1-UP Show/CO-OP Alumni: Kickstarter: VG Culture Docu Series (210K Goal)

May not be obvious from my username unless you were around in The 1UP Show days, but this is Matt Chandronait, part of AREA 5. I'm up to my eyeballs in managing the Kickstarter, of course, so I apologize that I don't have time to go back and read the whole thread, but it makes perfect sense to me that there would be questions about the budget. If you've got something you'd like to know, (budget or otherwise)--reply back! I may not be able to respond right away, but the whole beauty about this Internet Forums thing I keep hearing about is that even if I don't have time to reply until the meager depths of night we can still have a discussion. Hooray modernity!

Here's one Matt. With an 18 month production schedule (according to the kickstarter page), how much of Area5's time is this project going to receive? Are you going to continue commercial work during that time?

There is the perception in this thread that part of your funding amount is going to go towards cost-of-living stuff. Will Outerlands funding be your only source of income during the production period?
 
Here's one Matt. With an 18 month production schedule (according to the kickstarter page), how much of Area5's time is this project going to receive? Are you going to continue commercial work during that time?

There is the perception in this thread that part of your funding amount is going to go towards cost-of-living stuff. Will Outerlands funding be your only source of income during the production period?

Fair questions!

To the part about cost-of-living stuff. Crowdfunding a project like a videogame or a film is you becoming a patron in the exact Renaissance-era sense of the word. You're at least partially fronting the funds that will be required for the people to survive long enough as an entity to finish a project you believe in. Yes, Area 5 lives in SF. Why should "we," the crowdfunding public, be helping them to live in a city they choose to make their home? It's not the funders' fault it's expensive to live there. I get where the idea comes from, but there's a cognitive disconnect. If you follow that line of reasoning; you shouldn't have backed Mighty No.9 because Tokyo and Osaka are crazy expensive places to live and Double Fine should give back a million dollars or two because they're based in San Francisco, too. They should just move out. Perhaps you believe our project deserves more justification for its base of operations than theirs. I submit, rather, that our endeavor is no less sincere and that we have no intention of spending any more money than we have to on keeping us alive while we make Outerlands. I can understand that such doubts could be assuaged by offering more justifications and, perhaps, outlining the five years of intense sacrifices my team has made and the financial hardships we've faced to keep doing what we love, but if the doubts require that kind of audit of our lives and lifestyle, I can offer no solace. It's no more than any other crowdfunded project has ever asked.

What I can offer up is some more visibility into what we've already communicated (thanks David Hellman!). Travel and backer rewards should be fairly straightforward, but what may not be as obvious are things like contract labor. It's not just AREA 5 making this. It's AREA 5 paying people what they deserve to help us make it. We have not asked, nor will we ask, our musicians to give us their music for free. We will be licensing tracks and some of the budget is set aside for some custom tracks so that the Outerlands Soundtrack can have some truly original gems. We do have some music, design, and other help that will be pro-bono—Everyone has friends—but I won't be sharing what we're paying and who's getting paid as that would be outing them to any other contracts and deals they might be working on. Which, if that isn't clear, is a dick move. We may not hit our freelancers stretch goal, but that was always in addition to budget we've set aside to pay the necessary help we need to get Outerlands made.

Which leads to the other point above--we're still a production company. Yes, we'll be doing other work while in production on Outerlands. In the past five years we've often had crews in different spots doing different jobs simultaneously. This is, in fact, the only way a production company can stay in business. Even if you're Bad Robot. We have a stable of camera people, sound people, editors, producers, grips, and so on that we can call on to help depending on the size of the job. Of course Outerlands is going to be our primary focus, but this doesn't preclude us from other work. In fact, other work can only benefit Outerlands. Profit that goes back into Area 5 gives us more to spend on gear or even personnel; maybe even let us make more international trips or tell more stories in an episode.
 
this whole idea of your money going directly to pay someone's rent is such bullshit

you're not directly paying for living expenses, you're paying someone for their time and work. their salary.
yes that probably goes to living expenses, but thats none of your business. maybe all of them have some side job that fully pays their bills, does that mean they shouldnt be paid for the work they do on this project somehow?
time = money
 
Two reasons I haven't backed this even though I love 1up show

1. I didn't care much for Last of Us documentary. It was serviceable, but I didn't feel like it provided much insight into the studio or into the game.
2. The Kicktstarter projects that I did fund (very few actually) did not turn out to be what I was expecting and I don't want to be burned again.

Is it wrong for me to pass on this?
 
Matt,

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but since you're here... Other than the SF and TLoU docs where have you guys been since Co-Op ended? Just working on a ton of lower-profile stuff? Shooting weddings (half-joke)? Anything you can share? You guys still exist as an entity so you're financially solvent (at least for the most part, right?) but I can't imagine two projects sustaining the company for years. Just curious! Adore you guys, glad I have the chance to give back with this KS. Backed early, spreading the word as best I can.
 
