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Feel like I'm gonna explode. Patience with people/life is basically non-existent. I can get super pissed off/worked up about nothing. Car in front going 58km/hr and not 60, which is the limit? Fuck you, asshole, people have places to go and things to do. People walking slowly? You deserve a punch in the back of the head. Home phone ringing (because my cell phone never rings lol)? What the fuck do you people want? Start a new video game and I get an intro movie to explain something? Fuck this game, I quit, nobody wants to watch a fucking cutscene. It makes 0 sense. I'm mad at myself for getting mad at nothing, and that makes the anger that much more powerful.

Had a shit dream last night which led to me starting the day off on the wrong foot. (Anxiety, anxiety everywhere.) The motivation to get anything done is simply not there, so really, screw school right now.

I feel so burnt out and I don't know why. I want to get away from everything for a year, but running away won't solve anything. I'm just too tired to keep this up, though.
 
I don't know where to begin with the hemp oil thing. First of all, hemp oil contains extremely trace amounts of THC. What's being described is cannabis oil, which IS just like what people smoke. It's just the active ingredients extracted into an oil. You are high, it's a very mild high but a high nevertheless. Most people feel good when they're high. I guess you can see it as a medication. At least it has a well-documented active ingredient unlike what's in some of the nutritional supplements that have been recommended in this thread. If it works for you then more power to you.
 
I don't know where to begin with the hemp oil thing. First of all, hemp oil contains extremely trace amounts of THC. What's being described is cannabis oil, which IS just like what people smoke. It's just the active ingredients extracted into an oil. You are high, it's a very mild high but a high nevertheless. Most people feel good when they're high. I guess you can see it as a medication. At least it has a well-documented active ingredient unlike what's in some of the nutritional supplements that have been recommended in this thread. If it works for you then more power to you.

THC gives the psychoactive high, CBD has pain-killing, anti-inflammatory properties. I'm not sure I can think that getting something with THC in it will help, but I'd be more apt to think it could be helpful if it was just CBD as CBD on it's own has studies of not being damaging to mental health. CBD is in stuff like flax oil too and doesn't do the psychoactive high.
 
I was depressed a bit today. Then my housemate showed me a video of this guy who is in an "emotional and sexual relationship with his car". It was humorous, disturbing and made me realize my notions of "rock bottom" are WAY off. I know this does not work for everyone and sometimes can have the opposite effect, but exposing yourself to people with far harder/worse lives can often knock you out of a depressed state.

Lol... what a coincidence: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=752222
 
I was depressed a bit today. Then my housemate showed me a video of this guy who is in an "emotional and sexual relationship with his car". It was humorous, disturbing and made me realize my notions of "rock bottom" are WAY off. I know this does not work for everyone and sometimes can have the opposite effect, but exposing yourself to people with far harder/worse lives can often knock you out of a depressed state.

Lol... what a coincidence: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=752222

I watched part of that episode. Whatever "I'll accept you for who you are" speech the dad had worked up flew out the window when the guy told him that it was his car. I love how he kept repeating "You're in an intimate relationship...with your car...your car?"
 
This year has started off terrible: computer crapped out, car stuck several time, multiple day arguments with my roommate, and becoming ever more distant with my once closest friend. I feel lonely, depressed, and am having suicidal thoughts. I don't think I'll act on them as I've grown resilient: it takes a major event to trigger an attempt. I haven't done so in almost 5 years.

That said, I'm not sure what I'm living for. My many health problems from bi-polar to IBS for years now make everything feel difficult, especially connecting with people. My mother is the only person I believe will always be there; so many others have abandoned me. I feel I've already missed the best opportunities of my life to form new friendships. I'm behind in everything. Right now I can't see much reason for being alive. Why?

Despite how low my self-esteem is I still have the potential to do great things. No matter how much I try to move forward the past still weighs me down. Recovery isn't going as quickly as I want. I see my psychiatrist in early February and hopefully my counselor at the same time.

Fuck, now I'm crying.
 
I watched part of that episode. Whatever "I'll accept you for who you are" speech the dad had worked up flew out the window when the guy told him that it was his car. I love how he kept repeating "You're in an intimate relationship...with your car...your car?"

