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1990's Cartoon Survivor (Do-Over)
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Blah, there goes my master plan.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Kill: Dragon Ball Z
Kill: Batman Beyond
Same kills as yesterday so same reasons to kill them.
Kill: Batman Beyond
Same kills as yesterday so same reasons to kill them.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
kill: hey arnold (never watched it compared to the other shows so it means nothing to me on the list)
kill: batman beyond (was good but only the best batman shall win)
kill: batman beyond (was good but only the best batman shall win)
Kill: Batman Beyond
Kill: Hey! Arnold
Batman Beyond was great, but too many good shows are falling because cyberpunk batman refuses to go gently into that good night.
Hey Arnold is the remaining show for which I never carried any personal fondness. It has become King of the "kids doing stuff" shows, and it can be pleased with that.
(we'll miss you Rugrats! So, so close...)
Kill: Hey! Arnold
Batman Beyond was great, but too many good shows are falling because cyberpunk batman refuses to go gently into that good night.
Hey Arnold is the remaining show for which I never carried any personal fondness. It has become King of the "kids doing stuff" shows, and it can be pleased with that.
(we'll miss you Rugrats! So, so close...)
"Hate" isn't the right word. I think everyone here respects it, seeing as how it made it to top nine, but not a lot of us think it needs to crack top five or anything if Batman TAS is already likely to be number 1 or 2.
Spectral Glider
Member
Kill: DBZ (Always just seemed like one big, loud, noisy mess to me. Didn't understand it and didn't want to.)
Kill: Animaniacs (Newer Warner cartoons always just made me want to watch the much better classic Warner cartoons of the golden age.)
Kill: Animaniacs (Newer Warner cartoons always just made me want to watch the much better classic Warner cartoons of the golden age.)
Granted.
But there is no way DBZ could be considered better than Batman Beyond.
I can't quantify that.
Kill: DBZ
Kill: Animaniacs
DBZ is in company it doesn't deserve to be in. Joke alliance to keep it alive this late in the thread is worse than the Reboot one. If I wasn't so busy with work this week, I would've gotten back to my old habits and marshaled enough people to kill this shallow anime already.
Animaniacs was annoying and yeah, many jokes were very hit/miss. Very try hard.
You're severely downplaying the repetitiveness that plagued every season after the Saiyan saga. The Frieza saga had numerous fights where hero shows up and villain have showdown, hero and/or villain is confident he is purely stronger and can defeat opponents, hero or villain reveals new power up/transformation that puts him above opponent, new hero shows up if hero was outclassed by villain, very long charge ups, someone gets hit by a huge beam covering the environment in smoke, confident smirking hero/villain is shocked to find his opponent is unphased, rinse, repeat, over and over and over again.
It is a very tedious, drawn out season and it only gets worse in the following sagas. The show loses its impact doing this so frequently. The only time this was really terrifying was when Nappa charged up and earthquaked the ground. Tien is being pushed back by the sheer power, Gohan is shitting his pants and Piccolo is telling him to keep his wits together but internally aware that they're totally fucked. Also true for the showdown with Vegeta.
But that's it. After that "this isn't even my final form" became a total joke. I remain convinced that its defense force is on the young side and mainly supporting it due to the immense popularity of the 2000s Funi/Toonami dub and the plethora of video games and merchandise and DVD releases that continued to maintain its mainstream spotlight. The show is VERY fresh and recent in the minds of people. Strictly 90s DBZ was fairly obscure and not a top 10 anything in the minds of anyone alive and aware at the time.
Kill: Animaniacs
DBZ is in company it doesn't deserve to be in. Joke alliance to keep it alive this late in the thread is worse than the Reboot one. If I wasn't so busy with work this week, I would've gotten back to my old habits and marshaled enough people to kill this shallow anime already.
Animaniacs was annoying and yeah, many jokes were very hit/miss. Very try hard.
You're severely downplaying the repetitiveness that plagued every season after the Saiyan saga. The Frieza saga had numerous fights where hero shows up and villain have showdown, hero and/or villain is confident he is purely stronger and can defeat opponents, hero or villain reveals new power up/transformation that puts him above opponent, new hero shows up if hero was outclassed by villain, very long charge ups, someone gets hit by a huge beam covering the environment in smoke, confident smirking hero/villain is shocked to find his opponent is unphased, rinse, repeat, over and over and over again.
It is a very tedious, drawn out season and it only gets worse in the following sagas. The show loses its impact doing this so frequently. The only time this was really terrifying was when Nappa charged up and earthquaked the ground. Tien is being pushed back by the sheer power, Gohan is shitting his pants and Piccolo is telling him to keep his wits together but internally aware that they're totally fucked. Also true for the showdown with Vegeta.
