120/144Hz Thread of Lightboosting Pixel Perfect Headshots

I'm hoping for more options similar to the ROG Swift for less hopefully, in the next year or so. Is this unlikely? I have a Qnix, so I'm hesitant to get a 1080P panel at 27".
 
Zeth said:
I'm hoping for more options similar to the ROG Swift for less hopefully, in the next year or so. Is this unlikely? I have a Qnix, so I'm hesitant to get a 1080P panel at 27".
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I don't think it's unlikely at all. I would expect there to be quite a few more options by mid-2015 for gsync monitors.
 
opticalmace said:
I got a BenQ XL2411Z a few days ago and I'm trying to decide whether or not to keep it.

What I like:
- Good price ($230 CAD)
- Works great in FPS games, like Quake Live
- Colours are decent

What I don't like:
- Sometimes doesn't show DVI signal when I boot my PC? Might be really annoying long term.
- Bad menus, takes like 15-20 sec to switch from 'standard' to 'FPS' (game mode)
- No speakers
- Not G-Sync, but obviously that's not a knock against the monitor...

My old monitor is a 24" 1920x1200 60Hz TN panel. I like it, but I've had it over 5 years and was thinking of getting something new (either with G-Sync, 144Hz, or higher res/IPS).

Ideally I would get a G-Sync IPS panel and an Nvidia card (I have a 6950 right now), but it might be a long while before they are prevalent and cheap enough, which is why I was thinking of going with this kind of cheap stopgap. I'm really undecided right now, as the dislikes could be really annoying to live with.

Any thoughts?
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So I test drove this monitor for a week. Never had any connections or problems on boot. Pretty sure I had v2.

You can just config the setting under Standard to be your FPS or click the leftmost button to turn LB on or off (you prob want brightness changed too though)

I was very impressed with LB at 120 and the BlurBusters tool and the price.
 
Hazaro said:
So I test drove this monitor for a week. Never had any connections or problems on boot. Pretty sure I had v2.

You can just config the setting under Standard to be your FPS or click the leftmost button to turn LB on or off (you prob want brightness changed too though)

I was very impressed with LB at 120 and the BlurBusters tool and the price.
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It's certainly a nice monitor. I also had V2. Not sure why I had the DVI problem, could be due to my graphics driver or otherwise. Out of curiosity, how do you make the setting under Standard become FPS1? I know there are a few custom profiles, but upon Googling I found that there are some options you can't engage in the custom profiles.

If I didn't have the DVI problem I probably would have kept it.
 
Loving the Acer so far. The only issues so far seem driver related (g-sync + sli + DSR is currently a no go) or game related (certain games refusing to go higher than 60 hz like pinball arcade and assassin's creed 4) or in one case a game out right refusing to run in g-sync (Dirt 3).

ULMB is fantastic for games that I'm keeping 120 hz and above on. 3D is great on the games that it's great on. G-sync is great on most everything else.
 
Hey guys, I want to jump onto the Gsync higher HZ monitor that is compatible to down sampling up to 4K or maybe more now that I have my new PC and want to make use of my MSI GTX 970 SLI configuration. What would you guys recommend at a good price?

My current monitor is an Samsung SyncMaster 23 inches I have had for quite a few years.

EDIT: Is this good?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-065-AC
 
ZombieFred said:
Hey guys, I want to jump onto the Gsync higher HZ monitor that is compatible to down sampling up to 4K or maybe more now that I have my new PC and want to make use of my MSI GTX 970 SLI configuration. What would you guys recommend at a good price?

My current monitor is an Samsung SyncMaster 23 inches I have had for quite a few years.

EDIT: Is this good?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-065-AC
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That's only a 60 Hz monitor unfortunately.
 
My monitor backlight seems to be dying, so it's time to look at high refresh rate/G-sync.

I'm wondering how many games are framecapped (or buggy >60Hz) though, is there a good, updated list somewhere? The Blurbusters "Hall of Shame" thread has quite a few games I'd like to play on it, and I'm wondering how many it's missing.
 
The Eizo Foris FG2421 and the others mentioned are also good for PS3 and x360?

I'm planning to upgrade my old Syncmaster 940mw that I have connected to my PC with a new monitor for PC+old gen consoles combo.
 