I can't imagine what was going through his (the father's) head.

This year has started off terrible: computer crapped out, car stuck several time, multiple day arguments with my roommate, and becoming ever more distant with my once closest friend. I feel lonely, depressed, and am having suicidal thoughts. I don't think I'll act on them as I've grown resilient: it takes a major event to trigger an attempt. I haven't done so in almost 5 years.

That said, I'm not sure what I'm living for. My many health problems from bi-polar to IBS for years now make everything feel difficult, especially connecting with people. My mother is the only person I believe will always be there; so many others have abandoned me. I feel I've already missed the best opportunities of my life to form new friendships. I'm behind in everything. Right now I can't see much reason for being alive. Why?

Despite how low my self-esteem is I still have the potential to do great things. No matter how much I try to move forward the past still weighs me down. Recovery isn't going as quickly as I want. I see my psychiatrist in early February and hopefully my counselor at the same time.

Fuck, now I'm crying.

I do not know if this will work for you. But on my darkest day, I decided to go for an early morning hike up a local mountain. I left my house at about 3:30am. I got to the top just as the sun was rising over the valley. I sat at the top and just stared for an hour or so. I thought about nothing. I realized that that exact moment, is always worth living for. Regardless of how ugly our personal lives get, nature will always be beautiful. The colors of the sky, the crispness of the air, the warmth of the sun. It may sound pretty cheesy but it got me through my darkest time.

Give it a chance. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
 
I swear 10 years ago if i knew i would be more miserable than i was than i wouldnt have let that pill bottle out for someone to see. Fucking bullshit. No climbing out of this hole. Im gonna explode soon and it not gonna be pretty.
 
I do not know if this will work for you. But on my darkest day, I decided to go for an early morning hike up a local mountain. I left my house at about 3:30am. I got to the top just as the sun was rising over the valley. I sat at the top and just stared for an hour or so. I thought about nothing. I realized that that exact moment, is always worth living for. Regardless of how ugly our personal lives get, nature will always be beautiful. The colors of the sky, the crispness of the air, the warmth of the sun. It may sound pretty cheesy but it got me through my darkest time.

Give it a chance. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
If I had the attire and it wasn't January I would do that. I enjoying hiking and time in the woods. Still, I don't feel very connected with nature; Maybe I should change that.

I will go for a run tomorrow if that means something.
 
If I had the attire and it wasn't January I would do that. I enjoying hiking and time in the woods. Still, I don't feel very connected with nature; Maybe I should change that.

I will go for a run tomorrow if that means something.

You might not feel better right away, and the winter always makes it more difficult, but being able to go for a hike, get outside in nature and get away from other people always makes me feel great. I love camping too, just wish I had more time for these kinds of things. I don't hate winter, but it's rough on me emotionally. I hibernate and withdraw from things that I usually enjoy.
 
If I had the attire and it wasn't January I would do that. I enjoying hiking and time in the woods. Still, I don't feel very connected with nature; Maybe I should change that.

I will go for a run tomorrow if that means something.

It does not have to be a hike. Like you said, connecting with nature. Sometimes I will go for an early morning drive to see the sunrise. Enjoy!
 
It's up to you if you'd like to share more in the thread. We don't get a lot of this type of discussion, so it's certainly of interest. Just know, going in, that there's going to be a lot of push back, including from me. I'll tell you straight-up that I think this is a crock of shit. I'm interested to hear about your experience, here or by PM, but you're going to face some extremely skeptical voices in here. You can decide if you're up for it.
Hi Bagels! I am most definitely up to it, as I am potentially joining a study and documentary that will be testing the health of myself and my grandfather and compare it to the use of the oil. Again, I don't think this will help everyone and even though it CAN help with cancer and other things, an issue where your liver doesn't work then equates to the inability to administer the oil orally.

Now, before people talk about the thc and getting high, yes, this can get you high if you do a lot of it. No, I personally do not get high from it and I have both a high thc/cbd version for night, in which I believe the "high" never makes it to my awake state and the daytime version has less thc and more cbd.

