150Mhz CPU boost on XBO, now in production

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Bsigg12 said:
Are you using your consoles as tables or something? I can not think of a single instance where there was any liquid anywhere near my entertainment center while I was playing games/watching tv.
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Not at all uncommon for it to happen though.

Scenario: You've got a large glass of Dr. Pepper in your hands, you can't find the remote to your TV to change the input to your Xbone, so you go over and change it, but nothing happens, so, still clutching the glass, you reach around behind to see the wire somehow got torn loose, you reach around, lose your balance, and splash some liquid out onto you Xbone which was sitting right beside your TV.

I can see that happening to a lot of people realistically.
 
Osiris said:
You don't have children do you? :P

I had to remove a slice of bread that was forced into the slot of my first PS3, I kid you not :P
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My lovely young son 'posted' a SD card into the slot of my 3 week old launch PS3. Forcing me to do a total dismantle of it. Even taking the bluray drive apart to retrieve the item. Accidents do happen.
 
cyberheater said:
You have a point. For a consumer machine. It's not great to have the vents on the top. Folks do spill things from time to time.

I can see this causing issues in the future.
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My audio receiver has vents on the top, since the back panel is full of connectors. I still don't see how anyone can have an issue that isn't themselves negligent.
 
benny_a said:
2GHz is preposterous. According to Anandtech that's a TDP increase of 66% over 1.6GHz.
1.6GHz is the sweet spot.
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A 66% increase, even if true, would be on the order of 10W. Hardly "preposterous". But evidently MS feels more comfortable with an increase in wattage that's only about half of that.
 
Fresh Face said:
Not at all uncommon for it to happen though.

Scenario: You've got a large glass of Dr. Pepper in your hands, you can't find the remote to your TV to change the input to your Xbone, so you go over and change it, but nothing happens, so, still clutching the glass, you reach around behind to see the wire somehow got torn loose, you reach around, lose your balance, and splash some liquid out onto you Xbone which was sitting right beside your TV.

I can see that happening to a lot of people realistically.
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Then that person would be a moron. I would have put the soda down before trying to figure that out.
 
Bsigg12 said:
Haha no, I watch my 5 year old niece and 9 month nephew all the time, but I suppose that's a lot different than just having children running around the house.
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Oh it gets better, when my Son was 2, he came downstairs early before anyone else was up once, even managed to unlock the safety gate.

He managed to take every PS2 game I had out of their cases, and was scrubbing the slate fireplace hearth clean with them.

So much lost in so few minutes, 360's ringed scratches hd NOTHING on my entire PS2 collection, all ruined. :/ :P
 
maabus1999 said:
So next your going to tell us that the negative static pressure in the PS4 is superior to the positive static pressure in the X1 (i.e., make up stuff)?

All those fancy heat pipes, fins, materials, etc... mean nothing without air flow, and that the CFM of the fan, with its ability to move air through and then away from the heatsink is the most crucial factor.... And your claim about "looking how a heatsink is designed" really means you have never actually looked at real benchmarks for cooling systems, where a lot of those fancy designs sometimes fall flat on their face...

You can't tell how by eye how EITHER box will function until you get your hands on it and run it at load to do some measurements. You're just making up stuff now to get a rise out of people.
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I'm not making stuff up as I am giving an educated opinion. That's all we can do here. QUOTE my posts when we finally see the inside of the PS4 versus the Xbox One, and see if I'm right or wrong. Like I said earlier, I'm pretty confident.

Also, don't misquote me, I said looking at a heat sink design and comparing If their was a big discrepancy in design, build, quality etc. Big difference. I've probably used and tested more cooling solutions than most but the more ardent PC enthusiasts on here as well. My builds (of which there have been many) have always been heavily OC'd and most of the time used custom or third party cooling solutions (except on the GPUs sometimes). But like I said, that is besides the point.
 
Yoday said:
I would actually say that means it won't be releasing on the 5th. They will want to be giving them away leading up to the launch day, not starting on launch day.
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Nope. The last Mountain Dew contest was "be the first to own an Xbox 360"

This isn't the same idea as they have like a 10-12 week delivery time...
 
Sub_Level said:
Cpu boost here, vr headset over there.

This shit is powering up
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Now all we need is a CPU boost for the ps4 and a vr headset for the bone.


Please oh please

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Fresh Face said:
Not at all uncommon for it to happen though.

Scenario: You've got a large glass of Dr. Pepper in your hands, you can't find the remote to your TV to change the input to your Xbone, so you go over and change it, but nothing happens, so, still clutching the glass, you reach around behind to see the wire somehow got torn loose, you reach around, lose your balance, and splash some liquid out onto you Xbone which was sitting right beside your TV.

