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1. What is The Malazan Book Of The Fallen?

I'd describe it as a very complex and ambitious adult epic fantasy series. I say adult not because there is a gratuitous amount of sex or violence (though there is a lot of violence) but because these books are complicated and intimidating to read. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of characters, and the books show glimpses of the past as far back as 300,000 years. Magic plays a large role in the series and is presented in a unique, albeit confusing way, however (in my opinion) the books are at their best when the magic is downplayed. The story centers around The Bridgeburners, an elite military company in the Malazan Empire, but they are far from the sole focus of the series. For example, there is one book in the series where almost no previously met characters are present.

The Malazan world consists of many different human and nonhuman races, as well as a formidable number of ascendants. Their stories weave together throughout the ten books. For the most part, each book takes place on one continent, and gradually it is revealed how large the world really is.


2. Is the series complete?

Yes. The good news is, you don't have to worry about the series never ending; the 10 part Malazan Book Of The Fallen is complete, however there are more stories to be told in the Malazan world. The 10 books in the "Fallen" series are...

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The really great news is that Steven Erikson and his partner Ian C. Esslemont have written, and are continuing to write, more books set in this world.

3. Why should I read this series?

There are a number of great reasons to read these books, but in my opinion, first and foremost is the characters. The characters range from hilariously eccentric to solemn and empathetic. Like many other fantasy series, most of the characters are not good or evil so much as they are human (even when they aren't). There is some fantastic character development (Karsa Orlong's arc is particularly incredible) and there is a good mix of dramatic, gritty moments contrasted with some really good humor. If you don't fall in love with Kruppe, Tehol, and or Iskaral Pust, I feel very sorry for you.

The second best reason to read these books is that Erikson has the best imagination I have ever witnessed. The world he's made is fantastical and I felt as though all his ideas were brand new and exciting. There is a lot of mystery and reveals throughout, and each book will leave you wanting more.

If you want an epic fantasy series that does away with most fantasy tropes, and never, ever talks down to the reader, this may be the series for you.

4. So I should read this series?

WARNING: These books are not easy to read. Throughout the series I frequently went from:

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The magic is especially complicated, but it's more than just that. Erikson's writing often makes some sections feel like philosophy and there are times when I read 3-5 pages and had no idea what the hell he was talking about.

The first book is not newbie friendly, but by the end of the second book, I think you will be hooked on the series. It is worth the time investment just to witness his incredible imagination. You just have to give it some time because you will not understand everything that is going on, particularly during the first book.

5. Does the series reach a satisfying conclusion?

Well this is really the million dollar question, isn't it? The series is 3.3 million words long, so it better deliver at the end, right?

I would say it does, when you look at it in the correct light. I did not know this going into the series, but basically this is one huge story from the world. It is not the only story from this world, and therefore there are many questions that are left unanswered, and characters whose stories are not yet done. But the story of The Bridgeburners does conclude in a satisfying way.

If you go in to this knowing that you're getting the story of The Bridgeburners, and not necessarily the story of every single character you meet (because hopefully those stories are still to be told) then you will enjoy the ending. It does wrap up in a satisfying way, and Erikson doesn't jerk the reader around with ambiguity at the end of the tale.

Overall, it's an incredible ride. And again, I think Erikson has created some of the best characters of all time, whether it be Kallor, Hellian, Kruppe, Onrack, or anyone else from a huge list of unique persons. I can't wait to read more from Erikson and Esslemont, and I would love to discuss these books and characters with other people who have read the series.
 
Great series and one of my all-time favourites. The first book is definitely a struggle to get through and quality isn't as good as the others, but I believe it was written a whole decade before the rest of the series?

Deadhouse Gates really hooked me and I fell in love witht the characters and the world.
 
Great series and one of my all-time favourites. The first book is definitely a struggle to get through and quality isn't as good as the others, but I believe it was written a whole decade before the rest of the series?

It was written like 7 years before it was published. I even noticed a mistake that might be due to that gap. In the prologue Fiddler is basically a teenager (a couple years older than Paran, who is a boy), but then in the rest of the series he's middle aged and graying.
 
Currently digging into the first book. The description of the first battle that happens the big battle between the wizards is quite amazing. Very well written but yeah it's a bit of a slog at times.
 
I've had the full series on my bookshelf for a long time. I just need to get through the re-read of the wheel of time and then I'll start on it. At this stage, I'm not sure I'll ever get to it :|
 
Hands down tied for the top spot out of all of the books I've read.

