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Durante pls: Metal Gear Rising PC won't support higher resolutions than 1080p
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that was funny because that tweet taken out of context like that was pretty terrible.
now this is better.
Do tell them.
PC gaming scales, that makes it awesome. You're doing it wrong, if your game is limiting resolution or framerate.
120fps support would be really, really appreciated.
I own a 120hz monitor and many other PC gamers do as well.
It elevates games to a whole new level of smooth and every time a game releases that has a capped framerate it's a bitter disappointment because I know how great it looks at 120fps.
Also, this is one I don't expect to get as hard of a push but just something I personally love, 3D Vision support in games. As long as it's at least possible, it's not unlikely that modders like Helix will get it working correctly, but at least being 3D vision toggleable would be super helpful.
Uncapped framerate to allow 120fps support and 3D Vision are my two biggest features that help take a game from a good port to a fantastic port for me.
While I think that the shit JP has been getting was completely out of hand, I absolutely think they need to be made aware of these issues for their future ports.
I mean, my monitor is only 1080p but I'm the first one to complain about 60hz locks in PC games. And often people would ask me why I care, 60fps is 'good enough' after all. Sure it is, but I'd prefer 120. This applies to MGR as well, but I thankfully haven't read about a framerate lock yet.
In the end I don't personally get worked up over something that will probably get fixed rather quickly whether Durante does it or not, but I definitely believe Platinum should be informed what people want even if it's a minority.
Kacho
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My apologies if my comment offended you. I just feel like Durante is being taken advantage of at times. Like, we shouldn't have to rely on him for this stuff.
Anyway, I appreciate you clarifying. The tweet taken out of context seemed way worse than it was. Much love for you guys. MGR rocks and can't wait to play it again on PC.
Don't worry JP we all still love you and appreciate that you're taking the time to communicate with us.
Though I will ask this. Is there any support for 16:10 resolutions at all? Seeing as that is quite a common monitor aspect ratio.
Thanks to you and all the guys at Platinum Games. 9th Jan can't come soon enough.
Exactly! But figuring out how big that minority is, that is the tough part. The more you can all teach me, the more I can share and make things better moving forward!
1080p really isn't that bad, but people prefer to use their native resolution, so it does need other options.
Wait, people were using 1600p as their default resolution over a decade ago? That would be a 16:10 aspect ratio. So people were using widescreen flat screen(?) panels also. And I'm not even talking gaming...
I never realised so many people had super computers back in 2002.
Wait, people were using 1600p as their default resolution over a decade ago? That would be a 16:10 aspect ratio. So people were using widescreen flat screen(?) panels also. And I'm not even talking gaming...
I never realised so many people had super computers back in 2002.
It's relatively simple to have directx just pull the available resolutions from windows and make them available. Having a resolution limit of any kind is actual more work then just letting it be whatever is available.
Crab Milk Mickey
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I'm not disagreeing with the notion that the developers should've had more foresight in those instances, but I can think of far worse ports than these "OMG 1080P/60FPS ONLY?! HORRIBLE!" posts try to make Revengeance out to be. Dark Souls, Deadly Premonition, Typing of the Dead: Overkill each had less options but (the existence of hackjob fixes notwithstanding) were still playable by-and-large, albeit with inferior image quality. Castlevania: Lords of Shadows was a relatively basic port job too in terms of overall tweaking ability. Even recent simple indie games (PC exclusive or otherwise) lack even simpler options; launch day Hotline Miami for starters. Meanwhile you also have some big-budget titles that are PC-oriented by nature with (nearly) all the common options you'd expect in this day and age, but rendered utterly unplayable due to the developer's ineptitude (Battlefield 4 among other EA games and Diablo III). Now that's something worth getting legitimately upset about.