I can see that happening to a lot of people realistically.
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Just tell your Xbox to do it itself.
 
maabus1999 said:
Umm most high end PC cases have a top surface vent for a radiator or large fan now a days. I haven't seen (many) complaints about people pouring a glass of water down their PC lately.
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Yeah, i do have one of those too. But it rests below a desk. And when it rested on top it was too high to put anything over it.

a console is flat. I can see some people leaving a glass of water on top of the solid part, then accidentally bump it so the liquid drops on the open part.

Also mind that you said high end. Most common PCs only have a vent on the side / back. A high end PC user tends to know that both things together are a very risky thing. However, the average consumer of consoles may not.
 
maabus1999 said:
Umm most high end PC cases have a top surface vent for a radiator or large fan now a days. I haven't seen (many) complaints about people pouring a glass of water down their PC lately.
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Because they stand vertically and the MB is attached to the side of the case 99% of the time ;) Not directly underneath the fan. That said, a bit of water won't kill it.
 
maabus1999 said:
My audio receiver has vents on the top, since the back panel is full of connectors. I still don't see how anyone can have an issue that isn't themselves negligent.
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My Onkyo has vents at the top as well but that's kept in a shelving system away from my children.
I'm constantly telling them. No food or drink in the living room but my wife has a somewhat laid back attitude relative to that. :(
 
i HeaR MusiC said:
Then that person would be a moron. I would have put the soda down before trying to figure that out.
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Hey, man, it happens. I would never do that, but sometimes you just aren't thinking. Besides, shouldn't I be able to do with my console as I please? My ps4, ps3, wii, wii U, and PC (No I don't have all those lol) would be perfectly fine in this instance.

SPDIF said:
Just tell your Xbox to do it itself.
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I so knew someone would say this. But hey, it's not like the Xbox has hands.

blitzcloud said:
Yeah, i do have one of those too. But it rests below a desk. And when it rested on top it was too high to put anything over it.

a console is flat. I can see some people leaving a glass of water on top of the solid part, then accidentally bump it so the liquid drops on the open part.

Also mind that you said high end. Most common PCs only have a vent on the side / back. A high end PC user tends to know that both things together are a very risky thing. However, the average consumer of consoles may not.
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Also the bolded.
 
nib95 said:
I'm not making stuff up as I am giving an educated opinion. That's all we can do here. QUOTE my posts when we finally see the inside of the PS4 versus the Xbox One, and see if I'm right or wrong. Like I said earlier, I'm pretty confident.

Also, don't misquote me, I said looking at a heat sink design and comparing If their was a big discrepancy in design, build, quality etc. Big difference. I've probably used and tested more cooling solutions than most but the more ardent PC enthusiasts on here as well. My builds (of which there have been many) have always been heavily OC'd and most of the time used custom or third party cooling solutions (except on the GPUs sometimes). But like I said, that is besides the point.
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With a smaller box and internal power supply going up against that large of a fan, I don't see how you can make an "educated" opinion it will be better. It would be a "marvel" and quiet unexpected to beat that cooling option. At best I would expect parity (and by reaching parity, a more "efficient" design).
 
The bigger problem with the Xbox One's design is that people will stack things ontop of it, which is obviously very bad because that's where the air intake/exhaust basically is. Its size makes it perfect for this.

When I worked in retail, it was a huge problem with audio components like receivers. People play them loud but shove CD players ontop of it in very cramped cabinets.
 
Whiteshirt said:
Framerate yes. Everything else, no not really, 150mhz is barely anything.

Anyway, Sony probably isn't overclocking their systems because they don't need to do so. Why risk decreasing yields, increasing load power consumption, etc etc? There's no point to it especially when all of these tiny upclocks will do very little in the grand scheme of things.

This isn't like overclocking an Intel processor where you can increase the clocks by 1ghz (keep in mind, stock turbo clocks are around 3.8ghz so we're looking at 4.5 - 4.8ghz).

I doubt Sony is clock restricted because of heat. These APUs kick out barely any heat, you don't need an advanced cooling systems to cool what has been done in very space restricted gaming laptops. No, they probably don't see any point in upgrades that will do nothing really meaningful to improve overall performance. I have no idea where people keep getting the idea that the PS4 will suffer from oveerheating issues.
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About 4-5 years into the generation when devs start to max out the consoles these small upclocks may make some difference.

I'am sure there where times this gen when devs said ''if only we had a bit more power'', even though they probably said ''if only we had more RAM'' a lot more.
 
Whiteshirt said:
The bigger problem with the Xbox One's design is that people will stack things ontop of it, which is obviously very bad because that's where the air intake/exhaust basically is.

When I worked in retail, it was a huge problem with audio components like receivers. People play them loud but shove CD players ontop of it in very cramped cabinets.
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This is probably the first honest issue I've seen put out here versus the design they have. Bravo sir.
 
nib95 said:
Now I'm not saying Microsoft's solution is ineffective, absolutely not as the upclock proves. Just that they've gone for a very safe, affordable and basic looking internal layout and cooling solution. A potentially un-efficient one too based on the enormous size of the console and external PSU.
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There is nothing basic from an engineering point of view about having a cooling solution that keeps multiple components within a thermal profile whilst keeping it whisper quiet. It is by definition an advanced cooling solution.
 