How do I know I'm not "getting high" ? Because I've smoked the cannabis that people smoke for over 15 years on and off. I do not recommend smoking for people dealing with certain mental issues like severe depression and so on. I have bipolar 2 and while smoking has definitely helped me feel more relaxed, it's effectively like drinking to ignore the problems or taking aspirin over and over to numb the pain and not treat the source of the problem.

For my creative non-fiction class, which I just got back from, I will be writing a paper about my experience starting all the way back from my teen years and the roller-coaster of insanity that my emotions put me through up until I had an episode and was unable to easily determine what was real and what was not. That's when, at the request of my family, I admitted myself to a 72-hour hold and found out I was bipolar type 2.

Now, why do I believe this oil is helping me? Well, going into this, all I knew is what I had heard from friends and seen with my own eyes - which did include someone whom I last saw several years ago hooked up to machines, bald, sunken eyes and using their energy to say goodbye to me and the people I was with. Then, seeing them while in Los Angeles for some business in Santa Monica really threw me for a loop. Mind you, I accepted then that their claims of using the oil and going off radiation therapy was possible, but I was too mad / confused / skeptical to really know what to do.

It wasn't until I started using this, following a little bit of research, that I started noticing changes (side effects) that I didn't even expect. This includes feeling amazing without being hyper or out of control and feeling in-control / at peace with the world more so than I think I ever had. The abilify and depakote I was on for the greater part of the last 2 years (and the other combinations before then) all were rather terrible, but whilst under the influence of these SSRIs I was unable to communicate and express myself properly. Once off of it, I was free again, but I still needed something to help me deal with my bipolar otherwise my chance of relapse and such would soon arise.

Unfortunately, I have work at 7am (it's almost 11pm here) so I'll stop here. If you have any questions, please - PUSH BACK. I'd like to share whatever I can to shed some light on this. If I was someone who didn't know the difference between being high and being "normal" I would probably be in the same boat as many others without any evidence. I think the general outcry of everyone from Rick Simpson to other advocates of this is simply to please do more research on it as currently it's very difficult to get approval for this stuff.
 
I second this. This happens with me a lot so I just try to ignore any emotions associated with the day-to-day things in my life. A complete neutrality if/when I can. Basically, repression. :/

i think what you do is accept your emotions. not ignore them. you may not be in control of your emotions/feelings, but you have some control over your thoughts self talk in your brain. and so you talk about how you are aware of the sensation of emotion and you try to self comfort yourself with self talk, like how you talk to a friend that is suffering. but you try to be your own friend.

or something. im not sure.
 
Sound like you are in the manic stage of bipolar alright. Self medicating to stabilize moods is not a good idea.
Well, maybe I'm explaining myself incorrectly, but I am not using medication like anti-depressants to "self medicate" nor am I exhibiting any form of mania that I or anyone around me has suggested. In fact I've heard nothing but positive responses on this journey and my grandfather, who does not have bipolar and has never smoked cannabis recovered from his constant vertigo, is no longer depressed, and has not had any more debilitating migraines. In fact, even in his 70s he is back to working as an interpreter and his relationship with my grandmother has been improving (something the rest of my family thought was impossible). I believe it has something to do with his immune system and more, obviously, allowing him to sleep properly at night.

REM sleep is associated with heavy and wild dreams largely because, as I understand it, your mind is essentially flushing out the residual chemicals that build up every day as you use the brain, not unlike the acids which build up from working our muscles and such. This may have played a part (alongside second hand smoke and genetics) in triggering the episode I had as my teen years were mostly full of sleepless nights.
 
i think what you do is accept your emotions. not ignore them. you may not be in control of your emotions/feelings, but you have some control over your thoughts self talk in your brain. and so you talk about how you are aware of the sensation of emotion and you try to self comfort yourself with self talk, like how you talk to a friend that is suffering. but you try to be your own friend.

or something. im not sure.

lol I'll go with that. Sounds better. :p

When I'm doing better (now is definitely not one of those times) I try to meditate, read and practice buddhist schools of thought on simply accepting emotions and letting them pass through you, or not effect your current state of mind. To see them as intangiable and imperanent as everything else, and therefore no reason to stress or get upset over. :3
 
Hi Bagels! I am most definitely up to it, as I am potentially joining a study and documentary that will be testing the health of myself and my grandfather and compare it to the use of the oil. Again, I don't think this will help everyone and even though it CAN help with cancer and other things, an issue where your liver doesn't work then equates to the inability to administer the oil orally.