I'm thinking of getting the Asus VG248QE with G-Sync module: http://overlordcomputer.com/collecti...ync#oid=1002_1

Do you guys think this is basically the best bet for 1080p 144hz GSync monitor at this point? How does this monitor work in terms of using GSYNC and Ultra Low Motion Blur (ULMB)? Is there some kind of toggle or what?

Edit: Also, is there any other place where I can buy the VG248QE with the GSync module installed other than the site I linked to above?
 
loganclaws said:
I'm thinking of getting the Asus VG248QE with G-Sync module: http://overlordcomputer.com/collecti...ync#oid=1002_1

Do you guys think this is basically the best bet for 1080p 144hz GSync monitor at this point? How does this monitor work in terms of using GSYNC and Ultra Low Motion Blur (ULMB)? Is there some kind of toggle or what?

Edit: Also, is there any other place where I can buy the VG248QE with the GSync module installed other than the site I linked to above?
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I have this monitor from these same dudes. You can either use G-Sync or ULMB, not both at the same time. G-Sync is enabled in the Nvidia control panel. ULMB has a toggle button on the monitor itself. They're both awesome and have different uses, I use ULMB in CSGO and G-Sync in everything else.

Here is a review I wrote of it a while back:

I recently got a VG246QE with G-Sync and have been using it for around a week so I figured I'd post my impressions for anyone on the fence. This is my first monitor upgrade in a long while and I am upgrading from a previous 120hz TN 1680x1050 panel which was one of the earliest 120hz consumer screens.

1. Colors: The colors are way better than my old 120hz screen from 2006ish, I understand they are probably terrible compared to a modern IPS screen. However I've always valued the response time over color reproduction which is what led me to 120hz+ screens to begin with (I found LCDs near unusable before they were introduced, and would still use my old Iiyama CRT). I went through the lagom.nl LCD tests with this screen and it seemed to pass all of them, so I'm pretty happy with how it looks. If you are super into the best colors though you should probably look elsewhere.

2. Resolution: I debated waiting for a 1440p monitor but really I think 1080p will be the sweet spot for me in these coming years as I use midrange PC hardware and 1440p will be hard to maintain at framerates I like. Pretty much how 1680x1050 was for me this past few years. Pretty happy with it.

3. G-Sync: It's amazing. I've been going back and playing some graphically demanding games on my i5-750/660 setup and it really is a striking difference. I think it is really good for where I stand on the hardware power spectrum and will help a lot with the upcoming games of this current generation. A trained eye will probably not confuse 40fps for 60fps like some of the previews said, but the fact is that drops to 40-50fps are FAR less disruptive to the overall smoothness and responsiveness of the picture. When I first started playing Metro Last Light I was watching the FPS counter like a hawk to make note of the drops, but before long I had just forgot it entirely and got sucked into the experience, playing through demanding areas and scenes without the performance issues reaching my mind. It's a really nice upgrade and I highly recommend it.

4. ULMB: I missed out on Lightboost because I kept my previous 120hz screen for so long and that was from before Lightboost was a thing, so I skipped right to the new implementation that comes with G-Sync called ULMB. It's pretty incredible, it's one of those things I didn't know I was actually missing out on because I didn't think I had much motion blur to begin with. Loading up CS:GO or the scrolling tests on the blur busters site quickly educated me. One thing to note is the colors do suffer in ULMB mode, and everything does get a 'washed out' look. For the games that I would use this on like CS:GO, I don't mind that because for competitive games you kind of stop caring about the graphics anyway, but it is definitely something to note for people who are going to want to use it on everything. I have yet to try it in 3D.

Overall I'm really impressed with the screen and I recommend if it you are already familiar and OK with TN panels.
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grandwizard said:
I have this monitor from these same dudes. You can either use G-Sync or ULMB, not both at the same time. G-Sync is enabled in the Nvidia control panel. ULMB has a toggle button on the monitor itself. They're both awesome and have different uses, I use ULMB in CSGO and G-Sync in everything else.

Here is a review I wrote of it a while back:
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Great, thank you!
 
I have to replace my monitor since it died recently, thinking of going 120 or 144Hz. I've got a 4690k and R9 280 (not 280X), so I may not always be able to maintain the respective 120 or 144 fps, depending on the game. I understand that hitting those numbers is preferred to match the fps to the refresh rate, but if I can't always do that, how bad will it be?
 
opticalmace said:
Some of y'all might be interested to know that production is starting or will soon start on 144Hz IPS panels (1080p and 1440p).

