150Mhz CPU boost on XBO, now in production

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Guymelef said:
really?? lol
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yep

On July 13th, Brent Rambo (TheRealBR)[11] responded in the comments section of the post, confirming that he works as a developer for Sony Online Entertainment and still remains an avid user of Mac computers and devices.
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beast786 said:
Sweet.

Still. I can't imagine struggling at 30fos is limiting xb1 already. That is kind of disappointing .
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The developer behind the game usually has a larger impact on the performance of said game than the hardware. I wouldn't take Capcom's effort with DR3 as what the X1 is capable of.
 
shinobi602 said:
The developer behind the game usually has a larger impact on the performance of said game than the hardware. I wouldn't take Capcom's effort with DR3 as what the X1 is capable of.
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Or any launch title. Next year, you'll see things that will blow release titles out of the water.
 
Ushae said:
You've no idea what PS4 cooling solution is, but confident its more efficient and advanced? :O

I suppose this upclock will improve framerates, AI and physics?
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Yes. Looking at the Xbox One's current solution, comparing to Sony's past solutions, and considering the size and design differences between the PS4 and Xbox One.

My guess is the PS4 will have a similar combi large exotic heatsink design as the PS3, with perhaps a larger fan and a new directional air flow system that will force the vast majority of hot air to the rear of the console, whereas Microsoft's seems to be less directional, with vents everywhere but no specific air flow design.
 
I don't know much about hardware, but two things:
1) Assuming the reason Sony hasn't overclocked the GPU/CPU is because the console is smaller and the risk of overheating is bigger, then wouldn't MS have problems redesigning the console to make it smaller in the future? I mean the PS4 is half the size and more powerfull, it makes them look bad.

2) I think the difference between multiplatforms may be bigger than we think if they feel the need to up the clocks at the expense of bigger failure rates.

Anyway, making the lowest common denominator a little bit more powerful is good for everyone.
 
nib95 said:
Yes, but don't forget the components were larger nm processes back then and ran much hotter and less efficient than what we have in the consoles today. In other words to cooling solution at the time had a considerably harder task than in the current hardware revisions.



Besides using different heats sinks in my own PC builds, on CPUs and on gpus etc, no. But some experience none the less. Many of these things don't necessarily require professional knowledge to form an opinion anyway, pretty easy to put two heat sinks side by side and form an opinion on which is the more advanced solution if there is a big discrepancy between the builds, materials, design, use of heat pipes etc. In this example Microsoft's design looks far more basic and akin to the default designs that come with CPUs only with a larger fan. The PS3s looks far more exotic and substantial in comparison. But it did have to cool far hotter running hardware, and would depend on the size of the fan.
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At the end of the day. A heat sinks task is very simple. To keep things cool. If it accomplishes that task then it is fit for purpose.
The fact that the designers of Xbox One could increase both the GPU and CPU clock speeds whilst keeping the components within a thermal profile and still being whisper quiet speaks volumes of how good the design is of the thermal solution used in Xbox One is.

You clearly don't know what you're looking at.
 
Josman said:
I don't know much about hardware, but two things:
1) Assuming the reason Sony hasn't overclocked the GPU/CPU is because the console is smaller and the risk of overheating is bigger, then wouldn't MS have problems redesigning the console to make it smaller in the future? I mean the PS4 is half the size and more powerfull, it makes them look bad.

2) I think the difference between multiplatforms may be bigger than we think if they feel the need to up the clocks at the expense of bigger failure rates.
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They'll make the console smaller when there is a die shrink and then it'll produce less heat and the cooling solution can be smaller. So there won't be any problem making the X1 smaller in the future.
 
Josman said:
I don't know much about hardware, but two things:
1) Assuming the reason Sony hasn't overclocked the GPU/CPU is because the console is smaller and the risk of overheating is bigger, then wouldn't MS have problems redesigning the console to make it smaller in the future? I mean the PS4 is half the size and more powerfull, it makes them look bad.