Now, before people talk about the thc and getting high, yes, this can get you high if you do a lot of it. No, I personally do not get high from it and I have both a high thc/cbd version for night, in which I believe the "high" never makes it to my awake state and the daytime version has less thc and more cbd.

How do I know I'm not "getting high" ? Because I've smoked the cannabis that people smoke for over 15 years on and off. I do not recommend smoking for people dealing with certain mental issues like severe depression and so on. I have bipolar 2 and while smoking has definitely helped me feel more relaxed, it's effectively like drinking to ignore the problems or taking aspirin over and over to numb the pain and not treat the source of the problem.

For my creative non-fiction class, which I just got back from, I will be writing a paper about my experience starting all the way back from my teen years and the roller-coaster of insanity that my emotions put me through up until I had an episode and was unable to easily determine what was real and what was not. That's when, at the request of my family, I admitted myself to a 72-hour hold and found out I was bipolar type 2.

Now, why do I believe this oil is helping me? Well, going into this, all I knew is what I had heard from friends and seen with my own eyes - which did include someone whom I last saw several years ago hooked up to machines, bald, sunken eyes and using their energy to say goodbye to me and the people I was with. Then, seeing them while in Los Angeles for some business in Santa Monica really threw me for a loop. Mind you, I accepted then that their claims of using the oil and going off radiation therapy was possible, but I was too mad / confused / skeptical to really know what to do.

It wasn't until I started using this, following a little bit of research, that I started noticing changes (side effects) that I didn't even expect. This includes feeling amazing without being hyper or out of control and feeling in-control / at peace with the world more so than I think I ever had. The abilify and depakote I was on for the greater part of the last 2 years (and the other combinations before then) all were rather terrible, but whilst under the influence of these SSRIs I was unable to communicate and express myself properly. Once off of it, I was free again, but I still needed something to help me deal with my bipolar otherwise my chance of relapse and such would soon arise.

Unfortunately, I have work at 7am (it's almost 11pm here) so I'll stop here. If you have any questions, please - PUSH BACK. I'd like to share whatever I can to shed some light on this. If I was someone who didn't know the difference between being high and being "normal" I would probably be in the same boat as many others without any evidence. I think the general outcry of everyone from Rick Simpson to other advocates of this is simply to please do more research on it as currently it's very difficult to get approval for this stuff.

Thank you for sharing your experience. It must not be easy. It's a controversial topic but I think there is medicinal value to cannabis and hopefully with further study more people can be helped. I find this very interesting. If you could send me a PM and tell me more about it I would appreciate it.

I actually saw a documentary not too long ago and various people were using cannabis oils to medicate. It was in no way used as a cure but rather to give some temporary relief. The way these people's suffering was relieved was astonishing even if it was only temporary. I found it pretty fascinating.
 
Saw the doctor this morning. Apparently my CBT referral should come through in the next couple of weeks. I sure hope so. I can barely stand to be on my own right now. Blew off a social thing yesterday evening because I didn't feel like I could manage it (and I had a migraine) and felt horrible for doing so.
 
Thank you for sharing your experience. It must not be easy. It's a controversial topic but I think there is medicinal value to cannabis and hopefully with further study more people can be helped. I find this very interesting. If you could send me a PM and tell me more about it I would appreciate it.

I actually saw a documentary not too long ago and various people were using cannabis oils to medicate. It was in no way used as a cure but rather to give some temporary relief. The way these people's suffering was relieved was astonishing even if it was only temporary. I found it pretty fascinating.
Well, I'll save what I know for here, so everyone can be on the same page. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask here or via PM.

I also want to ensure that people don't think I'm here to brag about being healthy or participating in this thread solely for myself. In fact, I used to come here once in a while to see what was being written and honestly, I never posted because after reading some of the comments others made I would be kind of scared off (and feel sad for others) based on them experiencing similar or worse things than me that I couldn't hope to say anything about. I've also come a long way since my episode and it's a lot of hard work, but included getting away from SSRIs which took me 2 years to figure out while kind of stuff in a "don't care" mood with small bouts of depression.

