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[SamuraiX-]

Referring the newer episodes back to older ones is what I love about this show, and I'm really enjoying it. I was skeptical about how this half of the season would turn out, but it's heading in a good direction to me.

Right there with you.

My favorite part about this series is remembering back to who all these characters used to be and witnessing what they have become to survive in this world.

In particular, Andrew Lincoln does Rick's character evolution all the justice and then some that it deserves.

 

[More_Badass]

"Things don't get better because you want them to...Your way's gonna destroy this place. It's gonna get people killed. It's already gotten people killed. And I'm not gonna stand by and just let it happen. If you don't fight, you die."

http://youtu.be/pV9R1_K1BJg

Rick was dropping truth bombs, but still not the right way to go about it

 

[the_firewithin]

Rick all like

 

[Prologue]

I hope Deanna doesn't shoot the bucket soon. I actually really like her and she could bring an interesting take to the show.

 

[Leithkorias]

I know rick could take a page or two from the book of shane, but full on Shane?

...shanes dead.

And lusting after another man's lady is partly why.

 

[WarrenMax007]

People are saying that Michonne knocked Rick out to help him. And i felt that she did that for herself. Like "I am good, see, i'm on your side Deanna, don't kick me out, please, please".

 

[EulaCapra]

Holy crap, that Morgan theory...

I cheered when Michonne hit Rick in the back of the head. Don't know why most of are hating on her. No matter how right Rick is, someone needed to check him and bring him down a few crazy pegs from homicidal maniac and not endanger the rest of his group.

And I wonder if they'll pull the trigger on Sasha and Spencer (Deanna's beautiful surviving son) as alluded last episode this or next season.

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It's neat to see comic Andrea stories continue on by proxy.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

And I wonder if they'll pull the trigger on (comic)

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Sasha and Spencer (Deanna's beautiful surviving son) this or next season. It's neat to see comic Andrea stories continue on by proxy.

Spoiler tag that please.

 

[HadesGigas]

People are saying that Michonne knocked Rick out to help him. And i felt that she did that for herself. Like "I am good, see, i'm on your side Deanna, don't kick me out, please, please".

For herself, for him, for everyone else in their group.

Rick was doing himself no favors covered in blood waving a gun around like a crazy person.

 

[SamuraiX-]

People are saying that Michonne knocked Rick out to help him. And i felt that she did that for herself. Like "I am good, see, i'm on your side Deanna, don't kick me out, please, please".

I have no idea how anybody can be interpreting Michonne's intervening like this.

Michonne is as close of a right-hand to Rick as Daryl. There will probably never be any such thing as a betrayal with either of them toward Rick.

What really happened is that Rick just purely lost his shit and was about to do something that he was surely gonna regret and Michonne recognized that he needed a timeout to chill the fuck out.

 

[Toa TAK]

Yeah, as much as I freaked at that moment, Michonne was right to knock him out.

But still, #teamrick

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I have no idea how anybody can be interpreting Michonne's intervening like this.

Michonne is as close of a right-hand to Rick as Daryl. There will probably never be any such thing as a betrayal with either of them toward Rick.

What really happened is that Rick just purely lost his shit and was about to do something that he was surely gonna regret and Michonne recognized that he needed a timeout to chill the fuck out.

QFT

 

[WarrenMax007]

I have no idea how anybody can be interpreting Michonne's intervening like this.

Michonne is as close of a right-hand to Rick as Daryl. There will probably never be any such thing as a betrayal with either of them toward Rick.

What really happened is that Rick just purely lost his shit and was about to do something that he was surely gonna regret and Michonne recognized that he needed a timeout to chill the fuck out.

In the second half of the season there was a point made about how Michonne wants this to work, how she wants to stay in Alexandria.
It was just a feeling i had, during that scene with that stare she had after she knocked him out. It didn't say to me "Thank god, i made it in time before he did something stupid" and more like "I'm the sheriff now, son" ( i'm obviously exaggerating here, but you get the point ).

 

[Sibylus]

Great episode. Rick is losing his gawdamn mind a little bit.

 

[Hidden One]

Rick was like "Alexandria ain't got shit on me! You just live here!"

 

[SamuraiX-]

It was just a feeling i had, during that scene with that stare she had after she knocked him out. It didn't say to me "Thank god, i made it in time before he did something stupid" and more like "I'm the sheriff now, son" ( i'm obviously exaggerating here, but you get the point ).

That's the same face Michonne always makes before, during, and after some shit goes down though.

I think she looked pissed about what had happened and what she had to do because she tried reasoning with Rick multiple times. She told him to just chill, take it slow and try to fit in with Alexandria and then she turns around and he's throwing a guy out of his living room window, waving a gun around and threatening everybody about how they're about to get a comprehensive 101 in how the Ricktatorship runs shit.