But that's it. After that "this isn't even my final form" became a total joke. I remain convinced that its defense force is on the young side and mainly supporting it due to the immense popularity of the 2000s Funi/Toonami dub and the plethora of video games and merchandise and DVD releases that continued to maintain its mainstream spotlight. The show is VERY fresh and recent in the minds of people. Strictly 90s DBZ was fairly obscure and not a top 10 anything in the minds of anyone alive and aware at the time.
weekend_warrior
Banned
Kill: The Powerpuff Girls
Kill: DragonBall Z
Kill: DragonBall Z
TheAbsolution
Member
Give a reason, any reason or I'll have to disqualify your vote.
Doctor Decimate
Member
I already have in this thread
RepairmanJack
Member
Kill: DBZ : I've said plenty of why I don't think this should be in the top ten. Bad dub, filled with insane amounts of filler, doesn't really hold up.
Kill: Batman Beyond : This was never really a good stand alone cartoon. It should have been dropped long ago. It was a futuristic rehash of everything batman, nothing really new and nothing interesting at all.
Kill: Batman Beyond : This was never really a good stand alone cartoon. It should have been dropped long ago. It was a futuristic rehash of everything batman, nothing really new and nothing interesting at all.
Kill: Animaniacs - It tried to hard and I hate cartoons where one group always picks on another and wins.
Kill: Simpsons - It's a good show but I think it benefits from appealing to adults as their specific target demographic while all the other cartoons appealed to kids but may have been mature enough to ALSO appeal to teens and young adults.
Family Guy, Simpsons, South Park all EASILY win kids over with their adult humor while real cartoons like Tiny Toons, Gargoyles and Batman TAS appealed to kids, had to sell toys/games and still used adult references when they could have easily talked down to their audience.
Kill: Simpsons - It's a good show but I think it benefits from appealing to adults as their specific target demographic while all the other cartoons appealed to kids but may have been mature enough to ALSO appeal to teens and young adults.
Family Guy, Simpsons, South Park all EASILY win kids over with their adult humor while real cartoons like Tiny Toons, Gargoyles and Batman TAS appealed to kids, had to sell toys/games and still used adult references when they could have easily talked down to their audience.
You really wanna kill possibly the best cartoon show ever (in any decade) just because it's anticlimactic?
Yeah, the reasoning there is kind of idiotic.
If The Simpsons is the best (or second best) cartoon from the 90s, then it should win, politics and boredom aside.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
Dragon Ball Z was amazing back in the day. There had never been a show that could make such drawn out action sequences so exciting. A whole 30 minute episode that managed to stretch out an actual 2 minutes of fighting, yet it was so compelling that you were right there to tune in next week and watch that same fight span over 3-7 more episodes. No other show could ever hope to draw it's audience in like that. Anticipation was the emotion I believe they were most successful in drawing out. DBZ was phenomenon at the time, and aren't they airing it again today (too a rather receptive audience) with a lot of the long drawn out scenes cut short?
This show was just exciting, and even if it doesn't win the #1 spot, it's certainly top 5 just for the impact it had back in the 90's.
This show was just exciting, and even if it doesn't win the #1 spot, it's certainly top 5 just for the impact it had back in the 90's.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
You shut your whore mouth. ComicGAF and NolanGAF will come to assist at the end.
I feel that this is going a bit too far.
Please, can we keep things cordial here.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
That first one I talked to the guy about. The second one is just a general insult I use.
I would hope people realize these comments are in jest. I will tone it down a bit.
MikeHattsu
Member
That first one I talked to the guy about. The second one is just a general insult I use.
I would hope people realize these comments are in jest. I will tone it down a bit.
Somebody else already used the second one earlier ITT without anybody minding.
My intent is not to call out Human specifically. I did not see the other use, so I could not include it here.
This kind of verbal abuse simply serves to shut down conversation. It doesn't matter that you may or may not use it all the time, or that it is 'in jest'.
I want to see people vote against The Simpsons, and justify themselves, without worrying that it will release a torrent of abuse. It looks immature, and reflects poorly on the thread.
If you disagree, please engage in discussion, not insults.
I'll lay off on the topic now.
To be fair, I'm now emotionally scarred and can only be healed if everyone voted out the Simpsons.
MikeHattsu
Member
Alright. I'll join your cause whenever DBZ or Batman Beyond is gone.
Edit: Uh... So somebody is still doing the whole PM thing, eh?
That first one I talked to the guy about. The second one is just a general insult I use.
I would hope people realize these comments are in jest. I will tone it down a bit.
You're good in my book except you tried (and succeeded sometimes) to kill every anime on the 90's list. The thing that hurts the most is that you bare that Nausicaa avatar like some sort of wolf in sheeps clothing.
You should try to take out Batman Beyond because of reasons and stuff.
Just realised I haven't justified my choices this round.
DBZ : An adaption of the crappier half of the manga, terrible pace, middling animation, awful dub.
The Simpsons: While is was a great cartoon in its time, they just couldn't let it die.
Became a disgusting parody of itself, makes me not even want to revisit it.
