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[Sir British]

What is it in hardware/code that is making developers to create Xbox One games perform terrible compared to the Playstation 4?

I remember one of Halo 4 developer Corrinne Yu, who is an exceptional programmer, gushing about how the PS4's API is really great in a tweet once.

She pretty much said or hinted that the XBONE API is too bloated.

She works at Naughty Dog now.

 

[gcubed]

I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.

Throughout the generation is a little strong, definitely in the beginning the differences between the platforms were greater then this gen so far... Towards the end they werewere ranging from pretty comparable to slight edge to 360.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Ha, was no need to post it anyway, any sane person would expect what he posted to be the case

I don't follow threads as much as most people, so I had no idea he was banned. Why WAS he banned by the way?

 

[STILLethal]

So will the xbone version be $30 or has that not been confirmed yet?

 

[Goodacre0081]

Telling the truth? The source of the OT is not very trustworthy. Even a Highend-PC has problems running Tomb Raider at 60 FPS with maximum details.

didn't CD say they heavily modified tessFX for consoles?

 

[BibiMaghoo]

I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.

Much hyperbole. There are certain games that were worse, but generally the difference was minor. Skyrim, the example you used, is the absolute worst case scenario, and I played through the game with not a single issue on PS3. Bayonetta was another. ''significantly'' and ''worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation'' are not accurate.

 

[djplaeskool]

Wow. I don't think I've seen PR act so chippy about the potential differences platform to platform.

 

[Alista]

What is it in hardware/code that is making developers to create Xbox One games perform terrible compared to the Playstation 4?

My guess would be a significant amount of optimisation and re-engineering of an engine to make really effective use of that 32MB ESRAM. Its long been seen as a bottleneck.

The PS4 is also faster than the xbox running unoptimised code and there are the occasional rumours floating about (not heard if they've improved yet - but happy to be corrected) how the xbox one drivers are pretty dreadful to work with.

I don't think they're intentionally sabotaging their xbox one output, i think they're working as best as they can within the time constraints.

Frankly, I think the game will play well on either console from the perspective of a gamer sitting on the sofa and most of the comparisons will only be seen by those running them side by side. That said, its worrying if developers may be encouraged to lock down or deliberately throttle a superior version in order to have parity in the future as thats just bad form.

 

[thelastword]

You are trying to rationalize now. This is Crystal Dynamics, not some hack small time developer. They have the man power and backing plus they took the pc version and spent a year at least porting and adding to this version. The gap is real. Sure in time the dev kits and os will get more efficient but it will be like that with both xbox one and ps4 and nothing will fix the fact that the esram footprint is way too small for next gen assets.

Well, it's definitely a huge gap between the PS4 and XBONE versions as it is, but if you are that enamoured with crystal dynamics, you should do a little research on nixxes, the studio which helped CD with the PS4 port. I think they are primarily responsible for the huge gap that we are witnessing in the PS4 version (apart from the hardware of course), technically they were always superior to CD. I'm sure if it was just CD the differences would have been smaller between the two platforms.

 

[Goodacre0081]

Wow. I don't think I've seen PR act so chippy about the potential differences platform to platform.

they don't want to cannibalize sales on the XB1. this is probably the same reason why we heard about the resolution differences in BF4, AC4, CoD so close to launch

 

[TyrantII]

What happened to this thread and what's with all the bans?

PC GAF got super salty
XB GAF dissonance dialed to be 11
PS GAF gleefully poking a corpse

 

[swcpig]

Much hyperbole. There are certain games that were worse, but generally the difference was minor. Skyrim, the example you used, is the absolute worst case scenario, and I played through the game with not a single issue on PS3. Bayonetta was another. ''significantly'' and ''worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation'' are not accurate.

Not that much hyperbole. You obviously lived with the PS3 - was your gaming life the worse for it compared to the Xbox360? honest question.

 

[Nev]

I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.

Bayonetta was the worst case scenario and it was because of the enormous framerate difference. Please.

 

[Tsundere]

What is it in hardware/code that is making developers to create Xbox One games perform terrible compared to the Playstation 4?

Too much extra sauce makes a mess.

 

[geordiemp]

I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.

We had 2 Ps3 first and I bought 2 360's for the house as some of the multiplat versions on PS3 just took too much away from the experience.

Allot of people had Ps3 for sony games and 360 for multiplats, me included.

It will hurt Microsoft this new gen

 

[TyrantII]

Well I am buying this Tomb Raider game out of principle - want to reward devs giving us 1080 and 60 fps on console and why it is important for future releases.

Also it sends a message that re-releases on next gen with upped specs can make money and worth the effort.