2) I think the difference between multiplatforms may be bigger than we think if they feel the need to up the clocks at the expense of bigger failure rates.
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Basically, both consoles have a low tdp. The tdp is lower than last generation. I'm sure sony could overclock the chips if they wanted to but there is no benefit to that at all. They are already more powerful than the competition and their system is stable at the moment. You have to remember that sony is an engineering company and microsoft is a software company. They both dabble in a bit of both but they have different strengths. I almost willing to bet that the ps4 cooling system is more advanced.
 
Josman said:
I don't know much about hardware, but two things:
1) Assuming the reason Sony hasn't overclocked the GPU/CPU is because the console is smaller and the risk of overheating is bigger, then wouldn't MS have problems redesigning the console to make it smaller in the future? I mean the PS4 is half the size and more powerfull, it makes them look bad.

2) I think the difference between multiplatforms may be bigger than we think if they feel the need to up the clocks at the expense of bigger failure rates.

Anyway, making the lowest common denominator a little bit more powerful is good for everyone.
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I wouldn't say that, remember is reported to have near silent operation, unless the PS4 is near silent aswell, but I doubt it given the design.
 
cyberheater said:
At the end of the day. A heat sinks task is very simple. To keep things cool. If it accomplishes that task then it is fit for purpose.
The fact that the designers of Xbox One could increase both the GPU and CPU clock speeds whilst keeping the components within a thermal profile and still being whisper quiet speaks volumes of how good the design is of the thermal solution used in Xbox One is.

You clearly don't know what you're looking at.
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Honestly, a design which has such an opening that could kill athe console because a glass of water is bumped and the fan propels it all around the motherboard to ensure it certainly dies is really not advanced in my eyes. It may be effective, but not very efficient.
 
benny_a said:
That's still a significant increase in TDP over what they've planned with for a long time.

And if you could increase the TDP, you should increase the GPU.

You're right that because the TDP is way lower in this generation compared to the PS3, they could increase it without generating more heat than 7 years ago.

But they still designed it around a certain TDP. Switching it up late in the game, seems strange to me. (Later than February this year, while the GPU power was known for 18(?) months already.)


As you can see above I'm not optimistic about an upgrade. There are others that are. Maybe I get positively surprised.
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But are you not guilty of assuming to know what the "certain TDP" they were designing around was here?

We don't know what the target TDP is/was do we?

As you can see above I'm not optimistic about an upgrade. There are others that are. Maybe I get positively surprised.
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Neither am I to be honest, 1.6 seems fine to me for the use case, however I tend to take issue when absolutes get stated based on incomplete data :D :P
 
Not going to go too into the whole xb1 vs. ps4 heating argument, but from what we know now it's safe to deduce they've both gone for different types of cooling solution.

Xbox One is using radial cooling where as PS4 is likely using directional Cooling due to the design of the case featuring large amounts of vents on just the back as well as the very slim gaps running around the middle of the console between the 2 "layers"

Expect 1 large fan in the xb1 and multiple smaller fans in the PS4, most probably using a push/pull system.
 
RayMaker said:
I wouldn't say that, remember is reported to have near silent operation, unless the PS4 is near silent aswell, but I doubt it given the design.
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Both are probably pretty quiet but XBO seems like it was designed to be silent. If PS4 is as quiet as a PS3 Slim I'll be very happy.
 
blitzcloud said:
Honestly, a design which has such an opening that could kill athe console because a glass of water is bumped and the fan propels it all around the motherboard to ensure it certainly dies is really not advanced in my eyes. It may be effective, but not very efficient.
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WTF are you talking about?
 
cyberheater said:
At the end of the day. A heat sinks task is very simple. To keep things cool. If it accomplishes that task then it is fit for purpose.
The fact that the designers of Xbox One could increase both the GPU and CPU clock speeds whilst keeping the components within a thermal profile and still being whisper quiet speaks volumes of how good the design is of the thermal solution used in Xbox One is.

