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Hot Coffee settlement = free monies for everyone! Potential $1.5 billion fee for T2

Zenith

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It's not often that People Magazine and video games have a lot in common, but in the February 4th issue (the one with Heath Ledger on the cover ... tragic) if you flip to page 50 there an interesting Legal Notice concerning one Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.

Just in case you forgot in 2007 Rockstar Games proposed a settlement for a class action lawsuit concerning the infamous Hot Coffee modification. As a result any US citizen who was officially "offended and upset" by the ability to unlock this hidden content can now claim up to $35 in compensation.

The exact amount you may be entitled depends upon directly upon how much documentation you have of your "outrage":

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas First Edition Disc: Replacement Disc
Detailed Store Receipt: Cash payment up to $35.00
General Credit Card Statement or Check: Cash payment up to $17.50
Disc/Purchase Details: Cash payment up to $10.00
No Disc/Purchase Details: Cash payment up to $5.00
Full details on the program can be found at GTASettlement.com and you must submit your claim by May 16, 2008 to be eligible for compensation.


population of US (300,000,000) * 5 bucks = $1,500,000,000

note that you might face a perjury charge but seeing as they don't require any evidence...

from the court notice:

You are not a Settlement Class Member if you are:
• an authorized reseller of the game;
• a current or former employee of Defendants; and/or
• a person or entity that has previously released Defendants from liability concerning the claims in this case, between August, 2004 and the date on which the Court preliminarily approves this proposed settlement.

In order to receive any benefits – a replacement disc and/or cash – you must file a Claim Form and swear under penalty of perjury that you:

• Bought a Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas First Edition Disc before July 20, 2005;
• Were offended and upset by the ability of consumers to use third party software and/or hardware to modify and alter the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas First Edition Disc to display the Hot Coffee content;
• Would not have bought the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas First Edition Disc had you known that consumers could modify and alter the game content; and
• Upon learning the game could be modified and altered, would have returned it to the place of purchase for a refund if you thought this was possible.

A Claim Form is included with this Notice; you may also download a Claim Form at www.gtasettlement.com. Read the instructions carefully, fill out the form, and return the completed Claim Form by May 16, 2008.

and the actual website here
http://www.gtasettlement.com/Default.htm

details
http://www.gtasettlement.com/docs/GTANotice.pdf

for US citizens only, submit a form online with your selected claim & "evidence". if this settlement goes through we'll all have a minimum of 5 whole dollars.

oh, and I'm sure there are some legitimate claimants who'll be able to get the full $35 cash prize.
 
I own a copy of the PC version that still had the content in it.

Normally I would be opposed to taking advantage of a video game company like this, but seriously, fuck R*. Their attention whoring antics really just make gamers look worse, in the long run.
 
As a result any US citizen who was officially "offended and upset" by the ability to unlock this hidden content can now claim up to $35 in compensation.

WHat? only way to see it if you wanted too ...
 
I would take the 35 bucks and put it towards GTAIV, but I don't have my first edition copy or a receipt from like 3 and a half years ago. Oh wellz
 
Stumpokapow said:
You're a fucking asshole if you cash in on this.

Why?

Rockstar LIED to the ESRB by not disclosing this. IF they had told the ESRB about it, but how it was inaccessible without modifying the game everything would have been okay, just like with the Manhunt 2 filters.

Instead, they didn't tell the ESRB about it, which is tantamount to lying, since the ESRB asks directly for anything like this to be disclosed, and because of their lie, they raked the entire pass-time of gaming through the coals for a couple of months, and even still left a bad taste in the mouths of many.
 
No one is going to get $35 for this. Most class action law suits only benefit lawyers. Everything says up to $ amount. But anyone claiming will get much less. If anyone got the notice about overpriced CDs or diamonds, they tell you there is a total compensation limit, so it is whatever that limit, maybe $10M divided by the number of people that claim it.

This is just a big lawyer payoff and people will get jack.
 
Evander said:
Why?

Rockstar LIED to the ESRB by not disclosing this. IF they had told the ESRB about it, but how it was inaccessible without modifying the game everything would have been okay, just like with the Manhunt 2 filters.