I want TLOU and GTA V on PS4 (held out) and other games from 2013 - looking at the sales it appears I am not the only one to hold off on games in 2013 on my last gen console....

Definitely don't want to play streamed Ps3 versions on PS Now - Cant think of anything worse than compressed games with added latency...

Wow, looking back there are allot of greyed out names in this thread.

Bravo. Support the devs that give you what you want. Otherwise the things you want will be tossed aside for more profitable... Structures.

 

[Goodacre0081]

Not that much hyperbole. You obviously lived with the PS3 - was your gaming life the worse for it compared to the Xbox360? honest question.

if people claim they can't see a difference between 1080 and 720 now there's no way in hell they'd see the minor differences in last gen multiplats.

Bayonetta and ES5 were the at the very end of that spectrum. from what it looks like now we'll be getting Bayonetta size differences right from the get go.

 

[swcpig]

We had 2 Ps3 first and I bought 2 360's for the house as some of the multiplat versions on PS3 just took too much away from the experience.

Allot of people had Ps3 for sony games and 360 for multiplats, me included.

It will hurt Microsoft this new gen

I do not disagree it will hurt MS this generation. They dropped the ball for sure.

 

[ModifiedDefaults]

Wow. I just don't understand why someone would buy an XB1 over a PS4. It makes no sense to me. Is love of Forza that strong?

Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.

 

[Marleyman]

Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.

Pretty much.

 

[angrygnat]

Was beginning to get bored! Thank God for rumors.

 

[benny_a]

Was beginning to get bored! Thank God for rumors.

Not a rumor. :-(

Am I dumb to prefer 1080p/30+ fps over 720/60??

No.

 

[swcpig]

Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.

Yeah... this is pretty much it. But hey, schadenfreude is fun.

 

[LanceX2]

Am I dumb to prefer 1080p/30+ fps over 720/60??

 

[TomNinetyTwo]

I just can't wait to play the game, looks great and frame rate has never made a difference to anything I play. In my opinion BF4 runs better than CoD Ghosts on my PS4 and that is a 30/60 fps scenario too. Just enjoy your games

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

I just can't wait to play the game, looks great and frame rate has never made a difference to anything I play. In my opinion BF4 runs better than CoD Ghosts on my PS4 and that is a 30/60 fps scenario too. Just enjoy your games

This, from my personal experience of both games on the PS4!

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Not a rumor. :-(

Why the sad face? Another XB1 game is 1080p and the PS4 version is twice the frame rate than what was expected.

 

[ModifiedDefaults]

Yeah... this is pretty much it. But hey, schadenfreude is fun.

I don't quite see how XO gamers are going to be at a real disadvantage here. At least not enough to be beatdown by it. The game is going to be 1080p native on both consoles. The PS4 will simply enjoy slightly higher framerates because of the superior video card inside it and faster memory.

It's going to look awesome on both consoles. Neither are at any sort of disadvantage. And only those who dissect both with a fine tooth comb are going to notice any real differences.

Anything to feel superior I guess.

 

[bishoptl]

I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.

I don't quite see how XO gamers are going to be at a real disadvantage here. At least not enough to be beatdown by it. The game is going to be 1080p native on both consoles. The PS4 will simply enjoy slightly higher framerates because of the superior video card inside it and faster memory.

It's going to look awesome on both consoles. Neither are at any sort of disadvantage. And only those who dissect both with a fine tooth comb are going to notice any real differences.

Anything to feel superior I guess.

Someone's been playing a whole lotta defence.

 

[HariKari]

Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.

That's fine. There are an equal number of people who are loyal to the PS4. The rub is where someone who has no platform allegiance compares the two and sees a pretty big difference. That's going to happen if results like this one are commonplace. The XB1 then becomes a hard sell as a gaming console at a higher price. It matters.

 

[Jaxbrah]

Im assuming you clowns havnt seen the ign update? Square enix have confirmed that BOTH versions run at 30fps.

Op was just using neogafs pathetic fanboyism to get hits on his website.

Pure comedic gold as always neogaf. 65 pages of sony fanboys clamoring over a false rumor and using it to boost their inner opinion of ps4 superiority. If people actually cared as much as you guys about a few launch titles resolution differences then xbox wouldnt be selling so many more games in NA than ps4. even the very games that you claim to be inferior on xb1 are selling better on the xb1

 

[benny_a]

This, from my personal experience of both games on the PS4!

But it's not true. BF4, just like COD target 60fps. The PS4 version of BF4 does not reach the 60fps target in 64-player conquest modes though.

Why the sad face? Another XB1 game is 1080p and the PS4 version is twice the frame rate than what was expected.

Because he was happy to have discovered a rumor. I had to rob him of that feeling to tell him that it isn't a rumor.