Blows away almost any other, the characters in this book are superb. They're incredibly witty, gritty, and have some of the best development I've seen.

Kruppe. Iskaral Pust. Tehol & Bugg. Any one of the various marines, especially Fiddler. Oh
Fiddler

Worldbuilding is the best I've seen in terms of creating a world that spans continents, layers upon continents through realms, memories, and belief/magic systems. Occasionally ascendancy and godhoods can become confusing, but they're just so damn intriguing.

I'm really glad you made this thread - I finished the Book of the Fallen last year and since Christmas have been reading Stonewielder, Blood and Bone, Orb Sceptre Throne, & Forge of Darkness. Obviously the ICE books aren't as good as the SE ones, but they're great. I loved the bits of Kallor we glimpsed in Blood and Bone, along with other remnants of the past. Forge of Darkness is great (to me at least) in that it has his trademark pacing and reveals the backstories to so many of the best characters and most mysterious at the same time, i.e. Grizzin Farl & Draconus, both of who need WAYYYY more screentime.

Looking forward to the next SE sequel to Forge along with Assail. Definitely could use some back stories on them and honestly, some more for the Imass would be great since FoD doesn't seem like it'll have that in it.
 
Read the first 6 and really hated the series. Why read that much? I'm crazy and wanted resolution. Instead I got DVD style incoherence and ever increasing power levelz. Incoherent mess sadly. I wanted to like them and avidly recommended them to others well into the second book until I realized the pattern: lots of stuff happens but means nothing then lots of stuff happens. And that stuff means nothing. It's seriously dbz, but with 1000x more pointlessness.
 
I'm on book 8 and stopped. I enjoyed the books though i'm not too fond of Erickson's style and sometimes he can be hard to follow. But i'm no great reader though i'll admit that much. I might finish the series sometime this year since i've got the rest.
 
the characters in this book are MILES and above those in GoT. The imp? Varys? They're good characters. You know who's better?

Kruppe. Iskaral Pust. Tehol & Bugg. Any one of the various marines, especially Fiddler. Oh
Fiddler


I intentionally left out any comparison to A Song of Ice and Fire from my post, since I don't think every fantasy series should be compared to ASOIAF...














but yeah I agree, Erickson's characters are better.
 
I intentionally left out any comparison to A Song of Ice and Fire from my post, since I don't think every fantasy series should be compared to ASOIAF...

I'll edit that out ;o I forgot how quickly it can devolve to the point of bickering.

I think I'll do a re-read for Midnight Tides sometime soon though, would've been fantastic if we had gotten more of a perspective from Tehol after that.
 
Perfect timing OP, I was just about to buy the first two books tomorrow. I was walking around the bookstore in need of something new to read, when I saw this series on the shelf and remembered the GAF praise.
Only problem being The Path To Radiance coming out in a couple of months, so I'll probably be reading the rest after that comes out.
Looking forward to it!

Edit: on second thought, I don't like overloading on big series that close together. We'll see how it goes.
 
I'm on book 8, and I'm pretty conflicted.

Some parts are glorious - the end portion of Memories of Ice was astounding. And the huge scope of the story is breath taking at times - the fact that something happening on one continent in one book will have an impact on another is pretty impressive.

On the other hand, the books often drag and some parts are completely incomprehensible.

EDIT: Tehol is an incredible character. Kruppe is good too.
 
The whole sequence with Itkovian in MoI was astonishing.

I do have a list of grievances with this series though. Top of the list being the Bridgeburners getting a raw fucking deal.
 
I beg people to not turn this thread into comparisons to other authors. They're all different. Read and enjoy them all.

I love the series very much. Still have to read Blood and Bone. To me, Forge of Darkness was one of the absolute best because of the way it destroys your preconceived notions of the pantheon of elder races. Which is quite the change since by far the Tiste Andii storylines were my least favorite. I really think though they will all be elevated upon reread once this prequel trilogy is completed, which is exactly what a prequel series SHOULD do. Not just rehash tired old storylines you've heard in pieces but give you an entirely different view of the world, and he completely succeeds. Such amazing writing.
 
The first book was so dull I didn't bother with the sequels. Huge disappointment. I honestly don't remember anything other than Moonspawn and giant crows in some epic battle.
 
They are good books, but I find overly complex at times. I enjoyed them, but I stopped at book 5. At this point I forgot a lot of the plot, so I have to start from scratch. I admire Erikson a lot because the man created IMO the most complex and fleshed out fantasy world and he still manages to put out 1000+ page books every year and a half.
 