Instead, they didn't tell the ESRB about it, which is tantamount to lying, since the ESRB asks directly for anything like this to be disclosed, and because of their lie, they raked the entire pass-time of gaming through the coals for a couple of months, and even still left a bad taste in the mouths of many.

Oh my god...
 
Evander said:
What?

Rockstar pulls this sort of shit all the time for the free publicity.

They make us all look bad.

Why should they be encouraged?

Drama Queen much. The whole things was overblown and complete garbage. I guess Bioware deserves the same for making us look bad with Mass Effect.
 
Evander said:
What?

Rockstar pulls this sort of shit all the time for the free publicity.

They make us all look bad.

Why should they be encouraged?
you can't even get to the hot coffee portion without a mod of some sort, so what's the point?
 
darscot said:
Drama Queen much. The whole things was overblown and complete garbage. I guess Bioware deserves the same for making us look bad with Mass Effect.

Not at all.

The point of Hot Coffee, from a gaming perspective, is that Rockstar neglected to inform the ESRB about a disabled explicit minigame. If they had bothered to just tell the ESRB, everything would have been okay, but they didn't bother, and caused a lot of shit because of it, and made the ESRB, and industry in general, look like fool who were unable to police themselves.

All of the shit with Mass Effect, and Manhunt 2, was again media blowing shit out of proportion, but in those cases the ESRB was ready with reports of "we know exactly what is in the game, and you're wrong."

They couldn't say that about the Hot Coffee, because Rockstar thought they were too special to have to inform anyone.
 
Evander said:
Why?

Rockstar LIED to the ESRB by not disclosing this. IF they had told the ESRB about it, but how it was inaccessible without modifying the game everything would have been okay, just like with the Manhunt 2 filters.

Instead, they didn't tell the ESRB about it, which is tantamount to lying, since the ESRB asks directly for anything like this to be disclosed, and because of their lie, they raked the entire pass-time of gaming through the coals for a couple of months, and even still left a bad taste in the mouths of many.

OMG its JACK THOMPSON
 
Wait wait wait, so if I have a reciept of my copy, I can send it in & get $35?

Just like that? I don't have to turn in my copy to them as well?
 
Loudninja said:
Oh my god...

but he's right. I won't go for the cash but Rockstar did lie. did you not see their press release saying the Hot Coffee content was created entirely by "hackers"? and then it was proved the code was still present in the PS2 version. even gaming media sites were down on them for that.
 
Evander said:
Not at all.

The point of Hot Coffee, from a gaming perspective, is that Rockstar neglected to inform the ESRB about a disabled explicit minigame. If they had bothered to just tell the ESRB, everything would have been okay, but they didn't bother, and caused a lot of shit because of it, and made the ESRB, and industry in general, look like fool who were unable to police themselves.

All of the shit with Mass Effect, and Manhunt 2, was again media blowing shit out of proportion, but in those cases the ESRB was ready with reports of "we know exactly what is in the game, and you're wrong."

They couldn't say that about the Hot Coffee, because Rockstar thought they were too special to have to inform anyone.


More like Rockstar was the first and after that people were more careful. You act like this couldn't have been a simple error maybe Rockstar didn't realize it was still in the damn game. I could put offensive content in a game in about 2 minutes. Does that mean the company I work for gives the industry and gamers a bad name when they dont tell ESRB. Your talking out your ass.
 
Anybody that collects that better not ever cry about games getting censored/Jack Thompson/ESRB stuff/piracy stealing dev dollars again.

Just says that the loonies,prudes, and pirates are right.
 
For 35 bucks, I just might do it.
I don't even have a PS2 to play it anymore.
 
Damn, my copy of SA got broken so I sold it off. I did actually buy the game, so I can legally claim $5. Also, they know that everyone didn't buy that game. So if they get over 10 million people claiming it, they know most are bullshiting.
 
darscot said:
More like Rockstar was the first and after that people were more careful. You act like this couldn't have been a simple error maybe Rockstar didn't realize it was still in the damn game. I could put offensive content in a game in about 2 minutes. Does that mean the company I work for gives the industry and gamers a bad name when they dont tell ESRB. Your talking out your ass.

This was NOT the first time. And even if it had been the first time in the video game industry, movies and rock, and comic books have all been through this before enough times for EVERYONE to know better by now.