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/31.htm#144hz_ips
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Could still be a while away but that's good news.

How bad is a TN panel vs an IPS? I ask because I'm most likely going to buy one at the end of the year...

I'm thinking about getting the AOC 24" G2460PG which has the G-Sync module inside, I assume this is worth the $100 extra for the G-Sync over the Benq/Asus models which don't have the G-Sync?

Anyone got the AOC monitor and can comment on it?
 
Anybody using G-Sync have instances of screen tearing? I've been trying to game on my PC more lately with my 560ti but there's so much tearing that I'm just stopping. Even on older games like Mass Effect.
 
OnionPowder said:
Anybody using G-Sync have instances of screen tearing? I've been trying to game on my PC more lately with my 560ti but there's so much tearing that I'm just stopping. Even on older games like Mass Effect.
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The point of G-Sync is that it eliminates tearing by matching the screen's refresh to when the video card renders a frame.
 
So I decided to finally get a VG248QE. I set it up today and holy shit.

These colors are TERRIBLE. I'm coming from an IPS display btw. I didn't think I would notice as I'd never been super picky about colors but holy shit. I've gotten to a point where I think I'm happy with the colors after calibrating and installing custom color profiles. But still after about an hour of work it still miles behind my old IPS display.

Also, how normal is it for these displays to have inconsistent coloring? The upper left area of this panel is definitely giving me darker colors. I'm thinking I'll have to warranty or RMA this panel but if that's the case I'm just going back to my IPS display and returning this.
 
I upgraded my computer internals a little while back and next up is a rather desperately needed upgrade for my monitors. I've got a dual monitor setup, both of them matching bargain 20" deals I got from Best Buy on sale like 6 or 7 years back. I'd like to upgrade to one of the new, fancy 24" 120/144 Hz G-Sync monitors, but I really only have the budget for one of those right now. Will having a second, non-g-sync compatible, 60 Hz monitor hooked up cause any issues?
 
So, anyone buying the Philips 272G5DYEB? I really want a 1080p G-SYNC monitor, and I think this might be the best one for me. I have a Benq XL2420T now.
 
adamantypants said:
So I decided to finally get a VG248QE. I set it up today and holy shit.

These colors are TERRIBLE. I'm coming from an IPS display btw. I didn't think I would notice as I'd never been super picky about colors but holy shit. I've gotten to a point where I think I'm happy with the colors after calibrating and installing custom color profiles. But still after about an hour of work it still miles behind my old IPS display.

Also, how normal is it for these displays to have inconsistent coloring? The upper left area of this panel is definitely giving me darker colors. I'm thinking I'll have to warranty or RMA this panel but if that's the case I'm just going back to my IPS display and returning this.
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It's impossible to get consistent colors across the whole panel on a decently large TN.

And yeah, my experience was the same ("holy shit this is terrible"). I've only used PVA/IPS displays for a decade. (My G-sync VG248QE is back in its box)
 
So is the rog swift the only quality option to get at the time being for a Gsync monitor? I hesitate because it's $1000 in Australia and it's 27inch and the ppi is no better than a 24" 1080p panel?

The OP says the asus vg248qe is decent but the last few posts says otherwise.
 
Sorry if this has been answered before, but is there anyway to put the monitor into lightboost mode while playing consoles (Wii U in this case, though I doubt it matters) through it? I'd love to have less motion blur while playing Bayonetta 2.

Some Benq displays can be configured to allow strobing at 60Hz. As far as I know, no other displays allow strobing with refresh rates that low since it can result in visible flickering and extra eyestrain.
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Well, I've run RetroArch at 60Hz with backlight strobing, and while it does cause a visible "wave" to go across the screen it also crazily improves motion clarity. Though I guess the monitor is still running at 120Hz in that case. Unfortunate.
 
