3 White college students file racial discrimination complaint against professor
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Uncle Rupee
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Yeah, it's a good subject to touch upon, the same as sexism in mass communication. But doing so every class might get a bit old.
Pride is a very loaded word in this context. The word itself is inadequate in this case, but that's a failure of language, nothing more.
If it was such a valuable resource then 30% of them wouldn't sell it back to the original 'owners'.
He's not talking about being proud of something you are, he's talking about "pride movements". Not the same thing.
A white pride march would be dumb as fuck.
curlyfriski
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Are you implying he has some sort of agenda?! That's crazy talk. Only the people he disagrees with could be so awful.
One of these things is....just like the other?
Uncle Rupee
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It's a false equivalency, made outrageous given the historical context.
Maybe they don't have the money or skill necessary to run the farm properly? You know, because they have been kept out of the industry for generations?
That's bad logic all around. I'm proud of who I am. I'm African American, but you could bet your ass that if I was any other nationality I would still be proud to be me. Why wouldn't I be? Fuck anybody who says otherwise. You can be proud all you want.
Ahh I think I see what they are getting at. But even then I disagree a bit. Have a white pride march all you want. Wouldn't bother me. There is plenty of great history for all nationalities. Everyone has something in their lineage to be proud of.
Money over heritage, apparently.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Do you think she did talk about it in every class? I am not sure because we didn't actually see or hear her classes.. Just seems like one of those things you say..
ThisWreckage
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Read the ratemyprofessor link that was posted or the earlier article where the guy complained against her. She apparently has a history with repeatedly injecting that subject matter into her classes all the time, even when it's not called for it. This doesn't seem to be a one time situation whatsoever.
Uncle Rupee
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That seems to be the complaint. Obviously if it was an isolated instance then they are totally over-reacting but if it was incorporated into every class (and it's not a course tailored specifically to the subject of racism in mass communication) then I could see their point. However it seems commonsense that the subjects of racism and sexism and other major problems should probably be incorporated into such a course.
ThisWreckage
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She was apparently doing it in English classes too which raises an eye brow.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Without a doubt.. I just wish we had more to go on besides ratemyprofessor links..
But pride movements aren't about just "being proud" though. Gay pride movement is not about "being gay is cool, I'm proud of it, let's party wooooo!", it's about people being discriminated against and getting shit because of their sexual preference and trying to do something positive about it. A festive march raises awareness and gives an positive outlet to express frustration/anger regarding those problems and tries to generate sympathy from people outside of that community.
In that context, there's not much sense in doing a white pride march, don't you think?
Reading the course description, I'm kind of curious as to how exactly the subject came up to be honest. Not saying it was without reason or just cause to be discussed, but it seems the concept of this course is to explain how the way news and media are conveyed has grown/evolved. It doesn't seem to directly lend itself to a history lesson on racial issues in the US.
That's the point I tried to make a few posts up. The sentiment behind phrases like "gay pride" or "black pride" or "white pride" isn't done justice by the phrase alone. The sentiment is much heavier than what the words can actually carry, whether the group is the historically oppressed or the historical oppressor.
Yes, but not only that in their extreme lack of foresight there are possible shortages because of their lack of expertise, without sufficient support from the government. Either capital or on how to run a farm.
According to this
You're saying that someone bought something using money, based on the assumption that it had future value, but you are questioning that future value (because why would the seller sell it, if it had future value?). I don't think you understand how any aspect of economics work, based solely on what you just said.
But I'll pose you a question that you can't answer without breaking character, which is converse, but equally valid to the terrible question you posed: why did the 'owners' buy back 30% of the land if it had no value?
If a something that lacks value is sold to by one party in exchange for something of value, one of the parties is not acting rationally. If the sellers had a resource that lacks value, and sold it in exchange for something of value (money, I'm assuming), then discounting any moral implications, they made a good decision.
So regardless of how you look at it, your question, as typed, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Please provide a more logical argument for whatever-on-earth you're trying to say.
Doesn't it? Mass media communication, especially in the US, seems like it would be a pretty likely place to discuss structural racism, especially regarding how it's established and proliferated. Maybe not in an intro course though...
"affect contemporary culture"
"conveying messages to audiences"
Although I'm sure a 1 paragraph course description completely details every facet of every single thing covered in the course.
Uncle Rupee
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So why are you surprised that 30% have been sold back to the white owners? It's no different if you or I were suddenly given a farm - would you know what to do with it? I sure as hell wouldn't. When you think about it, it's amazing that that number isn't higher.
