Glass Rebel
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With Origin EA made the PC more closed than before so...
PC Gaming isn't locked in to one store, so why is the hate for Steam competitors?
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With Origin EA made the PC more closed than before so...
blackMamba1187
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If EA really cared about Origin as a platform, they would release all of their titles on it (madden, nhl, etc). Personally, I'm fine with multiple store-fronts, although I have accidentally double-dipped on titles I had already bought on uplay.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Valve has ultimate control over all that "competition" aside from GoG or Battlenet. Your completely at valves mercy. Which while fine for you is not fine for me I'd like to have alternatives should valve do something I don't like e.g holding your games ransom when they change the EULA.
That's factually incorrect.
Of course they want the game on their plataform of choice. If its fair for a publisher to serve its own interests and not a freely available market, why can't the costumers?
For me steam has always provided the best user experience. Origin in slow and cumbersome to navigate and uplay is just worthless to me since all if my ubisoft games launch from steam. Steam is a much more open and inviting experience for the user, the community, and developers. Origin and uplay are just another layer of DRM.
I think it would be better if all games were everywhere, but given that that likely won't happen, I still want games on the best service which right now (and for the foreseeable future) is Steam.
Glass Rebel
Member
Ah so I don't have to go through Origin to download EA games? That's great news!
Garcia
Member
I got lured in by the ridiculous discounts. They are worth it.
Haha, "costumers". There's a word I don't see often.
My point is that people see EA locking their titles as unfair and deeming them unworthy of a purchase but not holding Valve to that same standard. Not that it affects me, I'll buy on whatever service at the end of the day.
Something tells me you haven't used Origin recently because this simply isn't true.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That doesn't make a platform closed that simply a business trying to push a service the very definition of a open platform.
i dislike origin specifically because EA is one of the worst companies in the industry and uplay because it's a pile of shit
also i don't have a problem with competing storefronts but i think there's a difference between that and competing platforms. steamworks integration doesn't lock anyone down to the steam store, which is far and away the best thing valve has done for PC gaming since it generates competition within their own ecosystem. they've completely guaranteed that they themselves won't be able to wield abusive monopolistic pricing powers.
also i don't have a problem with competing storefronts but i think there's a difference between that and competing platforms. steamworks integration doesn't lock anyone down to the steam store, which is far and away the best thing valve has done for PC gaming since it generates competition within their own ecosystem. they've completely guaranteed that they themselves won't be able to wield abusive monopolistic pricing powers.
Haunted
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see my edit above. Blizzard and Valve have earned a completely different standing with the community compared to EA and Ubisoft. C'mon Gowans, this can't come as a surprise to someone who's been a PC gamer for so long.So then what about Battle.net?
It seems accepted with Blizzard but a big fuss with Origin
I don't know I've been a PC gamer for so long I identified not being locked into one platform as a benefit, I guess that's becoming a old school of though on the platform now.
And "locking" people into one store is exactly what EA/Origin is trying to do here. Fuck, I'd actually buy games on the Origin store if they had comparable deals to Steam (and the other storefronts) and didn't come with shitty software. But they do, so I - and many others - don't buy.
SteveWinwood
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Somebody post the picture.
That is something that really irks me, they should have no right to do that, I get not getting access to the Storefront anymore or even community features, but the games you have in your library should still be accessible even if you disagree with a new EULA, but I guess since you basically don't own the games on Steam that's fine.... Would be interesting if this would hold up under some scrutiny. Especially since I have games on their that I didn't buy over Steam in the first place but as a physical box....
Also Steam at this point is a bloated client which has extremely slow community features and is in need of an overhaul, it says something when Origin feels lightweight in comparison.
It's still overall the best solution outside of GOG, but it's far far from optimal.
Well excuse me for making the choices of what to do with my money. If I think some store doesn't deserve my money, they have to change (if they care enough, which I'm not saying they have to) not I. I'm not obligated to hold every store by the same standards.
