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Holy shit really? Looks so good and is open world.
150Mhz CPU boost on XBO, now in production
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Holy shit really? Looks so good and is open world.
Is this one aspect of what people mean when discussing 'yields' ?
Yeah, I understand now. Your response actually gave me needed clarity. Thanks.
SanguineShark
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It's all irrelevant. Even if they had that slight increase in power, who's to say they wouldn't go with a lower framerate? It still boils down to developer choice. For all we know they would use that extra oomph to further enhance visual fidelity/add more effects.
Brilliant stuff - I love this thread!
umm what do you think a ssd is made of ?
Need to hunt down the link, maybe it was just some dude talking. On a tablet at the moment, will do some digging when I'm back on a pc, but I could have sworn I read some one at SP say as much.
ALBOFIGHTER
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That's why if the console was bigger, it would not be a problem. And 15% increase goes a long way in highly optimized gaming console.
It depends on the genre. Action games and racing should be 60 fps. I also would not mind if games became 30fps in the future where it's the only way to get to next level graphics passed launch. I wanted to have good graphics at 60 for launch and then later in the system's lifecycle have something like the sorcerer demo which looks like pure Cgi and running at 30 fps. That would be ideal. Anyways, I still consider ps4 good enough, just wanted to mention how easy it would be to boost it without worries if the casing was bigger. It would have been effortless.
Optimization. They went over it when they announced the GPU clock increase, as they get farther along they are seeing there is room for it, so they're doing it. There's nothing negative about it and 150mhz won't make or break the system, it just helps.
Maybe similar tech, but the flash ram in the XB1 is not an ssd drive.
AgentP
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The two are independent issues. Generic yield issues are short term and only effect launch production. Being under powered relative to the PS4 is a lifelong issue. MS could further exacerbate yield issues for the short term just to make sure they are a bit closer in the long term. These small bumps to clock rates relative to earlier numbers will of course mean less chips qualify, but it's better to have a few less systems at launch then to be that much weaker for the next 10 years.
Clearly these publicized clock changes show both MS was worried about the PS4 and and it also help get them back in the fight with PR, they want people talking and not about DRM and Kinect.
Sony of course has no published CPU clock rate, but they know what they want from their system are are not likely to play this game, ultimately basic engineering is going to trump any 5-10% clock bumps. Of course Sony would have known about these MS bumps far before us, so who knows what they have acted on months ago.
No fucking way! That would be.....what?
Yeah, MS! Why make improvements?
Khalifa Jayy
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Truly the Xbox One*
*revsion per week.
*revsion per week.
SenjutsuSage
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I'm literally buying nothing but doritos and mountain dew from here on out
I'm already on the doritos train, but may get some mountain dew also.
its the same thing.. if they would have put a actual separate incased 8 gig ssd it would be the exact same thing.
:/
SSDs have controllers and dozens of nand chips which give it the speed becuase it can write to many at the same time.
I have a garage with 4 tyres in, I have a car with 4 tyres on. My garage is not a car.
FlutterPuffs
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ALBOFIGHTER
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lol SS being 60 fps would be really amazing. Hard to believe....Anyways, I'm happy that Microsoft got a decent boost on the cpu. Now I can worry less about the quality of multiplats. They actually have a better cpu then ps4 but ps4 has unified memory to better use the cpu so it will be interesting.
its the same thing .. all those things are there just on the board.
macbooks do the same thing.
this is getting crazy.
Sorta Maximus
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I dunno, I like the size it is. Plus I'm not convinced that overclocking is worth it to be honest. Overclocking = more fans = more money and noise as well. And a game console/Blu-Ray player should be on the quiet side IMHO.
Just so you know, both have very underpowered CPUs. This gen is all about gpgu. And the PS4s GPU is a good degree more powerful than the XO's. This bump will help, but hardly. GPU advantages are going to be far more rewarding.
nhlducks35
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It's also dependent on the controller used as well, I highly doubt the flash memory will be anything faster than USB 2.0.
A SSD is a very high speed drive. The Flash in the Xbone, the PS Vita, the Wii U, the 12GB PS3 etc is NOT an SSD. It is flash storage.
