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Tomb Raider Definitive Edition - PlayStation 4 = ~60fps, Xbox One = ~30fps

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Sir British

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levyjl1988 said:
What is it in hardware/code that is making developers to create Xbox One games perform terrible compared to the Playstation 4?
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I remember one of Halo 4 developer Corrinne Yu, who is an exceptional programmer, gushing about how the PS4's API is really great in a tweet once.

She pretty much said or hinted that the XBONE API is too bloated.

She works at Naughty Dog now.
 
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gcubed

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swcpig said:
I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.
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Throughout the generation is a little strong, definitely in the beginning the differences between the platforms were greater then this gen so far... Towards the end they werewere ranging from pretty comparable to slight edge to 360.
 
BibiMaghoo

BibiMaghoo

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swcpig said:
I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.
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Much hyperbole. There are certain games that were worse, but generally the difference was minor. Skyrim, the example you used, is the absolute worst case scenario, and I played through the game with not a single issue on PS3. Bayonetta was another. ''significantly'' and ''worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation'' are not accurate.
 
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Alista

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levyjl1988 said:
What is it in hardware/code that is making developers to create Xbox One games perform terrible compared to the Playstation 4?
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My guess would be a significant amount of optimisation and re-engineering of an engine to make really effective use of that 32MB ESRAM. Its long been seen as a bottleneck.

The PS4 is also faster than the xbox running unoptimised code and there are the occasional rumours floating about (not heard if they've improved yet - but happy to be corrected) how the xbox one drivers are pretty dreadful to work with.

I don't think they're intentionally sabotaging their xbox one output, i think they're working as best as they can within the time constraints.

Frankly, I think the game will play well on either console from the perspective of a gamer sitting on the sofa and most of the comparisons will only be seen by those running them side by side. That said, its worrying if developers may be encouraged to lock down or deliberately throttle a superior version in order to have parity in the future as thats just bad form.
 
thelastword

thelastword

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nycgamer4ever said:
You are trying to rationalize now. This is Crystal Dynamics, not some hack small time developer. They have the man power and backing plus they took the pc version and spent a year at least porting and adding to this version. The gap is real. Sure in time the dev kits and os will get more efficient but it will be like that with both xbox one and ps4 and nothing will fix the fact that the esram footprint is way too small for next gen assets.
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Well, it's definitely a huge gap between the PS4 and XBONE versions as it is, but if you are that enamoured with crystal dynamics, you should do a little research on nixxes, the studio which helped CD with the PS4 port. I think they are primarily responsible for the huge gap that we are witnessing in the PS4 version (apart from the hardware of course), technically they were always superior to CD. I'm sure if it was just CD the differences would have been smaller between the two platforms.
 
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swcpig

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BibiMaghoo said:
Much hyperbole. There are certain games that were worse, but generally the difference was minor. Skyrim, the example you used, is the absolute worst case scenario, and I played through the game with not a single issue on PS3. Bayonetta was another. ''significantly'' and ''worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation'' are not accurate.
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Not that much hyperbole. You obviously lived with the PS3 - was your gaming life the worse for it compared to the Xbox360? honest question.
 
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Nev

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swcpig said:
I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.
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Bayonetta was the worst case scenario and it was because of the enormous framerate difference. Please.
 
geordiemp

geordiemp

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swcpig said:
I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.
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We had 2 Ps3 first and I bought 2 360's for the house as some of the multiplat versions on PS3 just took too much away from the experience.

Allot of people had Ps3 for sony games and 360 for multiplats, me included.

It will hurt Microsoft this new gen
 
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TyrantII

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geordiemp said:
Well I am buying this Tomb Raider game out of principle - want to reward devs giving us 1080 and 60 fps on console and why it is important for future releases.

Also it sends a message that re-releases on next gen with upped specs can make money and worth the effort.

I want TLOU and GTA V on PS4 (held out) and other games from 2013 - looking at the sales it appears I am not the only one to hold off on games in 2013 on my last gen console....

Definitely don't want to play streamed Ps3 versions on PS Now - Cant think of anything worse than compressed games with added latency...

Wow, looking back there are allot of greyed out names in this thread.
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Bravo. Support the devs that give you what you want. Otherwise the things you want will be tossed aside for more profitable... Structures.
 