Two reasons I haven't backed this even though I love 1up show

1. I didn't care much for Last of Us documentary. It was serviceable, but I didn't feel like it provided much insight into the studio or into the game.
2. The Kicktstarter projects that I did fund (very few actually) did not turn out to be what I was expecting and I don't want to be burned again.

Is it wrong for me to pass on this?

I don't think so. I was backing it till I seen the short that starts out with a guys cat then its a shit load of video game magazine footage. I have a collection of magazines and a cat. I want this to be something awesome and something that me living colorado is out of my realm of possibility to see or be around. Said it before in my last post but that video fleshed out what I didn't want this to be and I removed my backing. It doesn't look like this is going to get made but maybe a shorter set or something cheaper would be a good way to get us going and not influenced by a short or other kickstarters that sucked. Plus knowing they are going to be working on other stuff while this is supposed to be being made sucks too. If I back this I want it done fairly quickly and not piecemeal over a long time. I understand why they are working on other things but for this price it should be a time period of only work on this for what is asked of the kickstarter.

Would be nice to get our WTF with Marc Maron of the videogame world where its just a low budget interesting series of interviews or podcasts about the developers and community around the thing we are all interested in.
 
I would never begrudge anyone for not backing just because you don't dig the project or the samples shown, or have enough faith that the product will turn out nice based on the team's past experience.

I would never say it is "wrong" for you to pass on it.

But I also agree with Matt that it is unreasonable to ask artists who are asking for some patronage for a full accounting of their living expenses before you'll kick in $20 for their documentary. $20k... maybe!
 
I applaud Matt for coming out and saying they are panhandling. Honesty is always appreciated. I may back the project now.
 
Outerlands may appear on Hulu. They just put the announcement.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/area5/outerlands-season-one/posts/741842
Should our little Kickstarter get successfully funded, we have the opportunity to distribute Outerlands on Hulu and Hulu Plus! Of course it's absolutely Kickstarter backers first. If Outerlands does show up anywhere, it would be months after the backers have received their digital or physical copies of the series and most of the Special Edition content will be exclusive to owners of the digital Special Edition or Special Edition Blu-Ray sets. For AREA 5 and for Outerlands, this opens up a lot of doors we never expected. Hulu has been making a strong showing lately with their gaming content like the KAZ documentary and Halo: Forward Unto Dawn. We'd like to believe that Outerlands would be right at home along side those. If we're not Kickstarted, there still won't be a Season One to distribute anywhere, but if Hulu sees such strong potential in Outerlands, maybe there's enough of you out there that we can keep this rocket-train rocketing on!
 
It did good today, it did more than 12000$.

By the way, everyone on the old 45$ tier should switch to the new one for the free FEZ soundtrack. You just get more stuff for free.
 
Two reasons I haven't backed this even though I love 1up show

1. I didn't care much for Last of Us documentary. It was serviceable, but I didn't feel like it provided much insight into the studio or into the game.
2. The Kicktstarter projects that I did fund (very few actually) did not turn out to be what I was expecting and I don't want to be burned again.

Is it wrong for me to pass on this?

I'm in the exact opposite boat.

I really enjoyed their last of us and streetfighter work.

I've been super happy with the projects I've backed.

That said the pitch for this doesn't appeal to me all especially with the kicker that someone I actively dislike for personal reasons is involved in the periphery. Game culture is the least favorite thing about this hobby for me.

Would gladly buy any future game centered stuff they do though.
 
I have backed this project at a level far beyond any previous Kickstarter pledge I've made. I have many reservations about it, to be sure, but it's a project that I feel needs to exist, whether it comes from the Area 5 guys or from some other team. Outerlands is a project that's long overdue, honestly-- it was a good idea years ago, and it's still a good idea; it's just that no one has done it yet. Something like Outerlands needs to exist, it needs to be high-quality, and it needs to be organized by people that are doing it because they believe in it and want to do it justice.
 
I backed hard enough to get the Blu Ray edition. It's pretty awesome assembling a library of these guys' work.
 
I don't meant to sound like a dick, but what the hell is a "digital poster"? Do they just email you a .jpg?

As a huge fan of the 1UP Show, pretty close to backing, have a calendar reminder to check on it closer to the end date.
 
My Twitter will be full of people who are friend of Area5, but who believe in the project and want to see the finished product.

We probably follow the same people.
 
I don't meant to sound like a dick, but what the hell is a "digital poster"? Do they just email you a .jpg?

As a huge fan of the 1UP Show, pretty close to backing, have a calendar reminder to check on it closer to the end date.

