OuterLimits
Member
Kind of true. I enjoy PS+ Premium but streaming PS3 games and a rather underwhelming classics library isn't worth the price. At least Gamepass gets Day 1 stuff.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Im a bit confused dude.
Basically, gamepass allows me to play games i would never have played. Games I really enjoy i buy after the fact, in sales.
I also buy expansions for games I end up enjoying. Or, pony up and get the deluxe upgrade.
Ms and every company get plenty of money out of me.
Back in the day, I would borrow a game off a friend if they told me it was good and I wasn't initially interested.
Or buy a used copy.
I don't get the difference.
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PlayStaytion
Member
Graduating from gp what matters.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
It's interesting that people can so easily convince themselves that gamepass never actually mattered to Microsoft and that there won't be repercussions to its failure.
Reality continues to hit these people like a hammer.
That reality has been rearing its head for Xbox fans for at least two years (though for others it's been clear and present for over a decade).
A lot of the feelings around Xbox come from how the brand was managed over the years with a strong emphasis on cultivating relationships with influencers which made consumers feel a degree closer to the company, but this was ultimately a mirage, a fantasy. Much of this is because Phil isn't in charge at Microsoft. They're not a gaming company. They're a software and services company run by satya nadella not Phil Spencer. And nadella gives not a single shit about gamers or the Xbox community (neither does Totoki about the PlayStation community).
People think Microsoft's largest M&A in their history was not a big deal for their company or for Nadella. ABK is bigger than Xbox and Nadella will chose ABK over Xbox every day and twice on Sunday, because if Xbox fails it's no big deal to Nadella. If ABK fails? That's a big deal. That could actually get him fired.
People should look up Steve Ballmer and see why he retired when he did. He was forced out because of bad m&a deals, deals obviously significantly smaller than the ABK deal.
Reality continues to hit these people like a hammer.
That reality has been rearing its head for Xbox fans for at least two years (though for others it's been clear and present for over a decade).
A lot of the feelings around Xbox come from how the brand was managed over the years with a strong emphasis on cultivating relationships with influencers which made consumers feel a degree closer to the company, but this was ultimately a mirage, a fantasy. Much of this is because Phil isn't in charge at Microsoft. They're not a gaming company. They're a software and services company run by satya nadella not Phil Spencer. And nadella gives not a single shit about gamers or the Xbox community (neither does Totoki about the PlayStation community).
People think Microsoft's largest M&A in their history was not a big deal for their company or for Nadella. ABK is bigger than Xbox and Nadella will chose ABK over Xbox every day and twice on Sunday, because if Xbox fails it's no big deal to Nadella. If ABK fails? That's a big deal. That could actually get him fired.
People should look up Steve Ballmer and see why he retired when he did. He was forced out because of bad m&a deals, deals obviously significantly smaller than the ABK deal.
Astray
Member
I think a big part of this psychology also has to do with the fear of losing what is an exceptionally good deal for us hardcore types who play 10-12 games a year.
Like if you feel you are getting a great deal from a rich company that largely operates on vibes, you don't want people to start harshing that buzz with criticism that might make said rich company fuck up said great deal for you.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I get that, but it does well to stay grounded in reality.
I was a pretty early adopter of MoviePass which was clearly an unsustainable deal. And I used it to watch a ridiculous amount of movies. They went broke and I saw that was on the horizon and I canceled when I found it was not moving forward as I desired.
I switched to AMC A-List but canceled that when the pandemic happened.
At the end of the day I didn't think MoviePass was going to last forever and maybe I'll rejoin A-List at some point, but even if I do, I wouldn't have any expectation of that lasting forever either.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yup, I think there is a big chance Gamepass will go away and it will be us saying, "you remember how good gamepass was...now we have 90 dollar games and they are all launching broken and in need of patches"
mathello
Banned
Can they just shut off ? I mean there are people who subscribed until 2035 in an assumption price hikes will happening.
I see more of it gets more downgraded on the cheapest sku, and more expensive on the ultimate sku, with the middle level keeping price but possibly losing features
Steve Holt
Neo Member
GamePass did have an affect on Xbox users. It certainly changed some of their buying habits. It changed mine when I had a XSX. And the amount of times I have read others on these forums saying "GamePass when?" Or I'll wait for this to appear on Game Pass suggests I wasn't the only one.
But conditioning their users to not pay or wait upon release, must be a factor in their decision for third party publishing.