Glass Rebel
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They're keeping their games to their service and forcing me to go through the Origin client to play them. I have less options than I had before.
There's really no reason for any other client to exist outside of steam. The ones that do exist provide no competition and offer no unique features to keep steam on their toes. Valve continues to add more and more to the service with no competition, so we don't need any people like EA pulling their games off to force us onto a worse service.
The system that we have now where a hundred different online retailers compete with each other to sell steam keys is the ideal scenario for us...the customer. Let's not screw with something that doesn't need to be screwed with.
The system that we have now where a hundred different online retailers compete with each other to sell steam keys is the ideal scenario for us...the customer. Let's not screw with something that doesn't need to be screwed with.
I've been rather vocal about how now that Valve restricts account functionality rather than dolling out bans/lockouts, disagreeing with the SSA should require a restart of the client that places the account in a restricted state until such a time that the user changes their mind. If you're unfamiliar with the account restriction system, basically it allows Valve to disable one or more of purchasing, CD key redemption, gifting/trading and indeed Steam Community access entirely, so that even if a user transgresses in the worst possible way, while Steam becomes all but useless, they still have access to their existing library.
Visualante2
Member
It's the social aspect that anchors me. And similarly for people who cling to Xbox Live for many multi player titles.
Features parity is like adding bullet points to the back of a box to me. I don't actually use that many of them. The core of it is the community which UPlay, Origin et al are yet to foster.
Features parity is like adding bullet points to the back of a box to me. I don't actually use that many of them. The core of it is the community which UPlay, Origin et al are yet to foster.
it's crazy that i think valve is more trustworthy than EA?
personally i find it mind-boggling that people don't understand this. EA has never once proven themselves deserving of anything more than my contempt with their publishing practices.
I have no hate for competition. None whatsoever.
I do have disdain for products that are inferior and lock exclusivity of major software releases. At the very least, the biggest platform should get the game as well.
These are storefronts, not consoles, so at the end of the day, I'd like to think that exposure matters most.
Reminds me of a different service. Valve's thingie, what was the name again?
Dr. Zoidberg
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People don't mind near-monopolies (in fact they are quite convenient) when the near-monopoly holder has their affection and trust.
Valve is great, but what people don't want to acknowledge is that Gabe could have a heart-attack tomorrow and his replacement may not be able to resist that dump-truck of money that Microsoft (or whoever) drives up to their house one day.
Then what? Your entire library is already on Steam so they have you by the balls.
Valve is great, but what people don't want to acknowledge is that Gabe could have a heart-attack tomorrow and his replacement may not be able to resist that dump-truck of money that Microsoft (or whoever) drives up to their house one day.
Then what? Your entire library is already on Steam so they have you by the balls.
This is exactly one of the main issues of this new era of gamers; exercising their authority in a power tripping journey.
The fact remains that any company or publisher has every right to put its product (s) on any market they see fit with or without your consent or agreement as a gamer. In that respect, if any company or publisher concludes that it is more beneficial [including being more profitable] to showcase its product on its own client and application then they have every right to do so.
Internal affairs between company A and company B is not my business as a gamer and therefore this argument of, which is not even an argument but a threat, "I will not buy your product if you do not put your product on this client and application" is immature, childish and showing how a spoiled person you can be.
The fact remains that any company or publisher has every right to put its product (s) on any market they see fit with or without your consent or agreement as a gamer. In that respect, if any company or publisher concludes that it is more beneficial [including being more profitable] to showcase its product on its own client and application then they have every right to do so.
Internal affairs between company A and company B is not my business as a gamer and therefore this argument of, which is not even an argument but a threat, "I will not buy your product if you do not put your product on this client and application" is immature, childish and showing how a spoiled person you can be.
biggersmaller
Banned
People don't have a problem with non-Steam services - people have a problem with shit services forced on them by publishers. This sentiment was also directed at Steam when they were a developer forcing a shit service with HL2. Difference being, they were first - so now people don't have the patience to go through someone else's growing pains again.