Again: if higher resolutions can be added to MGR: R in a short timespan, then I also have to wonder why the devs didn't to it themselves in the first place. But given that the game went through a messy development process in the first place and was meant for consoles only originally, I wouldn't be so surprised if there's something that wouldn't make this as practical as it otherwise ought to be. Not that I (much like nearly everyone else in here) know much about coding anyways.
I asked the producer for a supported resolution list, and all the standard 16:10 steps below 1080p were on there. So yes, there is 16:10 support.
Larger than you might think. People will quote steam surveys but only a percentage of steam users complete them.
People running these resolutions will only grow year after year. Not placing arbitrary restrictions, like resolution limits, helps give your games on PC value even after the upgrades come and go.
The producer needs to know that such "resolution list" is a thing provided by the Direct3D API itself then, not something the game itself needs to have. Make sure to let him know that first and foremost. With that I would be satisfied enough, unlocked framerates is stuff that would take far more effort than that and could probably just be supported later if the port does well enough.
I would rather no port at all. I have a 1440P monitor. Playing at 1080P is not even an option. Have you ever played anything in non-native resolution? It looks like utter shit.
I don't buy in to this whole "cut them some slack" bullshit. By doing this, all you are doing is enabling them to perpetuate their poor business practices in the future.
I was going to grab the game while it was on sale, but glad i tripped over this thread first.
TyrantGuardian
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JP, first of all, thanks for posting. PC enthusiasts value good communication from developers a huge lot. We're used to our favourite developers taking the time to refine their games on the technical side of things based on customer feedback, and it's great to hear that you will possibly forward our requests to the dev team.
Don't get discouraged by some of the negative remarks from people, it's just a reflection of the way PC ports have been treated in the past. As long as you guys take the time and effort to support your games with seemingly niche features, I assure you that it will pay off in terms of respect and word-of-mouth from the PC gaming community.
Don't get discouraged by some of the negative remarks from people, it's just a reflection of the way PC ports have been treated in the past. As long as you guys take the time and effort to support your games with seemingly niche features, I assure you that it will pay off in terms of respect and word-of-mouth from the PC gaming community.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Oh, I forgot about that. As awesome as the closing song is an option to skip would be nice.jp, I hope you can skip the credits this time
Her, actually. And she is razor smart. You can share with her, POLITELY, at @pg_narita. But she doesn't speak English, so be polite and use simple English. I'll follow up as best I can.
Robobandit
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I game at 2560x1440... 1920x1080 looks horrible blown up full screen on my monitor.
If support becomes available for my resolution, I will purchase the game.
I'm happy that you guys got it running at 1080p 60 fps for a GTX 650, but you (collectively) can do better!
While we're asking for things... how about some SLI support?
blainethemono
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Basically this. Personally 1080p is enough for me right now, but in the future it probably won't be. 5, maybe 10 years from now i'll feel like going back and playing Revengeance, and I don't know what kind of rig i'll have or what my native resolution will be, but I don't want it to be a situation akin to playing a 480p game on a 1080p monitor or some shit. This is one of the biggest reasons I prefer PC gaming in general.
Polite? We are animals! ZANDATSUUUUUU!!!!
Really? I'm seeing really positive responses to PGs posts in this thread so far.
lol "garbage"
Felix Lighter
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It is significant, especially when we're talking about the most enthusiastic gamers. Steam surveys aren't going to show the whole picture because your game is going to target a specific segment of those users. The most important part to keep in mind is how truly bad scaling up from 1080p looks on a fixed pixel LCD monitor. So it isn't just people wanting it to look way better. In most of these cases, those higher than 1080p monitors are going to look much much worse than a native 1080p monitor just due to the poor scaling. Better equipment resulting in poorer quality visuals.
Well even if it doesn't apply to this case I'll use the 60fps lock thing as an example. A few years ago we were in a phase where 120hz CRTs were almost nonexistent and most people were using 60hz LCDs, anything above was rare or expensive. Whenever I'd complain on forums about a game having locked 60fps I'd get a chorus of 'So what?', for example with Sonic Generations.
