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‘The Walking Dead’ – Season 5, Part 1 – Sundays on AMC

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Prologue

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Why is Shane being mentioned a lot? Rick is no where as extreme as loud mouth Shane. Guy was always flying off the the handle and escalating things.

Rick always gives people a chance, and handled things when he was suppose to. Carol is really the only one who got her hands dirty, with the burning the sick and all.
 

NYR

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Really disappointed that they had to explain so much on Talking Dead - shows how everyone is so forgetable outside of the main group and how they think we,as fans, would catch shit like this. Great ideas and ways to tie the story, but bad storytelling:

e.g. -

1. Mary is Gareth's mom

2. The guy on the slab was Gareth's brother

3. The first guy at the trough was the hippie dude from when Carol got left behind
 
Why is Shane being mentioned a lot? Rick is no where as extreme as loud mouth Shane. Guy was always flying off the the handle.
Shane was right in mentality but the way he went about it was all wrong and would have gotten everyone killed. But he was definitely right about how to survive. I like what gimple said, Shane is the one who set Rick on this path.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
I also liked that Carol sniped a guy firing into the walker herd. Dude never expected it to fire back at him :lol
 

_Isaac

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Really disappointed that they had to explain so much on Talking Dead - shows how everyone one is so forgetable outside of the main group and how they think we as fans would catch shit like this. Great ideas and ways to tie the story, but bad storytelling:.

e.g. -

1. Mary is Gareth's mom

2. The guy on the slab was Gareth's brother

3. The first guy at the trough was the hippie dude from when Carol got left behind

I caught the mom thing and the watch, but I didn't catch the brother and the trough hippie. I didn't even realize it was a guy. What's the story on Gareth's brother. Why was he killed and chopped up?
 

NYR

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I caught the mom thing and the watch, but I didn't catch the brother and the trough hippie. I didn't even realize it was a guy. What's the story on Gareth's brother. Why was he killed and chopped up?
He was killed last season. On Talking Dead they explain it doesn't matter it was his brother, it was considered food and would be processed accordingly.
 

Wookieomg

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Loved the season premiere. Kinda figured they'd cover Terminus for more than an episode, but there was only so much they could do with the group being stuck in a train car. I did like the idea of Terminus though. Scary as fuck place to be locked up at.

And just need to take a second to process how much of a god damn badass Carol has become. Holy shit. Amazing character progression from season 1 to now.

Interested to learn more about the people that were there before Carol wrecked the place, but excited about where the group's heading next.
 
I caught the mom thing and the watch, but I didn't catch the brother and the trough hippie. I didn't even realize it was a guy. What's the story on Gareth's brother. Why was he killed and chopped up?

His brother was the one that was killed in the finale, the one who had Hershel's watch. He was killed when the sniper was trying to get Rick.
 

NYR

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Mad props to the show producers getting away from the formula everyone was expecting. We'll see how long it lasts.
 

_Isaac

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He was killed last season. On Talking Dead they explain it doesn't matter it was his brother, it was considered food and would be processed accordingly.

His brother was the one that was killed in the finale, the one who had Hershel's watch. He was killed when the sniper was trying to get Rick.

Dang. I barely even remember that somebody was killed at that part.

What is up with the watch?

Nothing really. It's just that Carol spots it, and I guess she notices it's the same watch she gave to the hippie couple last season. The guy had gone to Terminus and they just took it from him before he was bled out over the trough.
 

Mononoke

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Shane was right in mentality but the way he went about it was all wrong and would have gotten everyone killed. But he was definitely right about how to survive. I like what gimple said, Shane is the one who set Rick on this path.

Shane actually couldn't habdle it. He had the right idea, but was emotionally unstable and the pressure made him crack. I honestly think if Rick had never showed up, he would have emotionally went off the rails at some point anyways. So while it's true Shane adapted to the new world faster than a lot of people, he was also a wild fire and was eventually going to burn everything.

It's also important to note that a lot of Shanes survival mentality was born out of his displacement of Rick coming back and uprooting his position/life.
 

ElTopo

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Man, this is even gorier then last season. Fucking amazing season opening. I still don't get how guys can hate this. Hope the rest of the season is as good.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
I kinda wish he didn't have that filler episode last season (or two seasons ago). I think his appearance here would have had a much bigger impact.

It still had an impact because 1) he's no longer crazy and 2) they didn't forget about him after "Clear."
 

BasilZero

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That was one amazing episode.

I'm loving a lot of the character spotlights.

Also wow @ the gore and blood - way more than in previous seasons o_O and its only the first episode!
 
I kinda wish he didn't have that filler episode last season (or two seasons ago). I think his appearance here would have had a much bigger impact.

Nah its better because we've known what he's gone through and to see him ok and traveling.....its awesome.

Clear was the best episode of Season 3.
 
Carol doing wetwork. I like it since she manages to do all this killing without coming off as grimdark and introspective about it. She's realistic about without being all philosophizing about how the world really works. Cause goddamn that church lady was hamming that point home.

I thought Tyreese killed him?
I really hope he did and wasn't just saying he did so that Carol would let that dude live. If he does come back, he better come back looking like the Elephant Man.
 