DBZ : An adaption of the crappier half of the manga, terrible pace, middling animation, awful dub.
The Simpsons: While is was a great cartoon in its time, they just couldn't let it die.
Became a disgusting parody of itself, makes me not even want to revisit it.
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
The first ten seasons are always worth revisiting. It's one of the most quotable shows of the 90's, if not all time.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Hey, I deserve credit for helping to get DBZ into the top 10. Before my Superman/DBZ rivarly DBZ was looking to go out. Only anime I voted against was Sailor Moon.
Professor Renegade
Banned
Changed one of my kills to Dexter's Lab. It's not Batman Beyond's time yet.
It sure the hell is, we don't need 2 batman's
I might have to toss my save now, ugh
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Kill: Dexter's Lab
Kill: Animaniac's
Kill: Animaniac's
DBZ was enormous in America during the 90's. That's not just my personal opinion...
Most of these shows were made for children. The idea that something has to be enjoyable by adults to be a worthwhile cartoon is kind of ridiculous, though I actually have seen all of DBZ since and enjoyed most of it (up to Frieza saga mostly, but there are interesting bits sporadically after that as well). I know plenty of people that anticipated new episodes of DBZ in a way that I've never seen them anticipate any other cartoon, and that was most certainly in the 90's, which is why the show made the top 10.
I don't even want to argue about it anymore. I've defended it for days now, so my opinion is pretty much known at this point. A top 10 finish for it is already what it deserves so everything after this is gravy. I legitimately think Batman Beyond isn't as great of a show/that no one was nearly as excited for a new episode/etc, but if it doesn't die today, it'll just die tomorrow. It doesn't really matter at this point.
DBZ was not enormous in the 90s. As seen
here, it mostly aired very early on Saturdays and Sundays on local stations (I found my area and the information is accurate, down to the old channel name). All of us had heard of DBZ from a friend or maybe caught a couple of episodes after randomly getting up super early on Sunday... But most of us had seen little or none of it. It was more a niche/cult show. You have to be lying to yourself to say this show was even remotely huge like X-Men, Batman, Pokemon, etc.
here, it mostly aired very early on Saturdays and Sundays on local stations (I found my area and the information is accurate, down to the old channel name). All of us had heard of DBZ from a friend or maybe caught a couple of episodes after randomly getting up super early on Sunday... But most of us had seen little or none of it. It was more a niche/cult show. You have to be lying to yourself to say this show was even remotely huge like X-Men, Batman, Pokemon, etc.
Edit: I see the relevant data now. No dates are listed though, bringing us to...
Those DVD's still sell to this day and it was a huge toy/merch/etc empire back then. I never said it was bigger than Batman, X-Men or Pokemon. I doubt anyone has the data to make an argument for either of those first two (was Batman:TAS a huge merchandise seller? Was X-Men? I've got a couple X-men toys, but I couldn't say) but Pokemon was definitely a larger worldwide phenomenon.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
DBZ was on after school almost all the time.
I want to say earlier than 1998, because I didn't have time to watch it then, I was watching it mid 90's, but then I did have friends with imported videos and were heavy in anime. I remember all being in english too, and certainly way before 1998... like '93/'94 maybe.
If you were watching it at the time, then the people around you were, and they made you want to. at least that's how it was around me.
Gintoki313
Banned
Just noticed I didn't vote yet.
Kill: DBZ
Kill: Animaniacs
I hate killing DBZ especially after seeing the new DBZ movie today. It has to go some time.
Animaniacs I mostly stated the reason I disliked it before, the jokes always left me thinking too much as a kid. Unless the show went Looney Tunes, I rarely laughed at it.
Here's your DBZ dirty joke, or more of a dirty action. By the main man himself, Master Roshi.
Kill: DBZ
Kill: Animaniacs
I hate killing DBZ especially after seeing the new DBZ movie today. It has to go some time.
Animaniacs I mostly stated the reason I disliked it before, the jokes always left me thinking too much as a kid. Unless the show went Looney Tunes, I rarely laughed at it.
Here's your DBZ dirty joke, or more of a dirty action. By the main man himself, Master Roshi.
I was one of those people who watched DBZ religiously on Sunday morning at 6 am after it had switched from its 930 am time slot. When I entered high school they began airing DBZ on Toonami, that was '98. DBZ had at least a year and a half on a kick ass block of programming during prime time for kids during the 90s. I'd say it did just fine.
This is the first time in over a week that I haven't taken a tally at all. It'll be either DBZ or Batman Beyond, but I can't bring myself to care since whichever one that wins is probably gone tomorrow anyway.
I think Dragon Ball aired here before 98, but I never saw Z until it aired on Toonami. I don't remember ever hearing anyone talk about it either, which makes me think it simply didn't air in our market at all until then.
I think Dragon Ball aired here before 98, but I never saw Z until it aired on Toonami. I don't remember ever hearing anyone talk about it either, which makes me think it simply didn't air in our market at all until then.
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