First off, this is no "simple" error. It created an ACTUAL threat to the industry in the form of potential governmental control of content levels. Anyone with any sense will tell you, when it comes to ANYTHING questionable, when in doubt, disclose. Whether it was Rockstar up to their old antics, or it was genuine neglect on their part, they deserve to have very real consequences levied against them for threatening the industry in this way.



And let's stop pretending Rockstar are innocent. We're talking about the same company that wanted to sue EA/Fox over the GTA parody level in The Simpsons Game. They are attention whores of the highest degree. The only reason they ever look good is because ANYONE looks good compared to Jack Thompson.
 
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Evander said:
Why?

Rockstar LIED to the ESRB by not disclosing this. IF they had told the ESRB about it, but how it was inaccessible without modifying the game everything would have been okay, just like with the Manhunt 2 filters.

Instead, they didn't tell the ESRB about it, which is tantamount to lying, since the ESRB asks directly for anything like this to be disclosed, and because of their lie, they raked the entire pass-time of gaming through the coals for a couple of months, and even still left a bad taste in the mouths of many.

You're right. Rockstar substantially violated the ESRB guidelines. In fact, so substantially that if the ESRB had fined them, I'd totally get that.

... how does this involve you or me again? Because gamers are harmed by the fact that someone in gaming broke the rules and now some people think everyone broke the rules? That doesn't even make any sense.

Can I get a settlement from Bridgestone because of the defective tires? I never owned Bridgestone tires, but I do drive a car and for a while there there some real worries about tire safety.

Alternatively, NBC needs to pay a fine from showing an ass on Law and Order. It's pretty much the same scenario--it's a show that generally has mature content that viewers are aware of. There's a rating system to prove that. Should NBC owe me money? I didn't watch Law and Order; if I was going to now, it'd be intentionally, and even though they did not disclose that particular piece of mature content, no one should be mortified or surprised from the experience? In fact, Hot Coffee has an additional level of absurdity; it required a patch or game altering device to trigger the minigame! So it'd be like if Law and Order put up a screen that said "If you want to see an ass, press the 9 button on your remote" and I pressed "9" and when the ass popped up, I complained.

When a professional wrestler is caught using steroids, should they have to pay fans? Should they have to pay fans of rival wrestling leagues who are only affected by the nebulous charge that their hobby has been tarnished? That their hobby may someday be subject to regulation as a result of the action?

Should I be able to sue a tattooist who infects a patient because my father got a tattoo from another tattooist and tattooists being careless might lead to further regulation of the tattoo industry (which is not at all regulated where I live)?

The list goes on and on for how absurd this process is. We get it. You hate Rockstar. They're jerks. Being jerks does not legally constitute jack squat.

The only customer harmed in such a way that they deserve (ethically or legally) compensation from this scandal is a consumer who genuinely bought a game understanding and admitting the violent content... somehow accidentally activated Hot Coffee not at all being aware of the type of content in it... and was so sexually puritanical that they were caused legitimate distress from seeing pixels for a few seconds.

Anyone who is "harmed" on behalf of a hypothetical other deserves nothing. Anyone who is harmed and intentionally triggered Hot Coffee deserves nothing. Anyone who is harmed and did not read or understand the existing level of content deserves nothing.

Do we really believe that anyone out there somehow ACCIDENTALLY downloaded the codes to activate hot coffee, put it on their Action Replay, turned it on, activated the game, and honestly didn't know what the fuck they were doing?

Furthermore, do you agree with the arguments made since Hot Coffee that games ought to be punished if user created mods remove blur filters or clothing textures to reveal nude models, either anatomically correct or barbie-style? Even if you agree with fining the company, would you believe that gamers deserve compensation for this? Even ones that didn't buy the game but who are harmed merely because one of their hobbies has a controversy surrounding it?

Finally, even assuming that you accept all previous premises, how does one define the punitive damages necessary for such intangible damage as "my hobby is negatively impacted by their actions"? Can I sue Dennis Dyack for being a blowhard, or Gabe Newell for being fat, or another gamer for being a basement-dwelling nerd, or Tabris for being an idiot? Since when does "my hobby was embarassed" constitute standing for damages?

This lawsuit is a subversion of the class action process and the tort system in general. It's a legal and ethical disgrace. Anyone who profits from this is a fucking asshole.
 
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