I have Garden of the Moon on audiobook and I felt very lukewarm on it. I love a ton of fantasy, but somehow it didn't sit with me. Maybe it's just me and I should go over it again... Through most of it, it felt very scattered. I mean I enjoyed Wheel of Time so going through a ton of character stories at the same time isn't a big deal, but something about the Malazan book didn't strike me the same way.
 
I dropped it early in the third book, because I realized that during the half a year since I've read no.2 I forgot most of the names. Now that the series is complete I'm slowly gearing up to read it all in one string.
 
I only read book 1 and I came away unimpressed. It was kind of a slog and, as was mentioned, the magic was a bit confusing. I may give it another chance in the future, but right now I'm reading Way of Kings and enjoying that a lot more.
 
The series is tough to read but quite rewarding once you get into it. Some great characters and factions (the Crimson Guard in particular).

Also:

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Taken from another forum:

Here's a typical sample sentence from "Gardens of the Moon":

"Crokus shared something of the tower's imagined sardonic reserve for the pretense so rife in Majesty Hall, an emotion of his uncle's that had seeped into the lad over the years."

Now, string sentences like this together for 1000 pages and you have a Steven Erickson novel.

I made it through the first hundred pages or so before dropping it. The book made me feel dumb because I kept having to re-read passages in order to understand them.
 
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Now add the Discworld chronology that I know I've seen around somewhere. :P
 
The reason people find the series difficult or confusing or scattered is the main flaw(or eventual charm) of Erikson's writing. He will purposely not explain something for a long time, and it is up to the reader to piece together how things like magic and warrens and the elder races fit together through many disparate comments, from credible and not-so-credible sources. He is also trained as a anthropologist and archaeologist and this strongly influences his world building. The Malazan books include events that stem from ages thousands of years apart, and it may take the reader some time to piece together how one thing effects another.

But once it clicks, it really clicks.
 
Ahh, my all-time favourite series. I really enjoy Erickson's style and have to be wary when I'm approaching the end of each book because if I need sleep it's not gonna happen after a certain point where all the little plot points and stories are coming together and goddamn 300 pages and an hour or two later the book is just done.

Even if the middle of the book seems like a slog it's usually setting up for a great climax down the road.

It's also a great series to reread because there's a LOT of little details and connections you will miss the first time around. In fact it was probably during my second read-through that it became my favourite book series.

I've read a few of the Esselmont books and while it's nice to see some backstory and insight into some of the characters his writing style isn't near Erickson's level. Serviceable enough I suppose though.

Favourite characters would be Quick Ben first by a good bit, Tehol (and Bugg), Mappo, Stormy/Gesler, and Rake. Those ones stand apart anyway, there are countless instances where relatively minor characters are just as enjoyable for what they are.
It's not an easy job to differentiate numerous characters in an army but just saying a name like Masan Gilani, Tarr, Smiles, Bottle, Crump, Deadsmell, etc all bring to mind a memory and perception of that character even though they were one of many.

It's also nice how he imagines different civilizations throughout the series, each with their own histories and ways of being. You have an idea of what a characters looks/acts like just knowing what they are, be it Seguleh, Dal Honese, Wickan, any of the Tistes, Gral, and so forth. Certainly his archaeology/anthropology background help immensely with this hehe.
 
Malazan is pretty fucking fantastic. I've been slowly making my way through the series and am currently in House of Chains. Specifically, I just read Heboric's sequence where
he took a strong dose of special tea and had an out-of-body experience in space with the jade statues and related it all to the Crippled God
. Holy crap that was awesome.

Gardens was tough to get through, but Erickson really improved in the gap between writing GotM and DG. It's still complex, but much easier to take in, even if you don't necessarily understand it all on the first go. Very much enjoying the series so far, I can't wait to see what the rest of it brings.
 
Is that the book where Karsa gets introduced?

Fucking hated him, at first. (Even now he is only tolerable)

I didn't like Karsa at first, but now I love him.

He gets introduced in House of Chains. His origin story is actually my favorite part of the series. It felt like an entirely different story from a different world, and then all of the sudden you're like... no way!

But the world of the Teblor with the mountains and forests just hit the spot for me. It was so wonderful and cozy for some reason. And the back and forth between Karsa and Bairoth was fantastic. That's why House of Chains in my favorite book in the series.
 
Is that the book where Karsa gets introduced?

Fucking hated him, at first. (Even now he is only tolerable)

But Karsa is the best, and he's introduced in house of chains. That book was probably the fastest I've been hooked in the series. Midnight Tides had me pretty quickly too though.