Yet now, 120hz monitors are getting more and more common and I start to see more people sharing my sentiments. Just because everyone has 1080p monitors right now doesn't mean that's always going to be the case, maybe in a year or two we'll start seeing dirt cheap 1440p 120hz monitors and suddenly that'll be the thing that shows up more on steam surveys. Scalability is a huge deal for PC gamers.
Does it really matter when it's such a trivial fix? Supporting arbitrary resolutions can be implemented in only a few minutes when you have access to the source code.
Lots of Steam games themselves don't think of resolutions greater than 1080p, so this is not the best metric to go by.
some people have a real problem accepting something they see as inferior when real improvement is so readily achieved.
I appreciate the communication!
I'm hoping PG take away from this that the PC is built to fit many different people's PCs.
The type of people to buy a game like MGR on PC are the type of people who choose to play on PC instead of a console because they have choices in how they play their games.
There a few fundamental settings that need to be scalable, and one of those is resolution. It's standard for games these days to list pretty much any resolution being advertised by the OS and have the ability to use it.
I don't expect PG to have ultra high resolution textures specially made for PC, or other special scalable effects (although I wouldn't say no
). Just the fundamentals such as resolution - because people playing your game on a monitor that supports higher than that, and a different aspect ratio won't have a particularly great experience if the game is running at a non-native resolution and a non-native aspect ratio.Another benefit of the PC platform is the shelf-life of your games. You could still be getting a few sales here and there from this game on PC in 5 - 10 years, and people revisiting this game, I have many games that are 10 years old or so that support 1080p and higher and is a great reason for me to decide to go back and play it.
I have pre-ordered the game, I currently game at 1080p but plan to move up to 1440p - so it isn't a problem for me at the moment. I am appreciative that the game is coming out on PC, I just hope the thought isn't "Well, if we see enough people wanting to play above 1080p, then we should support it" - it should be "We are building a game for PC, we should build cater to the basic realities of the platform - that some things such as resolution isn't standard among PC gamers."
Super excited to play the game though, I have the consoles but held off due to the hope it would come to PC!
No, it does. If you're playing a much lower resolution at a DIFFERENT ASPECT RATIO. It does.
He isn't saying 1080p looks like "garbage" he is saying it looks like garbage on a PC monitor that has a native resolution of 2560x1600 and 16:10 aspect ratio. Playing your games at native resolution is a lot more important on PC than it is on consoles, we don't have the same resolution upscaling (at least not in widespread use) that consoles use.
Oh yes. This was annoying when you wanted to practice on the final boss.
I was referring to Twitter. Yeah, now that JP entered the thread people magically changed their behaviour. It's a Christmas miracle.
This is why Devs tend to stay the fuck away from GAF.
but PG is full of hot blooded motherfuckers.
Question for PGJP, how was your guys experience in porting the game to PC? besides the obvious complaints right now does it make you hopeful for future projects?
Robobandit
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Context usually helps... and being rude to another gaffer in a thread here is hazardous to one's account.
You mean that now that there is actual communication between people the tone is more balanced ? So much suprise, many strange.
Yeah. I totally get you. I bought the first 1080P TV on the market, and the video unit couldn't accept 1080p inputs as HDMI wasn't mature enough yet. I had to buy a DVDO scaling video processor, which cost more than most gaming PCs at the time. So I know the struggle. I also know that I was in a fringe of a fringe. I need to explain/prove that crazy video options aren't a fringe, but a sizable chunk of the scene. That is what convinces Japanese devs.
Please let them know. You guys would be surprised how easy it is to run console ports above 1080p and 60FPS.
The hardware surveys won't show the correct information since people commonly run resolutions higher than their 1080p monitor can support through downsampling.
Thanks for listening and let them know this is a huge issue!
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well I'm sure she'll get someone to clarify if it was all just a big misunderstanding. PG seems more open about potential problems than Rising Star and Namco thus far.