My mother works in the medical industry here in Silicon Valley, including, but not limited to (over the decades) mental illness facilities. I can only imagine how scary it must have been for her when I started exhibiting symptoms of mania prior to my actual episode and then admitted myself. It was only a few days, but some small things kind of took me off the path of reality and my dislike for myself was so strong that I took on the concept of being someone else that didn't belong on this planet.

Last night I was thinking about, as I fiddled with the Spotify app on my phone, the old writing I used to do back in my high school years. I'm sure much of it is no longer up on sites like diaryland or livejournal and more - either from my own removal some time ago or because the site no longer exists, so when I get settled at work and assuming (hopefully) there is a good amount of downtime I'm going to look through archive.org to see if anything still exists...

Might be interesting to see if there were any signs back then of my bipolar and whatnot, within what I and probably many others simply assumed was teenage rebellion and depression/mood swings from growing up. At least as I was in my mid-teens my mom started taking my migraines more seriously as they would sometimes be so bad I had to skip school and one might assume I could be faking it, unless you saw that I was in bed sleeping the whole day to escape the pain.
 
Ain't no sense in faking misery. Kinda illogical init? ;)
Well before my mom knew about how bad a migraine could be (and also suffered some herself) she had no context of how much a "headache" was such a problem. She's told me she feels bad at times remembering in the past when she didn't know and just assumed I was trying to skip school or stay home all day.

Same thing happened with my sister, who has borderline and my mom has admitted to thinking she was just a spoiled brat with a terrible temper, but that was years ago and we've learned a lot about what my sister goes through and how to attempt to deal with it without hurting her or causing more problems.

That is to say, there have definitely been times where I told her I felt sick and did skip school, but it wasn't just physical pain but often just a mood that made me want to stay away from everyone and so I would just end up in bed all day half asleep not wanting to do anything.
 
Great game, I really enjoyed my time with it. Some of the story involving River was very relatable to me personally as well. Still 4 days left to get it in the Humble Bundle, totally recommend it.

I donated to humble bundle X but wasn't planning on even downloading that game. Now that I've seen it recommended a few times in this thread I'm going to have to give it a shot.
 
I really wish that I didn't take everything to heart so easily. Life would be so much simpler if I didn't overthink everything. Right now it the overthinking is just an annoyance, but if it starts becoming a major problem by keeping me from doing daily activities I might need to look into seeing a therapist. I'm just so tired and I feel empty.
 
I really wish that I didn't take everything to heart so easily. Life would be so much simpler if I didn't overthink everything. Right now it the overthinking is just an annoyance, but if it starts becoming a major problem by keeping me from doing daily activities I might need to look into seeing a therapist. I'm just so tired and I feel empty.

Break down what is making you over think and start to try and solve each part. You'll feel relieved and be ready to move on. Or you may just need to take some time to get into a relaxed position and relax your body.
 
I really wish that I didn't take everything to heart so easily. Life would be so much simpler if I didn't overthink everything. Right now it the overthinking is just an annoyance, but if it starts becoming a major problem by keeping me from doing daily activities I might need to look into seeing a therapist. I'm just so tired and I feel empty.

Try getting into a good routine. Seems like fixing into a good sleeping pattern can improve things for your body if not the mind yet. :)
 
If I haven't responded to message and stuff, I'll try to catch you this weekend! I am all therapied out this week. It has been amazing, but there is so much work involved!

I'll type up some stuff and clear the inboxes over the weekend (it will be scheduled!) and hop on IRC tonight! I like checking in and participating and stuff. Man, is there a lot going on in Bagels-land, though!

Stay as well as possible!
 
Greetings. I think I would rather be dead and I have no esteem for myself or concept of self worth. However, these feelings come and go (2-3 times per week for a couple days at a time). When they're not there things are mediocre unless I'm very distracted, during which I feel ok on the surface.

That said, how do I decide between talk therapy and medicating? I've been to a psychiatrist but was nervous because I wasn't sure if a chronic condition warranted medication. My biggest anxiety right now is that I don't know which avenue to pursue or how long to try one before the other.
 