Reading toll the hounds now, been great! even though I recently got massive spoilers for the death of a character
:(
when I was looking up a name of one of the too many fucking forgettable names/characters in this series. Really drained some of my enthusiasm for the book but at least I still get to see who does the killing.

Thats the biggest issue for me with this series, remembering all these characters, what they look like and what they did. But for every forgettable character theres somebody great, like Karsa or Kruppe.

Anyways Awesome thread! newcomers, write down some of those names. It'll keep the read smooth.
 
I didn't like Karsa at first, but now I love him.

He gets introduced in House of Chains. His origin story is actually my favorite part of the series. It felt like an entirely different story from a different world, and then all of the sudden you're like... no way!

But the world of the Teblor with the mountains and forests just hit the spot for me. It was so wonderful and cozy for some reason. And the back and forth between Karsa and Bairoth was fantastic. That's why House of Chains in my favorite book in the series.

Yes, the twist for the reader that they actually already have read about Karsa is amazing. He pulls the same sort of trick in Midnight Tides, where the whole book feels like a different series. Even if you think you've got a grasp on warrens at this point....now you go a bit deeper...here's the elder magic, holds. And you have to hold this in your brain and try to slot this into your knowledge of the world in subsequent books, as all of these storylines converge. Fantastic.
 
Makes me wanna read through this again. It's been a while.

Took a little while to get into, and there are definitely some confusing and even irritating sequences, but it's still in my top 3 series. Maybe even number 1. There's nothing quite like it, though Glen Cook's Black Company novels can be similar (and I recommend them fully) in certain ways.

A lot of fantastic character development. Karsa, Tehol, Kruppe, Pust, and more I can't remember. I like a lot of the Malazan soldiers, from the Bridgeburners on. Far too many to name or even remember now. Fun and crazy magic system. I remember loving a Mage named... Bottle, I think.

Worth reading the other novels as well. Crimson Guard, etc. though I've yet to read the smaller novellas on Beauchelain and Broach and I haven't started the Kharkanas series yet.
 
I liked Malazan enough to finish the mainlines, and a few of the ICE novels, but man, it was an incredibly frustrating experience. Many sequences where Erickson will avoid using a sentence to say something when he could use 5 pages of rambling instead. Very uneven pacing too. A lot of memorable sequences but even looking back I can't really say with certainty it was worth trudging through the garbage to get there, I admire how prolific the authors are but I can't help but wonder if slowing down the release schedule to fit in some more editing wouldn't have dramatically improved the quality of the series.

Another frustrating point is that the series seems to treat power levels like DBZ. It's all just a continuous exponential game of leapfrog hyperbole describing armies and gods.

My favorite by far is Midnight Tides. It's the most jarring jump in setting, has Tehol and Bugg to carry most of the story, and then a really incredible finale. Favorite characters are Tehol and Pust.

I really like the scope of the world. You start with and never lose the sense that big things are happening all over the place, and we're just focusing on this one.

Despite my frustrations, I know I'll be reading the ICE Assail novel when it comes out. Been waiting for that since Memories of Ice. But I don't think anything could talk me into reading Orb, Scepter, Throne.
 
These books were really great until Erikson figured out he was being paid by the word and then every single character started philosophizing over the most inane things. Put it down in the middle of book nine. Will resume when I can muster up enthusiasm for the series again.
 
I just started reading this, on dead house gates now and I like and dislike it so far for the same reason. A lot happens in these books, so much so that I feel like I'm getting a lot of story all at once and it results in me not really caring about any of these characters. Maybe I'm just not far enough in it yet.
 
I just started reading this, on dead house gates now and I like and dislike it so far for the same reason. A lot happens in these books, so much so that I feel like I'm getting a lot of story all at once and it results in me not really caring about any of these characters. Maybe I'm just not far enough in it yet.

Yeah, deadhouse gates is tough for a while but at some point it'll hook you and you won't be able to put it down. Really fantastic finale in that book. Breathes a lot of life into that world.
 
Another frustrating point is that the series seems to treat power levels like DBZ. It's all just a continuous exponential game of leapfrog hyperbole describing armies and gods.

That's an issue I have with the series as well. I still don't quite understand what a tyrant is, for example. And at times it sounds like a being is nearly invincible, and then they get their ass handed to them later on. There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of the Malazan books, yet I think the whole is greater than the sum of all its parts.
 