Well that 1 paragraph is the entire course description http://www.minneapolis.edu/~/media/External-Site/Files/Catalog/2012-Courses/Journalism-122412.pdf
Talking about how the newspaper is used to convey messages to an audience and can affect contemporary culture isn't a history lesson on racial issues. The historical side is to develop an understanding what forms of media were used and how. Like I said, I'm not saying it's impossible for the subject matter of racism to be brought up, but it also doesn't seem directly relevant to the core concept of the course, which is just learning of various media types.
Devolution
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Why wouldn't racism or any other kind of discrimination come up in a course about mass communication? It's called mass media representation.
Oh newspapers. These things,
http://news.google.com/newspapers
Read the part you quoted from me that said "Not saying it was without reason or just cause to be discussed"?
edit: since you edited. Read the thing I said again where I outright said I'm not saying it was unjust to bring it up, just that the core purpose of the course seems to be more from a manufacturing and history of how media was developed, less about the messages themselves. Atleast from what I've seen. Not saying the discussion couldn't be directed to that.
curlyfriski
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It's not unusual for a professor to veer wildly away from a course description.
Well shit
I'm not surprised. You don't hire a student fresh out of university to manage a 100 person team. Especially as something important as a farm which produces food and employs dozens of people.
Kanye stans hold out to the last man
Without fail, every single white pride discussion I've seen on the Internet has been primarily "about those fucking Jews conning the white man and cultural Marxism" a picture of someone holding up a picture of a chimp next to a black man's profile, or something about not being a race mixing slut.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
If doing so makes it so they can't handle historical truths..
It's like being proud of winning the lottery.
In which case it's only right that students demand lectures based on the course description. In any case this here seems to be a case of discussing structural racism in every lecture, I don't think they would mind if it was discussed in one or two lectures. But if I take a heat transfer class and the prof keeps talking about fluid dynamics in every lecutre (both of which are related, but not the same) I too would tell him to fuck off.
Apparently.
Devolution
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the actual class might be longer and more detailed than the summary on the website?
wow
such school
so educational
Kind of like the part which I've had to highlight twice now to you where I wasn't disagreeing the material could be brought up in a relevant fashion?
I guess this makes that other thread more relevant.
"how the newspaper is used to convey messages to an audience and can affect contemporary culture"
There's a third one, written in your own words.
Maybe someone has a math equation that can prove that racism could be a valid subject in a Mass Communications class. Or a scientific study or something. It seems, from this short interaction, that you don't understand normal connections between things socially. At least in this instance. The average person can understand how racism could be brought up in a Mass Communications class. The average person who can see the forest for the trees also understands that an extremely, purposefully vague 1 paragraph course description is not going to contain all the detail of everything brought up in the class.
If you cannot understand these simple, obvious things, then you and I are on a completely different planet as far as our understanding of normative human communication.
So you're just choosing to ignore the part where I said it could be brought up in a relevant fashion and was just stating that it was interesting to actually look at what the course is about, instead of making assumptions?
Are you just going to ignore the part where racism affects contemporary culture and conveys messages to audiences. Plenty of room for racism to be brought up, even in that one sentence paragraph.
How am I ignoring it when I agreed it could be relevant? In my first post, and literally every post since then I've agreed it could be made relevant.
curlyfriski
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Science and humanities classes are not comparable in their approach. You have to follow a certain schedule in a physics class because the topic will be necessary knowledge later. A course description for a humanities class is little more than vaguely worded fluff. What's important is that the professor provide, and help students in achieving, critical insight into a topic, not cover a preset list of subjects.
Shake Appeal
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No, it really doesn't.
You left yourself room to concede your doubts, but your later responses are just defensive.
"Maybe it's possible, but I doubt it..."
"I SAID MAYBE IT'S POSSIBLE!"
You just continue to parrot "it's not a history lesson on race issues". Please add "in mass communication" to the end of that phrase to see how foolish it sounds. A history lesson on race issues in mass communication is completely justified, even within that one paragraph description.
Angelus Errare
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Why wouldn't racism or any other kind of discrimination come up in a course about mass communication? It's called mass media representation.
Oh newspapers. These things,
http://news.google.com/newspapers
Apparently cunning negroes were worth more....ain't that some shit.
I'm just amazed that those two have such poor reading comprehension.
edit: to the note of poor reading comprehension, I never said I doubted it. I said I was curious how it came up. Context for a scenario like this is very important. I've had a prof talk about why marijuana should be legal during a lecture about hurricane katrina.
I might be crazy here, but maybe that could come from the fact that while it's indeed possible to talk about race relations in such a class, it's still relatively far removed from the core subject of the course. So it is reasonable to point it out, especially if the teacher has an history of going about her favourite issue in all her classes.
Moff
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For me certainly. Either me or these people dont understand the concept of pride.
I'm proud of things I worked for, achievements in my life.
and not the random chance selection that made me born int he country I was.
that makes me feel lucky, not proud.
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