AgentP
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Not.Even.Close.
Go benchmark a thumb drive or low end SD card, then a real SSD hard drive. They are based on similar tech, but an order of magnitude different. The Vita and 12GB PS3 have flash storage, both use slower than dog shit memory.
2dshmuplover
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When Digital Foundry analysed it at E3 they said it was struggling maintaining 30fps with regular drops to 20fps. That would be some optimisation if true..
Mass Effect
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Yes, here's an impression from Grizz:
So, it does have some drops here and there (at least with the E3 build he saw), but those will probably be ironed out by the time the game is ready.
Black Republican
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reading the op.......ok Gaf now how does this warrant 12+ pages.
This isnt a megaton or anything amazing heh
This isnt a megaton or anything amazing heh
Yes, When the chips are designed they are designed for certain speeds but often due to manufacturing issues, they are not capable of achieving the designed speeds, For Instance if Intel Produce a range of Chips Designed at being 3.8 Ghz, you may find that if you purchase a 3.4Ghz version it is simply one of the 3.8Ghz chips that failed at 3,8Ghz at the required Voltage and so has been re badged as a 3.4Ghz chip.
C'mon, there's a clue in the name, Solid state Drive Is a flash chip soldered on a motherboard a Drive? no.
It has 8gb of Flash memory but it is not an SSD, If I put an SD card in my PC would you call it an SSD?
I don't believe Infamous is 60fps.
But DF also "analysed" Killer Instinct saying it's 1080p...
Anyone else confirm that? I find it hard to believe. As an open world game Infamous SS looks far too good to be 1080/60. Then again KZ SF MP is that, and supposedly DriveClub is still targeting 1080/60 so you never know...
TheGreyHulk
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A 10% increase over the original plan is a nice freebie. Better than nothing but, hey, it's GAF..
its not a thumb drive.. its not going through usb. its on board nand memory.
guess we will have to wait and see if the specs come up. I wont claim to know its speeds. All i know is it is there.
Digital Foundry said Killer Instinct was 1080p too. I don't trust their measurements done by eye at all.
Infamous SS with such overwhelmingly impressive graphics at 60 FPS...?
I call bullshit, sorry. Yet another exemple of people creating rumors and nurturing them!
Mass Effect
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I haven't seen anything else about it. I'm only going by his word with this one. I do, however, vaguely recall reading something about SS targeting 30 FPS during E3, but perhaps they decided to go for 60?
Found it:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4
Yeah, if what he (Grizz) saw was the E3 build, then I suppose it's possible that it may not be. However, besides that DF article, I can't find anything else on Infamous' framerate.
It's up in the air at this point.
The Wii had nand flash ram too, so are we saying the Wii has an SSD drive now too?
So does the Vita, and the 12GB PS3 and the 4GB 360. They must all have ssd I guess.
nhlducks35
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Macbook Air (which has speeds of 500MB/s)
Wii U flash memory is the orange square (speeds of around 30MB/s or so IIRC)
FlutterPuffs
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Yes, it's an onboard nand memory, but it isn't an SSD drive.
You know, show us sources that say an onboard nand memory is equal to an SSD drive. Prove us wrong.
BigTnaples
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Any boost is a good one. My biggest problem with my Xbox One is the lack of horsepower.
Right? That is the question of the hour currently.
I am scouring the internet and have found nothing even remotely close to such a confirmation; not even of it being 30fps.
I have to assume this is a cross wire. There's no way...
tensuke
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Even if it's onboard it's still different from an SSD, the controller is completely different, the interface is different, the way it's handled is different, the way it's designed is different, etc. NAND flash on the motherboard is not an SSD, but SSDs do use NAND flash chips.
Check this
http://superuser.com/questions/594357/ssd-sd-emmc-raw-nand-what-are-the-differences
I don't think the speed is necessarily going to be a problem though.
what thats silly? why don't you prove that its not?
But i already said I am not going to claim it either way.
I just highly doubt its at thumb drive speeds.
You can mistake a resolution if the image is sharp enough and constantly in motion, you can't mistake the fluidness of 60fps to 20fps by eye.
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