 

[PBY]

Im assuming you clowns havnt seen the ign update? Square enix have confirmed that BOTH versions run at 30fps.

Op was just using neogafs pathetic fanboyism to get hits on his website.

Pure comedic gold as always neogaf. 65 pages of sony fanboys clamoring over a false rumor and using it to boost their inner opinion of ps4 superiority. If people actually cared as much as you guys about a few launch titles resolution differences then xbox wouldnt be selling so many more games in NA than ps4. even the very games that you claim to be inferior on xb1 are selling better on the xb1

Wait they both run at 30?

 

[ModifiedDefaults]

Someone's been playing a whole lotta defence.

Someone got a PS4 for Christmas.

 

[AEREC]

I don't quite see how XO gamers are going to be at a real disadvantage here. At least not enough to be beatdown by it. The game is going to be 1080p native on both consoles. The PS4 will simply enjoy slightly higher framerates because of the superior video card inside it and faster memory.

It's going to look awesome on both consoles. Neither are at any sort of disadvantage. And only those who dissect both with a fine tooth comb are going to notice any real differences.

Anything to feel superior I guess.

30 vs. 60 fps is a bit more than a slightly higher framerate. Any they will both probably be variable which is disgusting in it's own way.

 

[Tsundere]

Im assuming you clowns havnt seen the ign update? Square enix have confirmed that BOTH versions run at 30fps.

Op was just using neogafs pathetic fanboyism to get hits on his website.

Pure comedic gold as always neogaf. 65 pages of sony fanboys clamoring over a false rumor and using it to boost their inner opinion of ps4 superiority. If people actually cared as much as you guys about a few launch titles resolution differences then xbox wouldnt be selling so many more games in NA than ps4. even the very games that you claim to be inferior on xb1 are selling better on the xb1

Well there goes your account.

Oh wait, bish, did we just witness a new batch of juniors?!

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I don't quite see how XO gamers are going to be at a real disadvantage here. At least not enough to be beatdown by it. The game is going to be 1080p native on both consoles. The PS4 will simply enjoy slightly higher framerates because of the superior video card inside it and faster memory.

It's going to look awesome on both consoles. Neither are at any sort of disadvantage. And only those who dissect both with a fine tooth comb are going to notice any real differences.

Anything to feel superior I guess.

You realize it's twice the frame rate right?

Because he was happy to have discovered a rumor. I had to rob him of that feeling to tell him that it isn't a rumor.

Ah, got it.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

"slight"?

"a little"?

It's double the framerate dudes, open your eyes. And people are suggesting the technical differences are being overplayed? smh

Edit: Damn you Vernia, that was like one second before me.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Has this been posted before? It's the livestream of Tomb Raider Definitive Edition by GamesRadar, I still haven't figured out where in this stream does the executive producer mention that the game is running at 60fps. Ignore the link if it's already been posted.

 

[Dragonborn]

Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.

MS first party is incredibly weak outside of Forza and Halo, both of which have been seriously milked. Last gen and going into this gen they got some good third party exclusives thanks to their massive lead in NA, that is simply the case anymore. MS doesn't have much and it's a direct result of them focusing on moneyhats over growing eir first party, it's really going to come around and bite them

 

[bishoptl]

Someone got a PS4 for Christmas.

Which has what to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[benny_a]

Wait they both run at 30?

No.

The PS4 definitely targets 60fps (and hits it almost all the time according to the people that've played it.)
This much has been confirmed by the executive Producer of the game.

 

[Green Yoshi]

didn't CD say they heavily modified tessFX for consoles?

That's true. I think I don't know the right translation of "is gravy". Does that mean "It's nonsense" or "It's bonus"?

Someone at the oldest German gaming board claims that the PS4-version runs with 60 FPS with minor falls when it saves. He played the first two hours.

 

[speculawyer]

Holy smokes. 3100+ posts and a graveyard of bans. Take it easy folks . . . we don't even have all the data.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Damn it, who got him first.

 

[ModifiedDefaults]

You realize it's twice the frame rate right?

I still don't see how it's worth this much hoopla.

 

[jayu26]

Damn it, who got him first.

Hahaha, oh Bish.

 

[gcubed]

That's true. I think I don't know the right translation of "is gravy". Does that mean "It's nonsense" or "It's bonus"?

Someone at the oldest German gaming board claims that the PS4-version runs with 60 FPS with minor falls when it saves. He played the first two hours.

It's bonus

 

[viveks86]

Added one... in memory of mocoworm

Man! Is there an upper limit on the number of times people get banned? I'm losing count on this guy. RIP!

 

[casinoman921]

You think this is bad, imagine the X1 version selling more than PS4's.