 

[MeBecomingI]

Man, Lincoln's acting is so good. Especially in that last episode. He really, really nailed that end.

 

[Rur0ni]

That Sweet'N Low will always bring a man down.

* Rick is of course right, much like Shane was.
* The W person(s) are pretty fucked up.
* Michonne and Sasha are pissing me off with their desperation and PTSD. The woods scene with the flashbacks was maybe a "wake up" call to Michonne though, I hope. You can't be gettin' too comfortable. That's the only thing that makes those two redeemable for me right now if that comes to pass.
* I reckon we're gonna have a one or two character deaths plus the introduction of the W person(s), granted we've lost three characters recently (Beth, Tyreese, Noah). As long as Rick and Carol stay alive (never thought I would say that about her), I'm in a pretty good place. I suspect Jessie will come into the main story line... or her, her kid, or both will die gruesomely and Rick will have some weight on his shoulders.

 

[Alpende]

Liked the episode. The speech from Rick at the end was great, his delivery was really good. Wonder if they're gonna divert from the comics...

Michonne's knockout was great.

 

[Daffy Duck]

That was such a fantastic episode!

Rick was amazing.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Are people serious about Sasha? She has become my favorite character.

Yeah, she's not a favorite but I'm really not seeing the problem here. At least they're giving that actress something to do. And the catalyst for Rick losing his damn mind is essentially because he's horny as fuck. Also, remember, he's a advocate of the broken-window theory(in which he promptly busted through this episode). I can't get down with that.

 

[ElTopo]

. And the catalyst for Rick losing his damn mind is essentially because he's horny as fuck.

Wrong. The catalyst is him worrying about losing Alexandria and the bit of happiness they finally have. It was made pretty obvious when he looks around and he sees people going about their day like the apocalypse never happened.

 

[Alpende]

Just one thing, Carl needs to get a haircut. He looks ridiculous.

 

[Odah]

Just one thing, Carl needs to get a haircut. He looks ridiculous.

He is the girl in the relationship.

 

[Vagabundo]

Rick really needs to cop himself on. If he can't handle people not being on guard 24/7 he needs to go back out into the wilderness.

Michonne was bang to rights knocking him out, before he ended up killing someone.

He might come to his senses and have a big sit down with a couple of the movers and shakers and work with them to sort out the shit, compromise, persuasion etc - of course that won't happen because they need everyone to take sides for Conflict.

Waving your gun around while blood soaked over the unconscious resident of course is one way to go - that is full on Shane - and Shane was a dickbag and never right.

I'd say Rick is behaving like a traumatised War Vet after returning home. PTSD, paranoia, etc...

 

[dogflaps]

I have a question that has been bugging me about TWD for a long time. Why don't they just get a couple of zombies together and cut their arms and jaws off and walk around with them in a practically invincible little bubble, like we used to see Michone do time and time again.

It's possible that I'm missing something that explained this but if not, damn, that's an insane plot hole. We literally saw her walking through vast swathes of zombies completely unharmed and without issue. Why have they suddenly abandoned that method?

 

[Joni]

I have a question that has been bugging me about TWD for a long time. Why don't they just get a couple of zombies together and cut their arms and jaws off and walk around with them in a practically invincible little bubble, like we used to see Michone do time and time again.

It's possible that I'm missing something that explained this but if not, damn, that's an insane plot hole. We literally saw her walking through vast swathes of zombies completely unharmed and without issue. Why have they suddenly abandoned that method?

She never told them. Don't forget, these characters aren't talking. It would be a good way to live, just circle them around the town.

 

[More_Badass]

I have a question that has been bugging me about TWD for a long time. Why don't they just get a couple of zombies together and cut their arms and jaws off and walk around with them in a practically invincible little bubble, like we used to see Michone do time and time again.

It's possible that I'm missing something that explained this but if not, damn, that's an insane plot hole. We literally saw her walking through vast swathes of zombies completely unharmed and without issue. Why have they suddenly abandoned that method?

Would mean less zombie action. Pretty much the only reason

 

[Dreadnought]

I have a question that has been bugging me about TWD for a long time. Why don't they just get a couple of zombies together and cut their arms and jaws off and walk around with them in a practically invincible little bubble, like we used to see Michone do time and time again.

It's possible that I'm missing something that explained this but if not, damn, that's an insane plot hole. We literally saw her walking through vast swathes of zombies completely unharmed and without issue. Why have they suddenly abandoned that method?

Get out and take your logic with you!

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Rick really needs to cop himself on. If he can't handle people not being on guard 24/7 he needs to go back out into the wilderness.

Michonne was bang to rights knocking him out, before he ended up killing someone.