From the kick starter page
POSTER (DIGITAL DOWNLOAD) - A high-resolution PDF that you can print out at your leisure and use for your own purposes.
 
man, im gonna be really bummed if this doesn't reach its goal. i really want to watch these

@matt: will you guys look into other ways of producing this anyway if the kickstarter fails? or maybe a scaled down version
 
Backed, it'll be a crime if this doesn't reach it's goal! Would donate more if I could :( The world needs more passion projects like this, you guys rock!
 
From the kick starter page

Thanks, sorry I missed that.

I ended up backing it.

I do hope the series is "fun" in some cases, for lack of a better word. While I appreciate the subjects they are looking to tackle, I don't want it to take itself too seriously?

As a practical example. The half of "Indie Game: The Movie" that focused on Team Meat: Great! The half that focused on Phil Fish - trying too hard to be "deep".
 
Two reasons I haven't backed this even though I love 1up show

1. I didn't care much for Last of Us documentary. It was serviceable, but I didn't feel like it provided much insight into the studio or into the game.
2. The Kicktstarter projects that I did fund (very few actually) did not turn out to be what I was expecting and I don't want to be burned again.

Is it wrong for me to pass on this?

Yes.

I liked the LOTU documentary more than you did, but at the end of the day, it was created for Sony and Naughty Dog. I'm sure there was a limit of what they could get into and say. I don't think think it's a super accurate representation of Area5's journalistic abilities.

If you loved the 1UP Show and COOP, I think you need to back this. They produced an episode every week for two years, which proves they are capable of producing something and sticking to it. I don't think you should worry about being burned by the Kickstarter format.

At the end of the day, it's about whether or not the pitch and the shorts interest you. But if it does, I think you should really back it.
 
Considering the final day bump that every KS gets, I'm pretty confident this will get funded now. It's just too bad it won't hit many if any of it's stretch goals. I don't begrudge anyone for not backing it, but I still find it kind of sad how lukewarm the response has been.
 
Considering the final day bump that every KS gets, I'm pretty confident this will get funded now. It's just too bad it won't hit many if any of it's stretch goals. I don't begrudge anyone for not backing it, but I still find it kind of sad how lukewarm the response has been.

I have the feeling these guys are capable of budgeting the project appropriately, and I think they estimated the value and funding they could get out of Kickstarter pretty well.

Stretch goals should just be there if something goes runaway. Hit a project goal is the sign of a well-planned kickstarter.

Glad things are looking good for this.
 
I have the feeling these guys are capable of budgeting the project appropriately, and I think they estimated the value and funding they could get out of Kickstarter pretty well.

Stretch goals should just be there if something goes runaway. Hit a project goal is the sign of a well-planned kickstarter.

Glad things are looking good for this.

Yeah, I agree. I'm sure anything they produce pre-stretch goals will still be great.
 
Considering how beloved their videos were/are, I'm a bit disappointed this hasn't been funded yet.

I find that it's not getting enough word of mouth. I follow tonnes of industry and journo folks on twitter, read a few of the bigger blogs, and so on, but I found out about it here on GAF. And I'm still not really seeing mentions of it on twitter. I think we need to start talking about it there (again).
 
Considering the final day bump that every KS gets, I'm pretty confident this will get funded now. It's just too bad it won't hit many if any of it's stretch goals. I don't begrudge anyone for not backing it, but I still find it kind of sad how lukewarm the response has been.

I agree. I rarely kickstart anything but I had to jump in on this one as soon as I heard about it. I owe these guys, I really hope they can make this series.

Maybe it's just been so long since the 1upocalypse that the kids don't know who these guys are and why they're awesome?
 
I find that it's not getting enough word of mouth. I follow tonnes of industry and journo folks on twitter, read a few of the bigger blogs, and so on, but I found out about it here on GAF. And I'm still not really seeing mentions of it on twitter. I think we need to start talking about it there (again).

Yea, there doesn't seem to be a lot of attention for it from the larger gaming sites.
 
i dont get how this isn't doing better, even ignoring the "hey remember 1up show and coop? we made that stuff, so if you're nostalgic about those fund this too" thing, this looks fucking great and i don't know how a fan of gaming wouldn't want to see this made

this is exactly what i've wanted ever since g4 had that show icons back when they at least were sort of a gaming channel


all you have to do is watch the clip on the kickstarter page, or the street fighter doc, or the last of us doc and you can see they know what they're doing
 
Considering how beloved their videos were/are, I'm a bit disappointed this hasn't been funded yet.

Could that be an issue with the idea though? I loved their old stuff but like a couple of others here the pitch for the show doesn't really appeal to me in terms of forking out money to fund the project. If it was a new 1UP Show style project then I'd pay upfront in a heartbeat, but with this it's not a proven thing. I wish them great success though and will be seeing how it goes.
 