ElTopo

Banned
Also, I find it hilarious that this episode alone is as gory as the old 70's/80's golden age of splatter horror flicks and it's on Basic Cable.

The times they are 'a changing.
 

_Isaac

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Also, I find it hilarious that this episode alone is as gory as the old 70's/80's golden age of splatter horror flicks and it's on Basic Cable.

The times they are 'a changing.

Yeah. Can't show some nips though.

Hannibal is also really violent with odd environmental censorship. Like you can't see a lady's nipples because they're being covered by the antlers that are impaling her torso.
 
Carol doing wetwork. I like it since she manages to do all this killing without coming off as grimdark and introspective about it. She's realistic about without being all philosophizing about how the world really works. Cause goddamn that church lady was hamming that point home.

That's because everyone at this point has internalized Shane's philosophy. Do what's necessary. Carol's like ok....I shot a mentally handicapped kid....nothing I can do that is worse than that.
 
Basically Mary, Gareth and all them were good people who got screwed over when the rapist group came through and destroyed everything. That's when they took the stance its us or them and therefore its always going to be them.

Crazy ass room was more like a memorial to the people lost to the rapists etc. probably hence all the Never again! on the walls.

They embody the idea of going across the line but unable to pull themselves back which was the whole argument rick was having with himself and the governor
This. That's why the rapist dude came out of the box saying "we are all the same".
 

ElTopo

Banned
Weird thing is, nudity is perfectly acceptable on basic cable in Europe and I think Japan. I want to say South America too but I don't know. Definitely Canada.

So, Terminus Survivors are going to be the next big threat this season? I thought their motivation was rushed. I get it, that they were trying to help people and were taken over. But why the fuck would you take the place over and invite more people just to eat them? I get wanting revenge and I get being distrustful but that's a pretty big leap to being a cannibal. They had vehicles so they couldn't scavenge like the other groups?

I would make a guess that when the Terminus Survivors come back (whose leader eerily reminds me of that guy from that Mac book commercials) that we'll get more back story.

Otherwise it's an amazing episode.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
But why the fuck would you take the place over and invite more people just to eat them?

Easier than sending people out to hunt for food. If you don't tell the public/front-facing people that eat the other humans that it's humans, they won't care. It's meat.
 

ElTopo

Banned
Easier than sending people out to hunt for food. If you don't tell the public/front-facing people that eat the other humans that it's humans, they won't care. It's meat.

But everyone was on board for this? Everyone was cool with cannibalism? I don't buy that.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
But everyone was on board for this? Everyone was cool with cannibalism? I don't buy that.

We don't know. All we know is that there was a front-facing group that would "protect" their own and eat what they killed (other humans). As far as we know, the ones/red shirts that were shot by Rick and Carol in these attacks weren't part of that "man behind the curtain" in so far as "outside of protecting the group" functions.

But again: If you could lead animals (in this case humans) into a trap (like they did Rick/crew to the train) to slaughter them/kill them to eat... why wouldn't you do that over tramping around in the woods with walkers wanting to eat you instead.
 
We don't know. All we know is that there was a front-facing group that would "protect" their own and eat what they killed (other humans). As far as we know, the ones/red shirts that were shot by Rick and Carol in these attacks weren't part of that "man behind the curtain" in so far as "outside of protecting the group" functions.

But again: If you could lead animals (in this case humans) into a trap (like they did Rick/crew to the train) to slaughter them/kill them to eat... why wouldn't you do that over tramping around in the woods with walkers wanting to eat you instead.

Nothing suggested on the show or on Talking Dead that people weren't in on it.

They even said on Talking Dead that the backstory of Terminus includes adding more outsiders to the group if they seemed strong and useful and not disgusted that they were fed human meat before the news was broke to them.

They said that they didn't attempt to bring aboard the group that arrived first because Abraham was pitching his "lets go to Washington" to them right away.
 

BizzyBum

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Amazing premier.

And yeah, Ty definitely didn't kill that dude. He kept yelling "I won't!" which I took as he still won't kill. He just fucked him up and left him bloody and unconscious. Talking Dead also hinted at this as he wasn't apart of the "In Memoriam" segment.

You have to imagine him, Gareth, and a few other survivors pop up again, possibly offing some of the cast. I agree with that dude who posted Carol being one of them, just to make Ty feel that much worse. Hell, maybe could be Ty himself.
 

CorvoSol

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Really good episode, I thought. Carol is back with a vengeance, man. Glad they've really built on what she had to do last season and made Tyreese toughen up at the same time.

All of it was great but I'm sad that Michonne lost her sword.
 

ElTopo

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Well if they didn't want to be part of the next meal you had to go along with it.

And who would stop those guys who didn't go along with it from killing the cannibals? They had plenty of guns.

Their motivation for cannibalism just doesn't make sense. If it were established that they were fanatical cultists or whatever then okay.
 

royalan

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Man, just rewatched the trough scene.

That is probably the most difficult scene I've ever watched on this show.

It's not even the goriest scene they've done. Not by a long shot. But the combination of gore and callous brutality. The first time I watched that scene I covered my mouth I was so stunned by it. Never reacted like that before.
 
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