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Goodacre0081

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swcpig said:
Not that much hyperbole. You obviously lived with the PS3 - was your gaming life the worse for it compared to the Xbox360? honest question.
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if people claim they can't see a difference between 1080 and 720 now there's no way in hell they'd see the minor differences in last gen multiplats.

Bayonetta and ES5 were the at the very end of that spectrum. from what it looks like now we'll be getting Bayonetta size differences right from the get go.
 
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swcpig

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geordiemp said:
We had 2 Ps3 first and I bought 2 360's for the house as some of the multiplat versions on PS3 just took too much away from the experience.

Allot of people had Ps3 for sony games and 360 for multiplats, me included.

It will hurt Microsoft this new gen
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I do not disagree it will hurt MS this generation. They dropped the ball for sure.
 
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ModifiedDefaults

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ElectricKaibutsu said:
Wow. I just don't understand why someone would buy an XB1 over a PS4. It makes no sense to me. Is love of Forza that strong?
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Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.
 
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Marleyman

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ModifiedDefaults said:
Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.
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Pretty much.
 
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swcpig

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ModifiedDefaults said:
Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.
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Yeah... this is pretty much it. But hey, schadenfreude is fun.
 
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TomNinetyTwo

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I just can't wait to play the game, looks great and frame rate has never made a difference to anything I play. In my opinion BF4 runs better than CoD Ghosts on my PS4 and that is a 30/60 fps scenario too. Just enjoy your games :)
 
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ModifiedDefaults

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swcpig said:
Yeah... this is pretty much it. But hey, schadenfreude is fun.
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I don't quite see how XO gamers are going to be at a real disadvantage here. At least not enough to be beatdown by it. The game is going to be 1080p native on both consoles. The PS4 will simply enjoy slightly higher framerates because of the superior video card inside it and faster memory.

It's going to look awesome on both consoles. Neither are at any sort of disadvantage. And only those who dissect both with a fine tooth comb are going to notice any real differences.

Anything to feel superior I guess.
 
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bishoptl

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swcpig said:
I hate to weigh into this mess and while there are differences between the Xbox One and PS4 I dunno yet how to classify that disparity.

I will say that the PS3 was significantly worse off on multi-plats throughout the generation and not just a little bit. Skyrim was basically unplayable (developer in my opinion but still). Not to mention that there was a bunch of weird shit that the PS3 did that made it an inferior platform (load times, et al). In addition to getting HACKED and having PS+ down for 3 months... on a more expensive platform... et al.

The differences between the Xbox One and PS4 will be real but l do feel it's a bit overplayed. There are lot of folks who tolerated the PS3 and it's deficiencies for a generation as well and are perfectly happy human beings. I think a lot of folks who are crowing about the differences are THOSE SAME PEOPLE - and I suppose it's justified, a little inferiority complex for 10 years and all that. But in reality a lot of this stuff won't matter in the end as long as good games are being produced.
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ModifiedDefaults said:
I don't quite see how XO gamers are going to be at a real disadvantage here. At least not enough to be beatdown by it. The game is going to be 1080p native on both consoles. The PS4 will simply enjoy slightly higher framerates because of the superior video card inside it and faster memory.

It's going to look awesome on both consoles. Neither are at any sort of disadvantage. And only those who dissect both with a fine tooth comb are going to notice any real differences.

Anything to feel superior I guess.
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Someone's been playing a whole lotta defence.
 
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HariKari

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ModifiedDefaults said:
Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.
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That's fine. There are an equal number of people who are loyal to the PS4. The rub is where someone who has no platform allegiance compares the two and sees a pretty big difference. That's going to happen if results like this one are commonplace. The XB1 then becomes a hard sell as a gaming console at a higher price. It matters.
 
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Jaxbrah

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Im assuming you clowns havnt seen the ign update? Square enix have confirmed that BOTH versions run at 30fps.

Op was just using neogafs pathetic fanboyism to get hits on his website.

Pure comedic gold as always neogaf. 65 pages of sony fanboys clamoring over a false rumor and using it to boost their inner opinion of ps4 superiority. If people actually cared as much as you guys about a few launch titles resolution differences then xbox wouldnt be selling so many more games in NA than ps4. even the very games that you claim to be inferior on xb1 are selling better on the xb1
 
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benny_a

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M.Prashanth said:
This, from my personal experience of both games on the PS4!
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But it's not true. BF4, just like COD target 60fps. The PS4 version of BF4 does not reach the 60fps target in 64-player conquest modes though.