I really tried to get into the series but I remember being 200-300 pages into the first book and realizing I had no clue what was going on and not caring about any of the characters so I put it down and moved onto to something else. Plan on giving it another shot sooner or later but wasn't blown away and it felt like a bit of a slog to be honest.
 
Currently reading book three. Definitely finding that I like some story lines more than others, for example in book two, I fucking hated Felisin and loved all the Coltaine stuff.
 
I read the entire series. Erickson's imagination took my breath away at times, but those moments came about every 40,000 words or so. I have no idea why the books are as long as they are. Nowhere was it as bad as Toll the Hounds and the later books, where I found myself just flipping through page after tedious page without even reading.

Amazing series, but it should be half as long as it is, if that. Erickson needed an editor more than any other writer in history.
 
I'm halfway through book three at the moment and it's great, best of the 3 so far

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who can't always understand what I'm reading :)

Sometimes I read paragraphs over and over and still don't understand what is being said.

Apart from those odd occurances, great books.
 
I really tried to get into the series but I remember being 200-300 pages into the first book and realizing I had no clue what was going on and not caring about any of the characters so I put it down and moved onto to something else. Plan on giving it another shot sooner or later but wasn't blown away and it felt like a bit of a slog to be honest.

Same, I went through it for the first time almost half a year ago and I can't for the life of me remember what even happened. Not so much confused as to the events, but everything is so disjointed, it's hard to nail down a solid picture of what's going on. I feel like I should give it another shot, but I don't know if I care enough. Doing Black Company right now so maybe later.
 
I love and hate this series. I've read 9.3 of the books and I keep meaning the finish the last book. But I've been meaning to finish it since 2011.

I feel like the series is a lot stronger in the beginning. Deadhouse Gates, Memories of Ice, and Midnight Tides are fucking outstanding and I think the Chain of Dogs storyline is the strongest piece of fiction I've ever read.

But as the series progress I felt like it was starting to crumble under it's own weight. The characters I was into were dead or no longer focused on and I was having trouble getting re-engaged with more and more new characters.

I also felt like the writing style changed for the worse over the series. Too much internal philosophical bullshit for me. The series is best when groups of characters are trying to figure out a shitty situation and at its worse when they are internally monologueing.

Someday I may finally finish the final book but the series is so deep and complex that I have barely any attachment to what is going on anymore and I can't even remember who is still alive/dead. At this point I don't think I could give you even the barest of summaries of what the fuck happened in books 6-9.

A chain of dogs movie some day would be fantastic.
 
I thought it was all a decline after book 2, but I still managed to get to something like 5 or 6. The 'humorous' characters were the worst and I didn't really like the way every book has characters that have to be 2x more badass than the guys in last book. 'Oh, but I killed seven gods yesterday'...

The series definitely has its moments but it's a mixed bag.
 
This series simultaneously intrigues me and scares the shit out of me. It seems incredibly daunting but I do honestly plan on trying to tackle it one day. I just keep putting other things in front of it. Waiting for the right kind of mood to strike.
 
I can't recommend this series. I slogged through the first book, and actually enjoyed the second. The third was okay. By the fourth, I'd given up. Some reading is challenging because of the ideas it presents; these books are challenging because they're needlessly confusing. I like parts of them a lot, but any books where pages go by without me understanding what the hell is going on are just a waste of time.

Also, the biggest problem this series has is that the first book is VERY confusing and it's probably the worst in the series. That's not a good way to get people interested in the rest.
 
I couldn't finish the first half of the first book. I was properly confused as fuck. The author just namedropped a bunch of people and organization on the first chapters without proper intro.

May be one day, I'll be able to finish the first book.

:|
 
Took a little while to get into, and there are definitely some confusing and even irritating sequences, but it's still in my top 3 series. Maybe even number 1. There's nothing quite like it, though Glen Cook's Black Company novels can be similar (and I recommend them fully) in certain ways.

Black company is one of the two books I never borhered finished reading over the last years. Put it down early in their first travel probably at the same place (and for the same reasons) as this "reviewer". http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/12496386
 
I don't really understand how people are completely lost while reading the books. There are a ton of plot threads he starts and then doesn't finish, for them to be picked up again in later books as you see how they are all being woven into the tapestry of the world. If you're unable to delay gratification and give up, you may think the plot is nonsensical, but you should be able to understand the process within the first 3-4 books. I thought the characters were good enough to stick it out until I "got" it.

Also, I don't have a problem with the writing. If you just hate his writing style, then I don't expect you to slog through 10 books, but that is completely subjective.
 
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