Wouldn't be too supposed if steer away from that a little more now that they have some mega huge IPs under their belt now.
But conditioning their users to not pay or wait upon release, must be a factor in their decision for third party publishing.
Wouldn't be too supposed if steer away from that a little more now that they have some mega huge IPs under their belt now.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
OMG!!! I was a HUUUUGE Moviepass guy too. Signed up when it was still in Beta mode. I still have my MoviePass card and everything. So heart-breaking that it couldn't succeed. But like you said......I knew the whole time it was LITERALLY a deal too good to stay around. I have Cinemark's "Movie Pass" subscription now. It's okay, but not as good as the OG.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Great point! I'm sure MS will work something out to look after their loyal customers.....(cwl)
I'm sure we will be saying this about gamepass in 10 years
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Totally agree. GamePass is a great idea, looking for a financial problem. The ONLY way it could work is if 100 million plus people signed up for it and paid. If you can convince 100 million people to give you on average $15 per month.....then it pays for itself. Otherwise.........Poof!
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That's definitely an issue, but nothing they couldn't solve.
I think it's because of this reason they have stopped giving away cheap deals (e.g., $1 for 3 months of GPU), redid the regional prices, banned using VPNs, limited the number of years you can stack GPU for, etc. All this is done to minimize how long people can stack Game Pass for.
After a few years pass, and everyone is on the same level-playing field with no stacks, they can (theoretically) say goodbye to Game Pass. Folks who subscribed until 2035 would be extremely small in numbers and can be just refunded, as that'd be cheaper than to continue bearing losses due to Game Pass. The same thing they did with Redfall's expansion packs - they just refunded them as that'd have been easier to develop those expansion content.
Having said that, I don't think they will shut down Game Pass. They'll just drastically change how it looks like. It'll become more like EA Play.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
GPU stacking has always been three years max.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I mean, if you're one of those hardcore types you're probably playing a lot of big new releases right?
Gamepass...doesn't have many of those
Not gonna rewrite the entire list so here's link to something i posted recently
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StreetsofBeige
Member
Sub plans are never for everyone. Comes down to if the customers considers the content and value being worth doing.
If they are the be all and end all, then every person would have gaming, movie, music subs. Along with other kinds of optional subs like MS Office, anti-virus, and Sirius radio. Add it up and every person's monthly bill would have 15 sub plan fees.
Out of all these kinds of subs (there's surely more I didnt write), the only one I got is a GP sub. Dont care about subbing to the rest.
If they are the be all and end all, then every person would have gaming, movie, music subs. Along with other kinds of optional subs like MS Office, anti-virus, and Sirius radio. Add it up and every person's monthly bill would have 15 sub plan fees.
Out of all these kinds of subs (there's surely more I didnt write), the only one I got is a GP sub. Dont care about subbing to the rest.
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Eastwood_333
Banned
He's just stating the obvious. There is nothing controversial here. Xbox has always given gamers the option to play on gamepass or buy the game.
StreetsofBeige
Member
People are just jealous GP has first party games day one, PC too, and skews to lots of recent games that get added to the service. Even includes EA Play. And some are added giving the perception it even gives better value like including MLB The Show for 4 years in a row when Sony (who makes it) charges full price every year.
If any movie or music sub plan included some big budget movies, TV shows and music albums on day one instead of waiting for it to be added later, every user would be drooling it's the best service ever.
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Eastwood_333
Banned
I just don't get it. Phil would put gamepass on PS5/Switch if they allowed it. Why are people upset about a service adding value? I personally don't care about gamepass as an Xbox gamer. I prefer owning my games. But you can't deny the value of gamepass
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yes, it was 3 years when it started. But, unless I'm mistaken, it's now a max of 13 months, right?
StreetsofBeige
Member
Because people are protective of their ecosystem. They'd rather have fewer options, higher prices, and locked into first party services than having a big smorgosbord of choices because if a competing company enters they feel bad their home team is losing.
It's mostly a console player kind of view too. I dont get a sense that all the PC kinds of games coming to console the past 20+ years have PC gamers going ape shit how come Nintendo, PS and Xbox systems get game franchises that have historically been on PC. But a console gamer would complain if it happened to them.
Very similar sentiment when a first party game goes PC. Instead of being happy because it gives choice for everyone (especially cross saves across platforms) and expanded online pools keeping MP alive, or just feeling indifferent because who really cares if Joe or Sally play the same game on their PC 5,000 miles away, they feel betrayed because random people around the world play their video game too.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Sure you can. Just like Phil said, it isn't for everyone. Value is subjective.