Whiteshirt said:
The bigger problem with the Xbox One's design is that people will stack things ontop of it, which is obviously very bad because that's where the air intake/exhaust basically is. Its size makes it perfect for this.

When I worked in retail, it was a huge problem with audio components like receivers. People play them loud but shove CD players ontop of it in very cramped cabinets.
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Yup cable box and Xbox one but only one shelf, The biggest one is going on the bottom for 90% of people regardless of vents, people only have themselves to blame for it though really, despite the poor design, there will be a warning label somewhere.
 
cyberheater said:
My Onkyo has vents at the top as well but that's kept in a shelving system away from my children.
I'm constantly telling them. No food or drink in the living room but my wife has a somewhat laid back attitude relative to that. :(
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I have an Onkyo too. Recommend the Antec AV cooler if this is an issue. It would completely cover your vents. The Antec has several huge fans that sit on top of the Onkyo vents, then push the air out the back. Fully enclosed on the top surface. Only about 1 inch thick.
 
maabus1999 said:
This is probably the first honest issue I've seen put out here versus the design they have. Bravo sir.
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Yeah well, when you get one of the things you put on top and see it burning hot, you realize it was a bad idea most likely and avoid doing it. It's something with a solution and overheating is not the end for a console.

Liquid can very well be a one hit kill.
 
cyberheater said:
There is nothing basic from an engineering point of view about having a cooling solution that keeps multiple components within a thermal profile whilst keeping it whisper quiet. It is by definition an advanced cooling solution.
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I think he is trying to dig himself out of the hole he dug with his comments earlier. I guess we should let him be. It was a silly comment though.
 
maabus1999 said:
I have an Onkyo too. Recommend the Antec AV cooler if this is an issue. It would completely cover your vents. The Antec has several huge fans that sit on top of the Onkyo vents, then push the air out the back. Fully enclosed on the top surface. Only about 1 inch thick.
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Thanks. I've never had a issue so far. It gets plenty of air but If I ever do. I'll look those up.
 
cyberheater said:
There is nothing basic from an engineering point of view about having a cooling solution that keeps multiple components within a thermal profile whilst keeping it whisper quiet. It is by definition an advanced cooling solution.
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This not true at all. I could stick the Xbox One's components in a 1 metre by 1 metre box full of vents with a giant fan in it. It would be whisper quiet and probably really power efficient too, but that alone does not make it an efficient design. This is not an efficient or elegant design, however you slice it.

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Anyway, can we focus on the upclock again please? Good news. Every little helps.
 
blitzcloud said:
Yeah well, when you get one of the things you put on top and see it burning hot, you realize it was a bad idea most likely and avoid doing it. It's something with a solution and overheating is not the end for a console.

Liquid can very well be a one hit kill.
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Tell you what, why don't you ask Albert Panello what environmental testing they put the X1 through? I just think this is sort of a strange argument to make since I just see anyone bringing liquids above ANY electronic is being, well, stupid.
 
The thought of liquids getting into the X1's top vents never really occurred to me because you would have to be a very very careless person to spill a drink there, I'd be more concerned about dust getting in there.
 
nib95 said:
This not true at all. I could stick the Xbox One's components in a 1 metre by 1 metre box full of vents with a giant fan in it. It would be whisper quiet and probably really power efficient too, but that alone does not make it an efficient design. This is not an efficient or elegant design, however you slice it.

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Anyway, can we focus on the upclock again please? Good news. Every little helps.
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You're talking rubbish. Plain and simple.
 
RayMaker said:
The thought of liquids getting into the X1's top vents never really occurred to me because you would have to be a very very careless person to spill a drink there, I'd be more concerned about dust getting in there.
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Depending on the air pressure profile, it may or may not be an issue. Unless you leave it off for months and let it seep in. Still, I've had to clean out some serious dust from my PC before and have never had a serious issue caused by it (knock on wood).
 
Fresh Face said:
Not at all uncommon for it to happen though.

Scenario: You've got a large glass of Dr. Pepper in your hands, you can't find the remote to your TV to change the input to your Xbone, so you go over and change it, but nothing happens, so, still clutching the glass, you reach around behind to see the wire somehow got torn loose, you reach around, lose your balance, and splash some liquid out onto you Xbone which was sitting right beside your TV.

I can see that happening to a lot of people realistically.
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People are giving Coldfoot a hard time because, well, his "jab" wasn't particularly clever or funny and he wrote it with the grammar of a 10 year old who got held back in school for several years.

But I feel like we're missing the point -- doesn't the Xbox division actually turn a profit these days?
 
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