsh or bitter, but In all honesty, the situation is really fucked up. We should be having gender equality in all areas of life, not legislation that promotes the chances of any minority over the 'majority' (white men).

We are going to need a dramatic reading of this. Especially the cock carousel part.

 

[RoninChaos]

Apparently cunning negroes were worth more....ain't that some shit.

The 25 dollar reward one turns my stomach. All of this does.

 

[Portugeezer]

Good. I'm tired of this white guilt shit.

 

[Mael]

Don't know how I missed that.. but seems relative to the course, at least in a historical context..

You guys may not realize it, but it is true that minorities have much better opportunities on finding jobs these days. White guilt is a real thing, we as men can't escape it wherever we go. Even though most of the white population doesn't give a rats ass about whether someone is black, yellow or somewhere in between, we keep being punished and set aside by radical feminists and other terribly frustrated people with no self respect. Positive discrimination is just as bad as normal discrimination. You can't argue about that. Every upside has just as many downsides when it comes to these kind of rules.

Also, it is a bad thing that women aren't treated as equals anymore, but instead are put on a pedestal. Laws are still incredibly kind when it is the women who committed a crime, and almost every divorce these days ends in favor of the woman. My father deals a lot with these cases with his job, and in his experience women have it so much easier with the law than men, in all aspects of life.

And it doesn't end here. Last week, the EU (or rather, a small group of undemocraticly chosen woman and men) agreed that 40% of people working in the top of businesses have to be women. This really annoys me. The Glass Ceiling is bullshit. I did all kinds of research on it, and terms like 'Old Boys Network', the foundation of the Glass Ceiling theory, are not real anymore. And now, with this new law, any women aiming for a top job in their company will have 20 or 30 times as much a chance as men.

And there is so much more. For example, if you look at dating nowadays, it is clear that most women end up riding the cock carrousel, and a lot of young men end up depressed and alone. I have seen some statistics saying that 20% of the men get 80% the sex of women. Let that sink in for a moment (I'll look for the source if you don't believe me). I'm definitely not a misogynist or racist (I was raised with the belief that everyone is equal), and I may sound kind of harsh or bitter, but In all honesty, the situation is really fucked up. We should be having gender equality in all areas of life, not legislation that promotes the chances of any minority over the 'majority' (white men).

I guess that broke my poor sarcasm detector.
Seriously it's like some weird hilarious parody

 

[Roastbeef]

LOL When you say the other 4/5 Are you talking about History before there was writing?

You should just double dip and say White people have only been the villians for .0000001% of the history of the universe. That might make your point stick better.

white people are the villains?
what in all the motherfucking fuck allows for such a blatantly racist statement to be tolerated here?

but ok, i'm gonna withhold from hurling insults and will instead challenge you to find a culture anywhere in the history of mankind where outsiders were held in equally high regard as members of the culture, the powerful did not oppress the less powerful and violence was not widespread. I would love to see that.

You guys may not realize it, but it is true that minorities have much better opportunities on finding jobs these days. White guilt is a real thing, we as men can't escape it wherever we go. Even though most of the white population doesn't give a rats ass about whether someone is black, yellow or somewhere in between, we keep being punished and set aside by radical feminists and other terribly frustrated people with no self respect. Positive discrimination is just as bad as normal discrimination. You can't argue about that. Every upside has just as many downsides when it comes to these kind of rules.

Also, it is a bad thing that women aren't treated as equals anymore, but instead are put on a pedestal. Laws are still incredibly kind when it is the women who committed a crime, and almost every divorce these days ends in favor of the woman. My father deals a lot with these cases with his job, and in his experience women have it so much easier with the law than men, in all aspects of life.

And it doesn't end here. Last week, the EU (or rather, a small group of undemocraticly chosen woman and men) agreed that 40% of people working in the top of businesses have to be women. This really annoys me. The Glass Ceiling is bullshit. I did all kinds of research on it, and terms like 'Old Boys Network', the foundation of the Glass Ceiling theory, are not real anymore. And now, with this new law, any women aiming for a top job in their company will have 20 or 30 times as much a chance as men.

And there is so much more. For example, if you look at dating nowadays, it is clear that most women end up riding the cock carrousel, and a lot of young men end up depressed and alone. I have seen some statistics saying that 20% of the men get 80% the sex of women. Let that sink in for a moment (I'll look for the source if you don't believe me). I'm definitely not a misogynist or racist (I was raised with the belief that everyone is equal), and I may sound kind of harsh or bitter, but In all honesty, the situation is really fucked up. We should be having gender equality in all areas of life, not legislation that promotes the chances of any minority over the 'majority' (white men).

some gaffers are like supernovas: they blow up in a glorious burst of cock-carousels and then they're gone

 

[methane47]

white people are the villains?
what in all the motherfucking fuck allows for such a blatantly racist statement to be tolerated here?

but ok, i'm gonna withhold from hurling insults and will instead challenge you to find a culture anywhere in the history of mankind where outsiders were held in equally high regard as members of the culture, the powerful did not oppress the less powerful and violence was not widespread. I would love to see that.



some gaffers are like supernovas: they blow up in a glorious burst of cock-carousels and then they're gone

Maybe you should read my post again for perspective. But towards your question.

In many cases in History, when the Europeans landed, They were treated with kind, brought gifts, treated as deities etc etc.
Only for them to Rape, pillage and plunder the hell out of almost every society they touched.

 

[Valhelm]

Good. I'm tired of this white guilt shit.

You don't think that white people should own up to their generally higher position in American society? Seriously?