Werewolf Jones
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It could work but I think better model that would scream Street Fighter x Tekken Mega Man.
LMAO. What is that?
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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LMAO. What is that?
I already addressed that. Again I will post the quote and break it down. Even though I have a feeling it will still be hard for some in to understand.
Sakurai said:
This is not Sakurai stating an opinion of what he THINKS of retro characters. Its what he is planning to do, he is stating a course of action he is going to take. He was stating a opinion and decision based on it that the Animal Crossing series was not going to represented (during brawl dev). That quote up there SHOWS he has MADE UP HIS MIND on a course of action FOR THIS GAME.
Sakurai said:
This shows that Sakurai has similar view points to mine though probably not as extreme. He clearly doesn't want the roster clogged with MORE MARIO, MORE POKEMON, MORE ZELDA. He wants fairness for franchises and fan bases.
Sometimes I wonder if people even care about anything beyond getting a damn character in Smash. I have yet to see people speak of tracks beyond saying that Sonic only brings shitty music with him. Which is a legitimate concern I guess.
It could work but I think better model that would scream Street Fighter x Tekken Mega Man.
is it wrong that i am very desensitized to it at this point? lol
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's Little Mac in Fight Night Round 2.
Nope, many people have been posting this many times so it became running jokes. I hope.
Baron von Loathsome
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Super Smash Bros. or Wii U / 3DS Thread 4: Rosalina the Riveter
Yeah, that quote is why I'm confident that at least one retro character will make it into Smash 4. Takamaru seems to be the likeliest choice.
My Blue Peach one was objectively best.
Exotoro
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Akibastman
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Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 4: Where people argue about Princess Peach's boobs.
careful b4 u incur da raff of coco no E
I was on my way to my illustration final when I first saw this, and I wanted to respond to it. I think I got enough time now.
So lezgo
I kinda wish mario and luigi would get stretched out a tiny bit.
They would match up with the princesses more, i find the princesses to be far more visual pleasing
I think it looks great, I like the clay look. I dunno it seems like great alternative to a character that is supposed to be a "toon" instead of making him cel shade-ey make him clay.
I COMPLETELY AGREE.
He looks kinda off, i have been trying to figure out why, I dunno he looks TOO cartoony. I never thought that would happen. He doesn't even look like lost world or generations. I do not like Smash U sonic
His CG is like WAY better than the actual model.
I agree he looks like Joan Rivers in a sequence tunic
My issue is that that his CG is a way better design that what came out.
If they couldn't reach that, they may have wished to change the design.
His lank is due to his change in his official design
So lezgo
Sakurai kinda has that privilege like other crossover fighting game creators to take some liberties with character design. I do not think its sexualization, if sakurai is anything like me, I think its because in comparison to the guys the boys in mario look weird in 3d. They look a bit off, I guess. The princesses were always closer to their 2d art. I feel like making them a bit more human gives them a more aesthetically pleasing design.Depends on the screenshot and character, I don't feel this artstyle does everything right. I do have a few complaints.
Sexulization
Mario for instance still looks the same as he always has, his designed hasn't really been altered in any way for Smash Bros. U, however, characters like Rosalina and Peach have had them altered in a way I'm not particularly a fond of. "How?" might you ask? Well, take a look at their official art and how they are portrayed in the video games.
In Smash Bros. U there are a few things that happen.
1. Their breast size gets bigger than portrayed elsewhere, much bigger.
2. Their outfits are much more realistic than usual, but also much more skin tight.
3. Their faces are changed so that they lose the cartoony Mario look to make them look "attractive"?
In some aspects with Sakurai has a hold of these characters he's being a fanartist and making them unlike their official appearance. What I don't like is that it's unfair and awkward, I certainly don't play Smash for that, and I think it's weird that only the female characters get this treatment such as the butt shots we've gotten a few times.
I kinda wish mario and luigi would get stretched out a tiny bit.
They would match up with the princesses more, i find the princesses to be far more visual pleasing
Toon Link's Texture
Toon Link looks really weird in my opinion. He looks like play-doh, and his colors are darker than usual for some reason, particularly his skin color.
His skin color in Bloom Waker HD
And what's with his CG, anyways? The lips are so weird...
I think it looks great, I like the clay look. I dunno it seems like great alternative to a character that is supposed to be a "toon" instead of making him cel shade-ey make him clay.
Sonic's Face
I've mentioned this before, but still, his face looks very awkward and unlike Sonic. Unlike Sonic to even Lost World. The peachish colored area of his mouth is way too thick, it's suppose to be much flatter, in this it consumes parts of his eye and has too much depth. The smile is weird too.
I'm also not understanding why Sonic looks like he's 3 years old in some aspects. Another smile I find odd. It looks like a sticker over his mouth.
I COMPLETELY AGREE.
He looks kinda off, i have been trying to figure out why, I dunno he looks TOO cartoony. I never thought that would happen. He doesn't even look like lost world or generations. I do not like Smash U sonic
His CG is like WAY better than the actual model.
Link
This is a big one. The style of Link in Smash Bros. U positively sucks eggs.