TyrantGuardian said:
Sorry if this has been answered before, but is there anyway to put the monitor into lightboost mode while playing consoles (Wii U in this case, though I doubt it matters) through it? I'd love to have less motion blur while playing Bayonetta 2.
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Some Benq displays can be configured to allow strobing at 60Hz. As far as I know, no other displays allow strobing with refresh rates that low since it can result in visible flickering and extra eyestrain.
http://www.blurbusters.com/benq/strobe-utility/
 
No idea if this is still a good one, but QNIX QX2710 Evo II is on Newegg flash for $289 with free shipping.

http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/9SIA4JH1NB1871?nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordsNF-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwordsNF-PC-_-pla-_-LCD+%2f+LED+Monitors-_-9SIA4JH1NB1871&gclid=CjwKEAjwrNeiBRD3goG_1s-0_XMSJADuGQQcQrwT7IFuTh71QcED3llffERYA9cYaozC_MUeD-cwXBoCB1Xw_wcB

I'm really debating on picking up an nVidia card (970). I've been on ATI for years, but all this gsync stuff seems to be the future. Got a r9 280X last December. Hrm....

I'm nowhere near a 'competitive gamer'. Just want to be able to enjoy Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen in smooth, colorful glory.
 
I see that the Benq XL2420G, their GSync monitor. I haven't seen any reviews but I was considering just ordering one before they were immediately sold out. Bad idea?
 
A $300 premium for GSync? No thanks. I like my normal version with lightboost just fine.
 
It is a lot, but that seems unavoidable if you want Gsync now. The Gsync module seems to add about a $200 premium currently. I want a good 1080p Gsync monitor. I've considered the ASUS ROG Swift but I'm just afraid 1440p will cut into the framerate in too many games moving forward. That's also quite expensive.

I was looking on Amazon where it was $540. Seems to be selling for $600 everywhere else.

Edit:

Fuck it. I ordered it. I'm sure I'll regret it with my luck with impulse buys.
 
Felix Lighter said:
It is a lot, but that seems unavoidable if you want Gsync now. The Gsync module seems to add about a $200 premium currently. I want a good 1080p Gsync monitor. I've considered the ASUS ROG Swift but I'm just afraid 1440p will cut into the framerate in too many games moving forward. That's also quite expensive.

I was looking on Amazon where it was $540. Seems to be selling for $600 everywhere else.

Edit:

Fuck it. I ordered it. I'm sure I'll regret it with my luck with impulse buys.
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I bought the Philips one this week from Amazon. It'll probably arrive next week. I'm very excited to finally see g-sync for myself.


Edit: It's happening!

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Felix Lighter said:
It is a lot, but that seems unavoidable if you want Gsync now. The Gsync module seems to add about a $200 premium currently. I want a good 1080p Gsync monitor. I've considered the ASUS ROG Swift but I'm just afraid 1440p will cut into the framerate in too many games moving forward. That's also quite expensive.

I was looking on Amazon where it was $540. Seems to be selling for $600 everywhere else.

Edit:

Fuck it. I ordered it. I'm sure I'll regret it with my luck with impulse buys.
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Seems like it is the only option aside from the modded Asus for a 24" 1080p 144hz and g sync, huh? I'm interested to hear how this turns out. I want this monitor for all the reasons you outlined, but for $540, I want a good picture.
 
My FG2421 randomly loses signal once every 2 days. Tried DVI and DP, happens with both.
No dead pixels, the washed out light band on the right edge disappeared when I switched to DVI, and no cross hatching. Made in Japan on October 2013. I'm concerned about the signal loss becoming more frequent so looks like I'm returning it to amazon :/

If the replacement I get is worse than the screen I have now I'll buy a different monitor.
 
Jtrizzy said:
Seems like it is the only option aside from the modded Asus for a 24" 1080p 144hz and g sync, huh? I'm interested to hear how this turns out. I want this monitor for all the reasons you outlined, but for $540, I want a good picture.
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I'm far from an expert. I've been using an IPS monitor for years and the TN monitors I've used in the past and at work aren't high quality. Here's my quick impression in the "I need a PC" thread:

Felix Lighter said:
First off, the bad, which isn't as bad as I feared. I'm used to my IPS monitor so colors and blacks are off, though not nearly as bad as the last TN monitor I used and viewing angles are way better than I feared. Not as good as my old ASUS IPS but compared to cheap TN displays I've used in the past, it's worlds better. I don't notice any uniformity issues. I wish I knew what I was doing when it came to adjusting picture settings. I just dropped the brightness from 100 - 50. Out of the box it was blindingly bright, and messed with the contrast a little.

