I don't speak Italian, but are you sure that the deal is not more like "Trade in your 360 (or three games, or whatever) and get a discount of 100€ for a total price of 399€"? Such things are rarely cumulative but capped.
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I don't speak Italian, but are you sure that the deal is not more like "Trade in your 360 (or three games, or whatever) and get a discount of 100€ for a total price of 399€"? Such things are rarely cumulative but capped.
dragonelite
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Gemüsepizza;80103677 said:
So who will take the effort to inform the casuals?
Well I'm posting according to my opinion.
I'm sorry, I thought this was America
(Randy quote)
And no, it's not my "intention" but something some of you guys want to see.
Please don't take offense to my post, it's just how you come off with the tone. Guess the negative stigma surrounding X1 doesn't help either.
Exactly!
And just as week speak, my GTX770, my mainboard, my power-supply and my PC tower arrived. Now I have everything
Can't wait to set this thing up today ;DNah, no problem!
I know what you mean, because I'm really not a "friend" of the XBone since the reveal.
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Exactly!
And just as week speak, my GTX770, my mainboard, my power-supply and my PC tower arrived. Now I have everything
LOL. You're going to be a busy man. Let me know how you get on
Will doLOL. You're going to be a busy man. Let me know how you get on
Of course they do if they never bought an Xbox 360 or used it for games. And of course pre-orders are skewed towards gamers. When have non-gamers ever pre-ordered a console?
Into hot fudge secret sauce.
Exactly!
And just as week speak, my GTX770, my mainboard, my power-supply and my PC tower arrived. Now I have everything
Nah, no problem!
I know what you mean, because I'm really not a "friend" of the XBone since the reveal.
I don't blame you bud, I really don't
maabus1999
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Neither is an impulse buy, so the price really doesn't do much at first.
Games will be a primary factor deciding between the two the first year or so.
Oh, and everyone is downplaying marketing here. Marketing will be way more important for either than price in the first years to get momentum going.
Just look at other electronics sectors, $100 is nothing on what people decide to buy (be it smart phones, tablets, laptops, etc...) when they are first released. Price elasticity is pretty small on electronics items until they really drop to the impulse buying zone.
Games will be a primary factor deciding between the two the first year or so.
Oh, and everyone is downplaying marketing here. Marketing will be way more important for either than price in the first years to get momentum going.
Just look at other electronics sectors, $100 is nothing on what people decide to buy (be it smart phones, tablets, laptops, etc...) when they are first released. Price elasticity is pretty small on electronics items until they really drop to the impulse buying zone.
b-b-b-b-but 150MHz!!!
So how do tablets work. You can get a 16 gig ipad for $500 but you can also get a 16 gig android tablet for $150 . If it was just monetary obviously the android tablet would sell.
The same time you can buy plastic head phoens for $5 or for $150 with the beats name slapped on them. But beats are extremely popular and sought after.
And lets bring it back to video games. The ps3 through the generation cost any where from $100-$300 more than the xbox 360 but has still managed to sell close to parity with the system.
So if it was just monetary those examples wouldn't be valid .
In other sectors, You have dozens if not hundreds of devices, not 2 or 3. Price gaps do not exist and You can always buy something sligthly better or more appealing for 5$ more. Hence price is not that important as functionality and brand.
Here, we're talking just 2 devices with 25% price gap and little understanding (this is where marketing will help and need to happen to inform and educate the consumer why he would have to spend 100$ more) .
In console space, there is not a single case of overly expensive (look at your pocket, how much You shell, not what You get for it) device which was successful. At certain price point it really doesn't matter what You get. You don't need it at this price.
Money does count, it's your examples that are flawed.
Why do people buy shoes which cost 100$ when in another store there are the almost same shoes available at 20$ instead?
Brand perception is the key.
Apple has established itself as the equivalent of a high fashion Italian factory, so people are willing to pay more for their stylish products.
On the contrary MS always represented the equivalent of a cheap Chinese factory (just look at the Xbone design, it's the exact opposite of something you would proudly show to your friends) but they've been thinking they are Apple for some years now and people will buy their products whatever the price.
See how well that turned out with Surface, and the many failed consumer products MS had in the last few years.