If someone wants to compete with Steam, just be better than Steam at launch.
If someone wants to compete with Steam, just be better than Steam at launch.
Schweinehund
Member
I have no quarrel with it. Few games I buy upfront through steam now anyway, steam keys are so prolific I usually nab them off of amazon or gmg. League & other standalone games are on my desktop, a click away. The only major publisher not on steam is EA, and I really don't have any problems with origin, if anything it has less startup bloat than steam does and I can get into games quicker.
Never messed around with uplay, I usually play ubi games on consoles, they aren't my most favorite of games anyway. Blizzard is fine as well.
The only problem I see is the transition to SteamOS, where other services aren't available (yet), I think we'll see origin and blizzard on there soon enough though.
Never messed around with uplay, I usually play ubi games on consoles, they aren't my most favorite of games anyway. Blizzard is fine as well.
The only problem I see is the transition to SteamOS, where other services aren't available (yet), I think we'll see origin and blizzard on there soon enough though.
lifa-cobex
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For me it's not that I don't like other platforms other than Steam.
It because I don't like Origin or to be more accurate, I hate EA.
I detest EA as to me it's the foremost leader Micro transactions, DRM and other BS that shouldn't be related to gaming.
Playing one of there games is bad enough but to be on a platform built around these people ideals feels like a hand in my wallet and someone watching me 24/7.
Main reason I use Steam....
Well it's just bloody great!
It because I don't like Origin or to be more accurate, I hate EA.
I detest EA as to me it's the foremost leader Micro transactions, DRM and other BS that shouldn't be related to gaming.
Playing one of there games is bad enough but to be on a platform built around these people ideals feels like a hand in my wallet and someone watching me 24/7.
Main reason I use Steam....
Well it's just bloody great!
so... do i have an obligation to shut up and take whatever the big publishers deign to give me? do they have some kind of rightful claim on my money?
Who is arguing against this? We are just saying they have the right to put it where they want, and we have the right to not buy it.
I've never agreed with the "But things may change when Gabe retires..." doomsday talk. To quote myself:
pretty done
Member
For me, it's because I don't want to have five shitty clients on my PC when I could just have one. Amazon/GMG get most of my business anyway, their prices usually beat Steam.
No it doesn't. It shows that as a consumer, we have choices to make that can potentially bend the market one way or the other.
Bitching about it and not supporting the software is a fantastic power to have and utilize. Nothing immature about it unless you're coming from the perspective of either a defeatist or corporate ballwasher.
TheLetdown
Member
This nailed it. If people have gotten "chummy" with Valve, it isn't because they like the name or think Gabe seems like a solid dude.
It's because they were delivered content and support for their games (usually for free), made a centralized library that makes uninstalling/reinstalling games so pain free that it just makes sense to free up space that way, and because they run these semi-annual sales that have proven to be as great for the customer as they are for the developer while keeping their share of the pot present.
TouchMyBox
Member
Isn't that like offering a glass of water to a fish in the ocean?
That backwards logic baffles me. It's me that's paying not the opposite. Any reason I cook for not buying product A or B is not entitlement, is me exerting my bloody rights. As they have the right to put their product wherever they want, I have the right to think that's a stupid decision that has no positives for me and not buy it.
So I don't have to go through Steam to download Valve games? AWESOME!
Your logic is terrible.
No it's not mind-boggling (I don't think Valve is trustworthy, but I've had problems with Valve that are specific to me and less so with EA).
But again, DotA2 isn't available on Origin. L4D2 isn't on uPlay. Valve is just as culpable, it's not a pro-consumer action. Giving them a free pass for the action because of liking them more isn't the right way to do things IMO.
Yes, that shits me off the most. I wouldn't mind it so much if I could just proceed with a controller.