Greetings. I think I would rather be dead and I have no esteem for myself or concept of self worth. However, these feelings come and go (2-3 times per week for a couple days at a time). When they're not there things are mediocre unless I'm very distracted, during which I feel ok on the surface.

That said, how do I decide between talk therapy and medicating? I've been to a psychiatrist but was nervous because I wasn't sure if a chronic condition warranted medication. My biggest anxiety right now is that I don't know which avenue to pursue or how long to try one before the other.
You can do both you know. It isn't an either/or situation. Most likely is that medical professionals will encourage or enroll you on therapy regardless of medication.
 
You can do both you know. It isn't an either/or situation. Most likely is that medical professionals will encourage or enroll you on therapy regardless of medication.

I'm confused then. From a few articles I've read they treat them as two distinct options for treatment that don't intersect. I was under the impression that you have to see the professional who prescribes you medication for therapy, in order for them to know what is working and what isn't.
 
I'm confused then. From a few articles I've read they treat them as two distinct options for treatment that don't intersect. I was under the impression that you have to see the professional who prescribes you medication for therapy, in order for them to know what is working and what isn't.

It's more one supplements the other. Medication will presumably make your brain chemistry better, which will allow you to go through and process the help therapy gives you properly. Therapy/medication by itself is sadly not as effectve as we all hope it would be.
 
I'm confused then. From a few articles I've read they treat them as two distinct options for treatment that don't intersect. I was under the impression that you have to see the professional who prescribes you medication for therapy, in order for them to know what is working and what isn't.

"Sometimes psychotherapy alone may be the best treatment for a person, depending on the illness and its severity. Other times, psychotherapy is combined with medications. Therapists work with an individual or families to devise an appropriate treatment plan."
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/psychotherapies/index.shtml

Treatments for depression

In both the university and public mental health clinics, I was met first by a counselor who evaluated my situation and asked if I wanted to be seen by a psychiatrist and also put me on a counseling schedule. The psychiatrist deals with the medication side, but most likely is that the counselor and the psychiatrist will both share the necessary information. Remember also that they are bound by law to stay confidential unless you pose a risk to yourself or others.
 
Depression sucks.

I don't know if ill ever pull my self out of it, and I just graduated college. Left the house for the first time in three weeks. It was pretty exhausting, and my eyes were killing me. They hurt so fucking bad, and shit is blurry, and lights hurts. Blargh.
 
Depressions definitely the worst it's been in a long time. My sleep schedule is also super off, and I have no energy. Making me miss a lot of classes and labs that just end up making me feel even worse about myself.

Talking to my mom over the christmas holidays she mentioned how its something I might just have to live with for the rest of my life. I'm just not sure if that's a life I would reasonably want to live.
 
If you are in college

Most campuses offer mental health services.

Please use them. They can help with counseling and medication, and also help with academic leave and other services.
 
I am so ashamed to be me.

I would say you shouldn't be, but your depressed brain wouldn't believe me! You're a good chap Hermii, and I hope your mood spike is a short one.

I don't know if ill ever pull my self out of it, and I just graduated college. Left the house for the first time in three weeks. It was pretty exhausting, and my eyes were killing me. They hurt so fucking bad, and shit is blurry, and lights hurts. Blargh.

Good for you! I can have lengthy low periods were all the negative points of leaving the house just doesn't feel worth it (mainly all the anxiety) But I find that the longer you do stay inside, the more difficult it will feel to leave. Try and find little excuses to leave the house, if you can. It feels more worthwhile to me to go out, if I feel like I accomplished a lot by doing it.


I have nothing to add to what Penguin and Smiley already said, other than you have a great username.
 
Im almost the most miserable at the end of a night out when i start to sober up and start looking around me at all the attractive happy people and couples. Im so lonely. Ive been trying to put myself out there. I go to new places with people from work. Its literally just impossible for me to attract girls. I have a good enough time with friends though. But after attempts for 10 years ever since i turned 20 and stopped trying to overdose nothings worked. Gonna turn 30 in a couple of days and my 20s were a total waste. I'm so fucked. I'm sick and tired of everyone telling me 'oh you'll find someone dont be silly'. Horseshit lies.
 
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