His Shield
Like holy crap, the texture on it makes it look like it's not even metal. Not only that, but it looks like it was made by Fisher Price. For some reason the shield has depth to it and engravings, I don't understand why it looks very odd and shields shouldn't have such things anyways for blocking purposes. Know what's hilarious about all of this? the 3DS does it better.
His Hair
His hair looks like he tried to dye it brown but ended up messing up because he slipped into the toilet bowl.
His Face
Probably the most bizarre thing is Link's face. He looks like Roseanne Barr or something.
His lips are far too thick, his eye textures look awful for an official game, and his face isn't leveled enough on all sides where it looks right.
His Clothes
Is Link a hobo now? or is this someone cosplaying him in outfits he bought on eBay?
1. Why is his outfit so blueish?
2. Why does the texture of his clothes (all of them) look like it's made of plastic?
Seriously it looks like he's not Link but someone cosplaying him.
Overall with the color sapped out of Link for unknown reasons and the spotty design overall, he looks like crap.
I agree he looks like Joan Rivers in a sequence tunic
Donkey Kong
With this look they tried to make him look realistic but....give him poofy hair? Not sure why we're giving him poofy hair all of a sudden but OK.
At first glance you might notice his forearms, shoulders, and head. It looks like they tried to go hyper realistic with it but in turn it looks below even Wii U level. I also find it looks real spotty all around because the hair seems to be going in 3 different directions in one spot all over. Here's a pic of Donkey Kong by Retro on Wii U.
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More importantly, what the heck is with his mouth and face? Are you a duck, Donkey Kong?
And they also made his eyes either too tall or too wide that I can tell. He looks like he has crazy eyes compared to how he looks elsewhere.
Let's not get started on the 3DS version looking like youknowhat.
My issue is that that his CG is a way better design that what came out.
If they couldn't reach that, they may have wished to change the design.
Pikachu
He is incredibly long for some reason. Looks very odd and creepy.
His mouth looks like a sticker and his face lacks any features Pikachu is known for so even his eyes look like stickers. His head is probably one of the most laziest things I've seen in Smash Bros. U.
Those are some of my complaints, but I've more or less accepted that this is what we'll be getting already.
His lank is due to his change in his official design
Are you serious dude? There have been some great music dicussions in here so far. People posting their favorite tracks they want to hear in the game. What is your point exactly? I can never tell....
BassForever
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I like the Sakurai plz as the next ot title
Akibastman
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I wish Smash Bros was more open to third party characters that made Nintendo's history.
The game should have a Castlevania rep, a Street Fighter II rep, Professor Layton, Cooking Mama, stuff like that.
But if they go that way, Ryu Hayabusa should be in and it's not the best idea.
The game should have a Castlevania rep, a Street Fighter II rep, Professor Layton, Cooking Mama, stuff like that.
But if they go that way, Ryu Hayabusa should be in and it's not the best idea.
Well since I'm listening to it right now, I might as well post a song I really want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwvA3ywRNqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwvA3ywRNqg
I disagree, I like how they're mostly keeping it a Nintendo club. Sakurai has been very smart when picking third party characters. Mega Man and Sonic blend so well into the Nintendo universe and don't seem out of place at all. If I didn't know better, I would have no idea they weren't made by the same company. Snake stuck out like a sore thumb though, I'd be glad to see him go.
I'm gonna tell myself that this is the default theme on the Uprising stage for the 3DS version until the last moment.
Snake fit in pretty well with the muted and awkwardly gritty Brawl renditions of the characters, though.
I kind of want to see him return as a stylized Nintendoverse character now.
Akibastman
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I was saying that it'd be cool but a bad idea in the end, so I'm not totally disagreeing with you. Sakurai knows what he's doing, he has all my trust.
But I like Snake. It's Smash Bros, it's totally random. That's something I like about this game.
I still think Layton and Cooking Mama should be in. They're Nintendo exclusive, have a lot of games in their franchises, are big hits and could have funny movesets. Probably won't happen though.
Polioliolio
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I agree with a lot of this.. I made the point of how Princess Peach looked so much more realistic than Mario... But even Mario looks off. His head his enormous compared to Peach and her body, for example. I wondered why the characters don't look like this ->
Because that would look fabulous.
Link does look awful. Just wish they would use his Skyward Sword style... Come on Sakurai, what is that weird Elf hentai shit you have there.
Toon Link doesn't look too bad, but I agree, he seems off... and he has that weird broke back spine.
Sonic does look kind of bad as well... I thought from the beginning, "Why does it look like I can peel off the skin of his mouth area?" Why is that sticking up like it's been set there like clay onto his head? His blue fur should be sticking out beyond his skin.. It looks bad.. Though, I've seen that in the official Sonic games too.
The mouth does look like a flat texture, and bad.
You've got me thinking again how the game would look a lot better if the characters all resembled themselves a little bit more. The game could benefit from unifying their styles just a tiny bit, at least as far as color palette, but not to this extreme.. What they've done with Peach and Link is more like cosplay than a slightly redesigned character.