He might come to his senses and have a big sit down with a couple of the movers and shakers and work with them to sort out the shit, compromise, persuasion etc - of course that won't happen because they need everyone to take sides for Conflict.

Waving your gun around while blood soaked over the unconscious resident of course is one way to go - that is full on Shane - and Shane was a dickbag and never right.

I'd say Rick is behaving like a traumatised War Vet after returning home. PTSD, paranoia, etc...

yes he looked crazy doing it but was anything he said wrong at all?

 

[More_Badass]

yes he looked crazy doing it but was anything he said wrong at all?

No, he's totally right but no one listens to a bloody ranting man waving a gun around

 

[Vagabundo]

yes he looked crazy doing it but was anything he said wrong at all?

That's irrelevant. Who is going to trust him now? They think he is a lunatic. I'd be surprised if the let him stay. Maybe they can chalk it up to a mental break down and he can work through the others.

I assume his goal is to get everyone decently ready in case some shit goes down and grow the town. Right now Rick isn't making a lot of sense, he doesn't seem to have a long term plan.

Deanna's long term plan is decent, get people who can grow the place and restart civilisation. She is certainly weak on certain aspects. And if Rick had been sane he could have convinced her to change some of the stupid things that they do. Well that's all history, folks. Time for a showdown.

I think Rick is going to double down on the crazy and try a hostile takeover.

Get out and take your logic with you!

There seems to be very little internal consistency in TWD. Which is a shame.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Rick is too used to people blindly following him.

 

[Staab]

Rick was right until he pulled out the fucking gun.
He definitely went off rails :/

 

[Beefy]

Michonne will obviously regret what she did and help Rick kill everyone.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

That's irrelevant. Who is going to trust him now? They think he is a lunatic. I'd be surprised if the let him stay. Maybe they can chalk it up to a mental break down and he can work through the others.

I assume his goal is to get everyone decently ready in case some shit goes down and grow the town. Right now Rick isn't making a lot of sense, he doesn't seem to have a long term plan.

Deanna's long term plan is decent, get people who can grow the place and restart civilisation. She is certainly weak on certain aspects. And if Rick had been sane he could have convinced her to change some of the stupid things that they do. Well that's all history, folks. Time for a showdown.

I think Rick is going to double down on the crazy and try a hostile takeover.



There seems to be very little internal consistency in TWD. Which is a shame.

Who is going to trust him now? The only people that matter lol. His group will trust him. Rick's long term plan is to live in Alexandria. The problem is the alexandrians ineptitude isn't just putting those idiots in danger but it's putting his whole group in danger. They already lost Noah due to it. What if some shit ACTUALLY popped off? It could be a lot worse. They don't know what they're doing. They've been sheltered and got lucky. They're actually lucky that someone like Rick is the one to go crazy on them rather than the claimers or the governor or whatever else is out there.

Rick has good intentions in the end. And more importantly, Rick delivers results. Everyone else is all talk. He knows that though. He knew he was going to be the asshole of the group the second he gave his ricktatorship speech.

Like I said before, everyone else is a hypocrite. They like to think they haven't become as crazy as him but the SECOND something pops off they're all willing to lean on the dude to get them out of a mess.

 

[Megalosaro]

Carols logic is dumb. He beats hos wife so he has to die.


What about locking him up? The senator needs to do her job and legislate. Draft a constitution

 

[Vagabundo]

Rick is too used to people blindly following him.

That was a good thing out in the wilderness. You need decisive leadership. Someone to take control and people to follow orders.

In civilisation it doesn't work as well, especially when you are trying to integrate with another group with a benevolent dictator.

Effectively they are trying to merge two dictatorships.

Who is going to trust him now? The only people that matter lol. His group will trust him. Rick's long term plan is to live in Alexandria. The problem is the alexandrians ineptitude isn't just putting those idiots in danger but it's putting his whole group in danger. They already lost Noah due to it. What if some shit ACTUALLY popped off? It could be a lot worse. They don't know what they're doing. They've been sheltered and got lucky. They're actually lucky that someone like Rick is the one to go crazy on them rather than the claimers or the governor or whatever else is out there.

Rick has good intentions in the end. And more importantly, Rick delivers results. Everyone else is all talk. He knows that though. He knew he was going to be the asshole of the group the second he gave his ricktatorship speech.

Like I said before, everyone else is a hypocrite. They like to think they haven't become as crazy as him but the SECOND something pops off they're all willing to lean on the dude to get them out of a mess.

All of these things could have been avoided with persuasion and consensus. All he has done now is fuck things up. This was probably the stupidest way of dealing with the conflicting world views.

He also choose this issue - the wife beater - for the wrong reasons. Something he admitted:

"Would you do this for someone else?"