Team Vernia said:
Why the sad face? Another XB1 game is 1080p and the PS4 version is twice the frame rate than what was expected.
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Because he was happy to have discovered a rumor. I had to rob him of that feeling to tell him that it isn't a rumor.
 
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PBY

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Jaxbrah said:
Im assuming you clowns havnt seen the ign update? Square enix have confirmed that BOTH versions run at 30fps.

Op was just using neogafs pathetic fanboyism to get hits on his website.

Pure comedic gold as always neogaf. 65 pages of sony fanboys clamoring over a false rumor and using it to boost their inner opinion of ps4 superiority. If people actually cared as much as you guys about a few launch titles resolution differences then xbox wouldnt be selling so many more games in NA than ps4. even the very games that you claim to be inferior on xb1 are selling better on the xb1
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Wait they both run at 30?
 
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AEREC

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ModifiedDefaults said:
I don't quite see how XO gamers are going to be at a real disadvantage here. At least not enough to be beatdown by it. The game is going to be 1080p native on both consoles. The PS4 will simply enjoy slightly higher framerates because of the superior video card inside it and faster memory.

It's going to look awesome on both consoles. Neither are at any sort of disadvantage. And only those who dissect both with a fine tooth comb are going to notice any real differences.

Anything to feel superior I guess.
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30 vs. 60 fps is a bit more than a slightly higher framerate. Any they will both probably be variable which is disgusting in it's own way.
 
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Tsundere

Banned
Jaxbrah said:
Im assuming you clowns havnt seen the ign update? Square enix have confirmed that BOTH versions run at 30fps.

Op was just using neogafs pathetic fanboyism to get hits on his website.

Pure comedic gold as always neogaf. 65 pages of sony fanboys clamoring over a false rumor and using it to boost their inner opinion of ps4 superiority. If people actually cared as much as you guys about a few launch titles resolution differences then xbox wouldnt be selling so many more games in NA than ps4. even the very games that you claim to be inferior on xb1 are selling better on the xb1
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Well there goes your account.

Oh wait, bish, did we just witness a new batch of juniors?!
 
SEGAvangelist

SEGAvangelist

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ModifiedDefaults said:
I don't quite see how XO gamers are going to be at a real disadvantage here. At least not enough to be beatdown by it. The game is going to be 1080p native on both consoles. The PS4 will simply enjoy slightly higher framerates because of the superior video card inside it and faster memory.

It's going to look awesome on both consoles. Neither are at any sort of disadvantage. And only those who dissect both with a fine tooth comb are going to notice any real differences.

Anything to feel superior I guess.
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You realize it's twice the frame rate right?

benny_a said:
Because he was happy to have discovered a rumor. I had to rob him of that feeling to tell him that it isn't a rumor.
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Ah, got it.
 
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QuicheFontaine

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"slight"?

"a little"?

It's double the framerate dudes, open your eyes. And people are suggesting the technical differences are being overplayed? smh

Edit: Damn you Vernia, that was like one second before me.
 
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Dragonborn

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ModifiedDefaults said:
Maybe because they prefer the exclusives on the XO that won't make it to PS4.

Titanfall for example. Quantum Break another. Halo another... The list goes on.

You'd be surprised that the majority of gamers out there honestly don't care that the PS4 is a little more powerful. Most gamers buy what they want without listening to the pressure from other people who can't understand why in the world someone would buy a product that they're not buying.
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MS first party is incredibly weak outside of Forza and Halo, both of which have been seriously milked. Last gen and going into this gen they got some good third party exclusives thanks to their massive lead in NA, that is simply the case anymore. MS doesn't have much and it's a direct result of them focusing on moneyhats over growing eir first party, it's really going to come around and bite them
 
Green Yoshi

Green Yoshi

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Goodacre0081 said:
didn't CD say they heavily modified tessFX for consoles?
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That's true. I think I don't know the right translation of "is gravy". Does that mean "It's nonsense" or "It's bonus"?

Someone at the oldest German gaming board claims that the PS4-version runs with 60 FPS with minor falls when it saves. He played the first two hours.
 
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gcubed

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Green Yoshi said:
That's true. I think I don't know the right translation of "is gravy". Does that mean "It's nonsense" or "It's bonus"?

Someone at the oldest German gaming board claims that the PS4-version runs with 60 FPS with minor falls when it saves. He played the first two hours.
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It's bonus
 
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