Eastwood_333
Banned
What is their to argue here? Thank you, Captain Obvious!
Topher
Identifies as young
Well if you are going to argue that you "can't deny the value of gamepass" then I'd expect something. No? Ok then
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, that's for the Console only tier. GPU (and PC to my best understanding) is still 3 years.
New users can't even sign up for that Console tier anymore but those who kept their running can continue to keep using it. This tier still gets the day 1 games, the new Standard tier is the one where they took off day 1 GP games. (Standard and Console are different)
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Is it really an option when the deal is so damn goood?
If Game Pass is the best deal in gaming (which it is) and gamers' ultimate wet dream....why isn't the service been able to hit 100M subs?
There is no denying that some aspects of the GP discourse have been tinted by "concern trolling". We saw a similar pattern when Microsoft was acquiring ABK, with claims that MS would become a monopoly.
But if someone chooses to take those arguments genuinely or thinks they're worth considering, that's on them; they're eating shit on purpose.
The actual argument is the viability of GP's business model. It's not about value, options, or being consumer-friendly; those are just PR and marketing buzzwords. So, in terms of analysis or the commentocracy around all things gaming, we've seen Phil Spencer's vision completely fail, including Game Pass's role in his master plan
VolticArchangel
Member
Sub stacking is still 3 years across all, not just GPU and PC.
It gets confusing because once you do the trick of converting Gold to GPU, it now gets even lower value if you're stacking to fill the 3 year stack, because once you have redeemed the 2 (years of) gold codes, you're an active sub and active subs don't get the benefit non-subbed/new sub gamepass rates.
They're doing this to both, encourage new consumers and old ones from exploiting the conversion trick.
Eastwood_333
Banned
I personally have no interest in gamepass. But I can also admit it's great value. Do I really have to state this is "MY Opinion"? Do you have a problem with people liking gamepass? It seems to hit a nerve with you and it's weird.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Just like you have your opinion that it provies great value, others may have a different opinion that it doesn't provide great value and then they can certainly "deny the value of gamepass."
Your opinion isn't any more important than others' opinions.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
If GP is basically seen as a way for "buying" AAA games for a fraction of their full price cost at lunch. (especially in the case of CoD)
oh boy, oh boy....Phill did a big poopy business
vaibhavpisal
Member
Has to be the worst take I have seen here in a while
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Has to be the worst take I have seen here in a while
some people like to eat shit. that's up to them
vaibhavpisal
Member
Keeps getting worse …
Eastwood_333
Banned
Yes, and? Where did I say my opinion is more important than others? Obviously I only speak for myself. Thank you, genius!
Little Chicken
Member
Love how "buying games" is being treated as some moral benchmark vs the pearl clutching at people having the sheer audacity to spend their own money on subscriptions.
People are still just angry that Xbox has such a successful and consumer-forward service.
People are still just angry that Xbox has such a successful and consumer-forward service.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
How do you deny value of gamepass?
vaibhavpisal
Member
Gamepass has gotten pretty good lately.
Nothing marketing/PR about it.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Wow. And this is me not eating shit on purpose with your reply that doesn't even understand what my comment was about.
Topher
Identifies as young
If you were saying that is simply your opinion then that is fine. No problem with that at all. Saying the value. cannot be denied isn't a statement that is just about your opinion, but if that is what you meant then ok.
No I have no problem with Game Pass or anyone who likes it. I have Game Pass myself. No nerves were hit here my man.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
How about actually denying it?
Again, best value doesn't mean its best thing out there. We are talking about value here.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So they can deny the value of Game Pass, right?
Eastwood_333
Banned
Yes, your Royal Higness!
Eastwood_333
Banned
????????
vaibhavpisal
Member
Right.
I expected as much. You dont have any point. Want to deny it just cause …
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I don't know what exactly you want to hear?
You do realize that over 2/3rd of even Xbox console userbase did not subscribe to Game Pass, right? Game Pass hasn't grown at all as per Microsoft's expectations. What does that tell you? A huge portion of gamers still don't see enough value in subscribing to that service.
You find value in it, which is good. Someone else may not. I don't understand what the issue is here.
vaibhavpisal
Member
This is what you said
I was interested in hearing how do you deny it.
Apparently you cant.
Gamepass hasn't grown mostly because a lot of people are on multiple systems.
It makes a lot of sense for xbox only folks.