"No"

He is thinking with his dick when he needs to be thinking with his head. He has escalated something that could have been avoided. People will die because of this.

I like Rick and I think he's bee doing what needs to be done, mostly, but maybe he isn't the right person for this process.

And the senator isn't much better. Ignoring the wife beater because they can't think what to do with him and because they need him. Fuck that's cold.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

That was a good thing out in the wilderness. You need decisive leadership. Someone to take control and people to follow orders.

In civilisation it doesn't work as well, especially when you are trying to integrate with another group with a benevolent dictator.

Effectively they are trying to merge two dictatorships.

I think Deanna is smart but just like in gangster movies you have a peace time godfather and a war time godfather. Rick is a war time leader. Deanna isn't equipped. And she's the smartest person there by a mile.

 

[Odah]

Didn't Norman Reedus say something among the lines of "better get your kleenex ready cus youre going to wind up in tears during the finale"

Since Melissa McBride will be on Talking Dead for the finale I think she will get killed by Pete. Getting killed by another abusive husband would be one sad form of irony but if she dies it will truly make people go in tears, even so when Daryl comes back and we see his face once he yet again loses ANOTHER close person to him. Rip feels

edit: This will probably lead to Deanna realizing she was wrong and Rick right afterall and will give him the permission to execute Pete ultimately leading to her giving up the position as a leader once the Wolves got taken out.

 

[More_Badass]

What would really suck is if Pete kills Carol and by the time Daryl gets back to Alexandria, she'll already turned and Daryl has to kill her

That would be a Kleenex moment

But fuck, they better not kill Carol or Daryl.

 

[RangerX]

Fair play to Michonne. Ricks stubborness has been annoying me lately. He keeps repeating that they have to live in the real world but apart from pete I can't see anything else that was going wrong in the town.

 

[Razmos]

Since Melissa McBride will be on Talking Dead for the finale I think she will get killed by Pete. Getting killed by another abusive husband would be one sad form of irony but if she dies it will truly make people go in tears, even so when Daryl comes back and we see his face once he yet again loses ANOTHER close person to him. Rip feels

And then that causes him to run into the arms of Aaron, breaking fangirls hearts everywhere and producing even more tears from damn near every demographic.

 

[Beefy]

Looking at it, Pete killing Carol seems likely. The lil boy could just tell him that he 'basically' told Carol, so he see's it as her fault that Rick has got involved.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Rick "I used to talk to my dead wife on the telephone" Grimes says others need to live in the real world?

 

[Beefy]

Fair play to Michonne. Ricks stubborness has been annoying me lately. He keeps repeating that they have to live in the real world but apart from pete I can't see anything else that was going wrong in the town.

You would be pretty messed up if you went through what Rick has.

 

[Toa TAK]

Rick "I used to talk to my dead wife on the telephone" Grimes says others need to live in the real world?

But wasn't that really his start of his own realization that he needed to live in the real world, though?

 

[More_Badass]

Fair play to Michonne. Ricks stubborness has been annoying me lately. He keeps repeating that they have to live in the real world but apart from pete I can't see anything else that was going wrong in the town.

The town didn't have a lookout, built the walls with supports that could easily be climbed (a flaw even Rick pointed out), has a rule of leaving people behind to save themselves, and sends the most incompetent idiots on runs...

They're not living in the real world

 

[RangerX]

You would be pretty messed up if you went through what Rick has.

I get that but so has Michonne,Glen and Maggie. They want it to work. Rick and Carol were plotting to take over the place from the start. Even Daryl wasn't too enthusiastic about the idea.

 

[Vagabundo]

I think Deanna is smart but just like in gangster movies you have a peace time godfather and a war time godfather. Rick is a war time leader. Deanna isn't equipped. And she's the smartest person there by a mile.

You're partially right. Rick should have been given control of the defence of the town. All activity outside of the town walls would have been under his remit - he could have given control of the supply raids to Glen and Construction procurement to Abe, and Daryl and the other guy recon/recruitment. They would get to pick their own people etc.

On the civilian side Deanna should have been drafting up a constitution, with bylaws and punishments, and a town council for decisions, and everyone gets one vote etc. Rick maybe gets a seat at the council, with a couple of others as permanent councillors the rest are elected from the community.

If Deanna couldn't see this coming she isn't that smart. Rick is good and intelligent but is isn't a deep thinker. Whereas she should be trying to nip these conflicts in the bud.

She also seems to leave him hanging as Sheriff without any guidance as to what he was suppose to do. Was it busy work?

I suppose the writers wanted this to go to hell with overt internal conflict, but I think it would have worked much better as a town growing against the odds until it comes into conflict with some outside force. Once there was a system in place a few more outside groups could have nee introduced to spice things up. I think it would have been cool to watch in a way that the prison never was.