Now for the good and I've just tested BF4 test range so far. My PC typically maintains a framerate between 120-200 fps in BF4, in the test range it closer to the high end. Everything is much more defined and fluid and with GSync, I get the high variable framerate (though it seems to cap at the refresh rate with GSync enabled) with no tearing. This is my first time with a high refreshrate monitor and that fluidity of motion is what I've always wanted. I'm looking forward to trying some additional games, especially games that I was forced to use vsync to get a smooth experience.

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Just tried GTA IV because it's a game that can still dip into the 40s even with my new PC to see how GSync handles it. You can definitely notice that the framerate has drop once it gets in to the 40s but the motion is still fluid and of course no tearing. So as it should, it eliminates judder that triple buffered vsync would introduce. Smaller dips into the 50s are where GSync shines. With my last monitor dips into the 50s were the most annoying because it's just a few frames below 60 but it was so damn noticeable. You're so close to a perfectly smooth experience but because you fall just short, you get hitches or tearing, pick your poison. That goes away.
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It's by far the best looking TN monitor that personally have ever used but it does fall short of the IPS when it comes to colors and blacks but the motion resolution, even at lower framerate is considerably better. View angles are a lot better than I feared. I mention no uniformity issues in the post above, though I did notice some slight backlight bleed on a complete black screen after I wrote that. In the end, I'm very happy with it so far, even after giving up some color representation quality, the benefits of high framerate are what I had hoped for and GSync means I shouldn't have to deal with tearing or vsync issues in almost every case.

An interesting benefit of this specific monitor is that it includes HDMI and DVI as inputs (though GSync is DP only still). Those inputs use their "classic" engine, so you get the motion blur reduction stuff like any other Benq 144Hz display. That mode also has a bit more tuning options in the menus compared to the Gsync engine. So for those that use the monitor for consoles or whatever you have options.

That's just a quick first impression after a few hours.
 
I have one of those Korean 1440p monitors from X-star that you can overclock to 120hz (or higher).120hz gives some artifacts on really dark screens so I keep it at 110hz (coming from 60).

But I rarely get the extra fps on that massive resolution because my videocards can't handle it.

Such a waste. :(
 
Anarkin said:
Also a question about G-Sync. There shouldn't be any motion blur If it's enabled, right?
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Gsync doesn't affect motion blur, it reduces stutter, removes tearing and minimizes input lag.

If the monitor has ULMB you can use it instead of gsync to reduce motion blur.

You can't use both at the same time.
 
diggmcbadass said:
Gsync doesn't affect motion blur, it reduces stutter, removes tearing and minimizes input lag.

If the monitor has ULMB you can use it instead of gsync to reduce motion blur.

You can't use both at the same time.
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I have "blur reduction" enabled on my BenQ and it looks fantastic. Would be cool if it was possible, thanks.
 
Felix Lighter said:
I'm far from an expert. I've been using an IPS monitor for years and the TN monitors I've used in the past and at work aren't high quality. Here's my quick impression in the "I need a PC" thread:



It's by far the best looking TN monitor that personally have ever used but it does fall short of the IPS when it comes to colors and blacks but the motion resolution, even at lower framerate is considerably better. View angles are a lot better than I feared. I mention no uniformity issues in the post above, though I did notice some slight backlight bleed on a complete black screen after I wrote that. In the end, I'm very happy with it so far, even after giving up some color representation quality, the benefits of high framerate are what I had hoped and GSync means I should have to deal with tearing or vsync issues in almost every case.

An interesting benefit of this specific monitor is that it includes HDMI and DVI as inputs (though GSync is DP only still). Those inputs use their "classic" engine, so you get the motion blur reduction stuff like any other Benq 144Hz display. That mode also has a bit more tuning options in the menus compared to the Gsync engine. So for those that use the monitor for consoles or whatever you have options.

That's just a quick first impression after a few hours.
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thanks, I think this is the one for me. The extra inputs are nice, it seems like most of the other options only have display port. I probably won't use it for consoles or tv, but it's nice to have the option at least. It is a little overpriced, but it is the only option if you want 1080p144 with G sync on a 24" screen that doesn't involve modding.
 
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