You clearly don't know what you're looking at.
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Because the components both consoles have to cool run no where near as hot this time. And look at the size of the Xbox One, the small up clock is no extravagant feat. In fact, looking at the internals of the Xbox One, it all looks impressively un elegant and bare bones. I'd be shocked if any one on here looking at the pics disagrees. It's basically a slapped together PC build with typical looking parts and layout.

Also, yes a heatsinks task is ultimately to cool the component it's made for. But there's more to it than that. What do you do with the hot air that accumulates? How do you disperse it out of the enclosure? How do you transfer heat around the heat sink? Etc.

Now I'm not saying Microsoft's solution is ineffective, absolutely not as the upclock proves. Just that they've gone for a very safe, affordable and basic looking internal layout and cooling solution. A potentially un-efficient one too based on the enormous size of the console and external PSU.
 
blitzcloud said:
Honestly, a design which has such an opening that could kill athe console because a glass of water is bumped and the fan propels it all around the motherboard to ensure it certainly dies is really not advanced in my eyes. It may be effective, but not very efficient.
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Its a good design for dissipating heat but i do agree that its not an advanced design by any means.
 
blitzcloud said:
Honestly, a design which has such an opening that could kill athe console because a glass of water is bumped and the fan propels it all around the motherboard to ensure it certainly dies is really not advanced in my eyes. It may be effective, but not very efficient.
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Are you using your consoles as tables or something? I can not think of a single instance where there was any liquid anywhere near my entertainment center while I was playing games/watching tv.
 
cyberheater said:
WTF are you talking about?
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The fan is directed to the ribbed half with all the openings. ANY liquid dropping there would kill your console instantly. Yes, it's not normal to drop any liquid over a console, but mistakes can happen. I once dropped a bit of coke by mistake on the ps3 top... nothing happened all the vents either look at the sides or are protected by the case.

Advanced solutions are those that are ready for almost every situation, even if the user has a mistake of some sort. Why are apple power switches for their laptops magnet based? That's an advanced solution for a real problem that happens.

I'm sure MS will put a sticker: "do not put anything on top"

Bsigg12 said:
Are you using your consoles as tables or something? I can not think of a single instance where there was any liquid anywhere near my entertainment center while I was playing games/watching tv.
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My console is where my pc is, in a desk. I was just trying to reach something and accidentally bumped it.
 
Juan29.zapata said:
Oh, you know the PS4's CPU clock speed?
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I think in the absence of an official announcement, most people are going by that Killzone technical presentation that indicated both the clockspeed (1.6GHz) and the number of cores allocated to the game. (6)

Things may very well have changed since that presentation, but I don't believe there has been any actual evidence of that. We can only go by the data we have been allowed to see.
 
Bsigg12 said:
Are you using your consoles as tables or something? I can not think of a single instance where there was any liquid anywhere near my entertainment center while I was playing games/watching tv.
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You don't have children do you? :P

I had to remove a slice of bread that was forced into the slot of my first PS3, I kid you not :P
 
Osiris said:
You don't have children do you? :P

I had to remove a slice of bread that was forced into the slot of my first PS3, I kid you not :P
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Oh god. lol.

Lima said:
If something like this happens, your console deserves to die on you.
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would be analogous to saying that it's o.k to make controllers die on their first fall, you should never drop a controller. I'm just saying a controller that can take hits and survive is probably the most efficient one (mainly because it would last more).
 
nib95 said:
Yes. Looking at the Xbox One's current solution, comparing to Sony's past solutions, and considering the size and design differences between the PS4 and Xbox One.

My guess is the PS4 will have a similar combi large exotic heatsink design as the PS3, with perhaps a larger fan and a new directional air flow system that will force the vast majority of hot air to the rear of the console, whereas Microsoft's seems to be less directional, with vents everywhere but no specific air flow design.
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So next your going to tell us that the negative static pressure in the PS4 is superior to the positive static pressure in the X1 (i.e., make up stuff)?

All those fancy heat pipes, fins, materials, etc... mean nothing without air flow, and that the CFM of the fan, with its ability to move air through and then away from the heatsink is the most crucial factor.... And your claim about "looking how a heatsink is designed" really means you have never actually looked at real benchmarks for cooling systems, where a lot of those fancy designs sometimes fall flat on their face...