Hm...
link and fox were the most disappointing characters in terms of looks
i've expected them to be done with fox's command design forever, but they kept it and not to mention the model itself doesn't look that good because of the terrible teeth and the terrible arm texture... the design in general is just plain weird looking too.
link looks really out of place, not a fan of the palette at all, and the face bugs me, even in CG trailers he looked really off. i wonder if they should've gone with OoT Link? i think he'd fit in perfectly, but of course there's other options
i've expected them to be done with fox's command design forever, but they kept it and not to mention the model itself doesn't look that good because of the terrible teeth and the terrible arm texture... the design in general is just plain weird looking too.
link looks really out of place, not a fan of the palette at all, and the face bugs me, even in CG trailers he looked really off. i wonder if they should've gone with OoT Link? i think he'd fit in perfectly, but of course there's other options
The only thing I think you're correct on. Other than that, your made me appreciate the graphical improvements much more! Thanks.
Starphoenix
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Layton, Pacman and Dragon Quest are the only series that should crossover if Sakurai was still looking for some guest characters. Everything else is trash or hasn't been relative to Nintendo for over a decade and a half.
Just Pac-Man. Screw the rest.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Ace Attorney?
OrangeGrayBlue
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I actually feel that every design aside from Link's is a solid improvement over Brawl's. Peach, Samus and Toon Link especially.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Right before E3, someone posted on GAF a "prediction" they thought was "unlikely," and their prediction was those six would be shown.
That person was the only person on the Internet to "guess" Wii Fit Trainer. Also one of the few to "guess" Villager, since Sakurai had previously ruled out the idea of AC having playable reps. And he had Mega Man in there, as well. The post was not edited. It was posted right before E3 and hasn't been changed since.
The fact that we see a Punch-Out-esque arena (same environmental detail as the game), and we know there's a Find Mii level, and of course the Wuhu Island level, seem to add further credence to Little Mac and Mii.
And Pac-Man? As I said before:
When one media outlet interviewed Sakurai at E3, they asked about Pac-Man, and Sakurai coyly replied with a question of his own: "How would YOU implement Pac-Man?" And the interviewer -- maybe it was Richard George, with IGN at the time -- said he'd go the classic route with the black eyes, and for his Final Smash he'd power up and chase the others around the screen like classic Pac-Man. Sakurai agreed it was a good idea. The implication, it was said at the time, was Sakurai was already thinking along these lines.
The thing about Pac-Man is he's one of the most well-known videogame characters of all time. He's an ICON. The legacy factor alone justifies him. Aside from being one of the great-granddaddies of the arcade scene, right up there with Donkey Kong, Pac-Man has some quality offerings in the here and now -- the Championship Editions are excellent, and for Nintendo's part, he continues to star in the arcade Mario Karts, and previously headlined Pac-Man Vs., the darling of Miyamoto's eyes and the Nintendo game that would serve as a prototype for the WiiU's defining feature (asymmetric play).
Consider also that Pac-Man is the mascot of Namco, which is lending an unprecedented level of support to the development of this game. The stars are all in Pac-Man's favor.
What about his move-set potential? He can launch himself forward like a human cannonball. He can dribble himself like a basketball. He can chomp and chew enemies before spitting them back up. He can spit out pellets like watermelon seeds, or belch up ghosts. Best of all, he could tuck in his arms and legs and "wakka wakka wakka" through the air, moving like classic arcade Pac-Man. You could even alter his flight path by 90 degrees, making him go up, down, left and right -- altering his path mid-flight to pursue fleeing enemies.
There is PLENTY that could be done with Pac-Man. Trust me, if Sakurai could figure out a full move-set for Wii Fit Trainer (and he has), then he can easily devise a compelling move-set for one of gaming's most well-known and best-beloved mascots.
Really great post Neiteio
The amount of people falling for the sexualization bait is astonishing. Quite a good laugh.
Careful with that word choice.
Careful with that word choice.
I agree. Especially Bowser improved a lot. I don't think Link is that bad either.
It could work but I think better model that would scream Street Fighter x Tekken Mega Man.
Why do people keep posting this!? GAHHH my eyes ><
Exotoro
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
why do people who are attracted to fictional characters bother you, brotha
'@'
OrangeGrayBlue
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YES! My very first comment upon playing Melee, because I picked Bowser first, was that he runs like a vaccuum. So glad they changed not only his look but his posture and movement.
I don't, it was more along the lines that because he said that Kokonoe would show up.
LouieGeetoo
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Agreed on pretty much all respects.
But you forgot Bowser:
It's Bowser! (Mario Kart DS render)
What a guy! (Mario Tennis Open)
That's our Koopa King! (Super Mario 3D World)
WTF is that? They at least fixed his colors coming from Brawl, but why does he now look like someone wearing a bad Bowser costume? The eyes are too far apart, he's too thin or something, and his stances are all wrong. Or maybe it's just that his eye pupils are too inhuman and his arms are too long. (Smash 4)
Sakurai, we won't think it's lazy if you just take the official character models from other games and tweak them a little bit. In fact, please do! They should keep the Brawl animations but substitute in the real models, and done.