Could that be an issue with the idea though? I loved their old stuff but like a couple of others here the pitch for the show doesn't really appeal to me in terms of forking out money to fund the project. If it was a new 1UP Show style project then I'd pay upfront in a heartbeat, but with this it's not a proven thing. I wish them great success though and will be seeing how it goes.

Have you watched the Frank Cifaldi preview short yet?

@LiK: Seeing lots of mentions from A5 peeps like Ryan, but outside of them, noone really.
 
I find that it's not getting enough word of mouth. I follow tonnes of industry and journo folks on twitter, read a few of the bigger blogs, and so on, but I found out about it here on GAF. And I'm still not really seeing mentions of it on twitter. I think we need to start talking about it there (again).

I do think making the subject a documentary about gaming culture and people made for a difficult set of talking points. The project doesn't sell itself without the experience of the people behind it.

"A documentary about gaming culture" is not as compelling without "from the guys at Area5" behind it. And explaining that last part can take a bit of effort for the folks who aren't already familiar with them.

But considering how much of the gaming video content that is so profitable these days, and owes so much to these pioneers, I was hoping for a little more hype.
 
I'm going to PM EviLore to ask if he can sticky this thread to the top of Gaming for the rest of the week.

If this happens, it'd be nice if the OP could update the 1st post a bit to reflect the funding status and move some of the preview vids to the top.

EDIT: PM sent, I'm also going to harass him via Twitter. :)
 
I'm going to PM EviLore to ask if he can sticky this thread to the top of Gaming for the rest of the week.

If this happens, it'd be nice if the OP could update the 1st post a bit to reflect the funding status and move some of the preview vids to the top.

Why is this Kickstarter the one to require being 'stickied'? Take the advertisements to Twitter.
 
Why is this Kickstarter the one to require being 'stickied'? Take the advertisements to Twitter.

I understand where you're coming from, honestly. EviLore may feel the same way and that's cool too.

If you'll let me make a case for this project: I feel that this series is a proposal from people with a proven track record, they're well-respected (by most GAFfers, I think), and this KS is a project that's likely to succeed and provide educational aspects about video game culture and the people that make up this industry from many angles.

If it's Sticky'd, it'd only last until 15 Feb, when the funding period ends.

To play devil's advocate to all of this: I agree it could set a precedent for favouritism, absolutely. EviLore can decide. This is his forum. I don't expect him to Sticky this, but wanted to try anyway.
 
He'll say no but it's cool, these guys will get funded.
 
I understand where you're coming from, honestly. EviLore may feel the same way and that's cool too.

If you'll let me make a case for this project: I feel that this series is a proposal from people with a proven track record, they're well-respected (by most GAFfers, I think), and this KS is a project that's likely to succeed and provide educational aspects about video game culture and the people that make up this industry from many angles.

If it's Sticky'd, it'd only last until 15 Feb, when the funding period ends.

That's all fine and dandy, but I don't recall Kickstarters such as Indie Game: The Movie, the 2Player documentary, etc., requiring such visibility. They were funded through their own self-promotion and this Area 5 project shouldn't be any different.

If it doesn't get funded, then clearly the interest isn't there. It's not for the lack of trying, either. I've heard mentions of this project on the majority of podcasts I listen to, twice with Matt C on them.
 
It's amazing to me 3 people have pledged $10,000 to this project. That has to be some parents or family members of the Area 5 guys.

How wealthy would a normal person have to be to justify that kind of gift?
 
That's all fine and dandy, but I don't recall Kickstarters such as Indie Game: The Movie, the 2Player documentary, etc., requiring such visibility. They were funded through their own self-promotion and this Area 5 project shouldn't be any different.

If it doesn't get funded, then clearly the interest isn't there. It's not for the lack of trying, either. I've heard mentions of this project on the majority of podcasts I listen to, twice with Matt C on them.

Same thing with Republique. Every podcast was talking about it, and Ryan Payton was out there talking about how he thought that portable gaming was dead and that AAA development was needed on cellphones. It took them changing their tune and promising a PC port of the game and it just barely got funded.

I'm still bitter that got funded at the last minute.
 
It's amazing to me 3 people have pledged $10,000 to this project. That has to be some parents or family members of the Area 5 guys.

How wealthy would a normal person have to be to justify that kind of gift?

Maybe some devs? The Area5 guys seem very nice, wouldn't surprise me if they had a few wealthy fans.
 
Yea, there doesn't seem to be a lot of attention for it from the larger gaming sites.

Do the bigger sites see it as competition? Polygon for example seems to report of every promising kickstarter games project, but they haven't mentioned this project yet.
 
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