Maybe some here will pass out flyers at stores. Don't laugh that has been mentioned before.
Interesting that the Microsoft breakdown shows 30GB/s to the CPU for the Xbox One, while the PS4 has 20. The PS4 allocates way more to the GPU of course, but it's interesting that they didn't decide to give it a bit more of the bandwidth while Microsoft did with less overall bandwidth to spare.
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Brad Grenz
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The PS4 uses the missing 10GBps for the added Onion+ bus.
SoundofSilence
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Might as well enjoy it while it lasts...
I would proudly show off my xbox one. It looks a lot nicer than the ps4.
You speak of brand perception but sony's brand has been all but non existant for years. The company is clawing its way back to relevance and doing a poor job in most catagories.
Kinda sounds like Microsoft's current performance in many sectors as well.
Do you know something?
Also if you ask me the Xbox One CPU clock boost to 1.75GHz kinda add fire to the old rumors about the PS4 CPU being clocked at 1.8GHz.
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How? MS is not aware of Sony's specs. Unless they are! But that's too much of a conspiracy for it to happen.
malboroking
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And yet despite releasing a year later for a hundred dollars more, the PS3 is still going to outsell the 360. What does that tell you about Microsofts brand perception?
Nothing to do with MS but the fact that 1.8GHz rumors was kinda looked over because standard Jaguar CPU's are clocked at 1.6GHz .
Megadragon15
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You forgot to mention 3 $100 prioce drops, 1 $50 price drop and 1 $20 price increase that Sony had to do to get the PS3 price competive while Microsoft only did 1 $100 price drop. (I'm talking about the USA.)
I don't think that there is a standard clock for Jaguar. AMD's own products seem to range from 1Ghz to 2Ghz. AnandTech speculated that 1,6Ghz might be a sweet spot since both consoles seemed to have chosen that clock speed independently.
Actually $200 more.
malboroking
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The Xbox has always had cheaper options than the PS3 until very recently, so I'm not sure what your point is? Of course the cost of electronics go down over time, every single console in history has done this.
That "sweet spot" was for TDP relative to performance.
Bam Bam Baklava
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360 has been the cheaper option for nearly this entire generation man.
Syphon Filter
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Sony lost tons of marketshare though.
Megadragon15
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My point is, based on how stingy Microsoft was with price drops, they seemed to not be competing for install base like Sony was. The fact is the XBox 360 should be a lot cheaper now than it is being 8 years old and very obsolete.
Yes, but they derived their data by comparing two Jaguar APUs with different GPUs (one with 1,5Ghz CPU clock and 500mhz GPU clock and the other with 2,0Ghz CPU clock and 600mhz GPU clock). Between those two APUs, there was a TDP difference of 10 watts (66%). In addition, the GPU models were different. So I don't think that their conclusion about this sweet spot is valid. I think their main reason for that conclusion was the observation that both consoles went for the same CPU/GPU clock speeds.
Because journalists have decided to make articles out of this. It's not like MS is itself really over-hyping this boost, some exec just mentioned it in some confrence and Albert Penello confirmed it. In twitter.
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Bam Bam Baklava
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It's pretty obvious at this point.
you mean like the proof that the PS3 launched an entire year after the 360, yet now has more units sold?...
is this where i get to end my post with a #TRUTHFACT??
Chobel
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How the fuck does this even work? Wouldn't making such a huge change mere weeks before the console releases cause trouble for pretty much everyone involved?
Chobel
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I think they did test it and saw there will no problem. Also revealing this information now doesn't mean that they did it just now. They probably upclocked before and they choose to reveal it now.
They also probably had it in the cards before they settled on the final numbers.
Is the sky blue? This isn't a debate. The PS3 has outsold the 360 worldwide after releasing a year late. There's no discussion to be had on that front.
Daffy Duck
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What's all this talk about some supposed hidden layer containing the amd volcanic islands design?
Seen it on a couple of sites.
Can't see it myself.
Seen it on a couple of sites.
Can't see it myself.
Garrett 2U
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Rumor/speculation. Will be confirmed/debunked by October.
I believe September 26th is Microsoft's conference, which is the day after AMD's reveal.
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