You can't tell how by eye how EITHER box will function until you get your hands on it and run it at load to do some measurements. You're just making up stuff now to get a rise out of people.
 
RoboPlato said:
Both are probably pretty quiet but XBO seems like it was designed to be silent. If PS4 is as quiet as a PS3 Slim I'll be very happy.
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Yeah same here, anything will be an improvement over my Phat ps3,but after the fuss this gen over console 'noise' being quieter is always an advantage.
 
blitzcloud said:
The fan is directed to the ribbed half with all the openings. ANY liquid dropping there would kill your console instantly. Yes, it's not normal to drop any liquid over a console, but mistakes can happen.
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You have a point. For a consumer machine. It's not great to have the vents on the top. Folks do spill things from time to time.

I can see this causing issues in the future.
 
blitzcloud said:
The fan is directed to the ribbed half with all the openings. ANY liquid dropping there would kill your console instantly. Yes, it's not normal to drop any liquid over a console, but mistakes can happen. I once dropped a bit of coke by mistake on the ps3 top... nothing happened all the vents either look at the sides or are protected by the case.

Advanced solutions are those that are ready for almost every situation, even if the user has a mistake of some sort. Why are apple power switches for their laptops magnet based? That's an advanced solution for a real problem that happens.

I'm sure MS will put a sticker: "do not put anything on top"


My console is where my pc is, in a desk. I was just trying to reach something and accidentally bumped it.
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My buddy tipped over an entire Coors Light onto my launch 360. I immediately turned it off and let it dry...Still worked after that although when it heated up it stunk like rancid Coors. And then it red ringed a few months later.
 
Osiris said:
But are you not guilty of assuming to know what the "certain TDP" they were designing around was here?

We don't know what the target TDP is/was do we?
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Nope. We only know of generalities of that the TDP was designed to be lower than last time.

I'm just saying that it doesn't make sense to me to use these very TDP conscious designs and then overclocking them. There is probably a point where they perform optimally per watt. My assumption is that this is the leaked specs, as it would make sense to use that as the base.
 
Osiris said:
You don't have children do you? :P

I had to remove a slice of bread that was forced into the slot of my first PS3, I kid you not :P
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My kid knows better. Anyone with liquid around their 500 dollar console should be shot. I don't care where the vents are located.
 
Ushae said:
You've no idea what PS4 cooling solution is, but confident its more efficient and advanced? :O

I suppose this upclock will improve framerates, AI and physics?
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Framerate yes. Everything else, no not really, 150mhz is barely anything.

Anyway, Sony probably isn't overclocking their systems because they don't need to do so. Why risk decreasing yields, increasing load power consumption, etc etc? There's no point to it especially when all of these tiny upclocks will do very little in the grand scheme of things.

This isn't like overclocking an Intel processor where you can increase the clocks by 1ghz (keep in mind, stock turbo clocks are around 3.8ghz so we're looking at 4.5 - 4.8ghz).

I doubt Sony is clock restricted because of heat. These APUs kick out barely any heat, you don't need an advanced cooling systems to cool what has been done in very space restricted gaming laptops. No, they probably don't see any point in upgrades that will do nothing really meaningful to improve overall performance. I have no idea where people keep getting the idea that the PS4 will suffer from oveerheating issues.
 
blitzcloud said:
Honestly, a design which has such an opening that could kill athe console because a glass of water is bumped and the fan propels it all around the motherboard to ensure it certainly dies is really not advanced in my eyes. It may be effective, but not very efficient.
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Umm most high end PC cases have a top surface vent for a radiator or large fan now a days. I haven't seen (many) complaints about people pouring a glass of water down their PC lately.
 
Osiris said:
You don't have children do you? :P

I had to remove a slice of bread that was forced into the slot of my first PS3, I kid you not :P
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Haha no, I watch my 5 year old niece and 9 month nephew all the time, but I suppose that's a lot different than just having children running around the house.
 
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