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1up interviews Peter Moore about X360 Japan stuff
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Kabuki Waq
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:lol lmao i cant believe he called the core pack a retard pack.
oldschoolpinball
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no TFO 
shpankey
not an idiot
it makes me wonder if Moore hangs out at GAF.
and on the subject of "retard"... I know it's an accepted GAF saying ("retard pack" I mean) and i know that it's probably just because it hits me on a personal level, but as a father of a daughter who suffers debilitating seizures, that have left her (now 8) with the mentality of a 2 year old, I wish it would stop. hearing that word and thinking of someone saying that about my daughter hurts in ways I cannot even describe to you. the word itself is offensive beyond description.
and on the subject of "retard"... I know it's an accepted GAF saying ("retard pack" I mean) and i know that it's probably just because it hits me on a personal level, but as a father of a daughter who suffers debilitating seizures, that have left her (now 8) with the mentality of a 2 year old, I wish it would stop. hearing that word and thinking of someone saying that about my daughter hurts in ways I cannot even describe to you. the word itself is offensive beyond description.
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shpankey said:
I was going to be a real jerk to others and then shpankey breaks my heart
Aika'svyse
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Moore: From Japan? Well, a couple of games come to mind. That I could own, and call my own. Things like Animal Crossing, Kingdom Hearts, things like that, you could argue. Things that, I think...I think we feel very comfortable about our Square Enix relationship. I dunno. But seriously, Mario is the one, I love Mario. I can still see me playing that game, driving me nuts, mushrooms, and [starts making Mario jumping noises]. :lol :lol :lol
Completely unsurprising. Relations between MS and Level 5 are completely broken beyond repair, and regardless of who you believe screwed who, both companies hate each other right now. Plus I think L5 has such a good relationship with SCE right now, they could care less about working with anyone else, save of course SE (though I don't think that relationship will extend beyond DQ). L5 is pretty much the Japanese equivalent of Insomniac; not technically a first party to SCE, but they might as well be.
dillingerx
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This is also the same guy that said there would be no Square support for 360,before it was announced a week laterBorkBork said:
Say what? Moore, along with everyone at MS for the last 4 years, have been continually stating that 'talks with SE are going well, and support is imminent'. No one at MS has ever, ever stated that they felt SE would never support the 360; that's completely absurd. Not to mention so is the notion that supplying a 4 year old port of a PS2 game construes support, but that's a whole other topic.dillingerx said:
There's two different boats of thought on what happened. One (which originated from TXB forums), is that Level 5 got in over their head with TFLO, sucking up more and more resources, constantly delaying the game over and over, and (this is my favorite part) utilized the funds from MS for TFLO to make DQVIII and RG instead (despite the fact that Level 5 didn't even fucking fund those games in the first place), which angered MSJ to the point of cancelling development. I personally don't subscribe to this theory, as it's too indescript and simplistic (not to mention fucking retarded), and is akin to the similar theory in regards to Atlus and SMT:Nine for the Xbox, wherein some feel Atlus purposely flubbed the game, also using the bulk of the resources MS gave Atlus to fund SMT: Nocturne instead. Completely absurd stuff IMO, considering no publisher in the world would simply give a lump sum of cash and 'hope' that developer in turn makes the game they want.shpankey said:
Anyways, this is what I gather happened according to all that I've read on the subject:
According to what I know, TFLO was around 70-80% complete, but throughout development two major problems plagued the title, both instigated by MS Japan (but not helped by L5 either). Firstly, L5 was having an extremely difficult time properly implementing the voice chat in the game (you can probably understand why), but MSJ was intensely adamant that the game could not release without VC. Secondly, MSJ and Level 5's vision on the title was almost completely opposite. Level 5 wanted to create the title to be more casual and easy to play (think WoW) whereas MSJ desperately wanted a typical EQ style MMO, that would hook JP players and bring in a good amount of income over a long while. Needless to say, there was much strife between the two over the subject, and they were never able to see eye to eye.
Supposedly, L5 got so tired of MSJ's control over the title, and they're incessant disapproval of each subsequent build, that they offered up an ultimatum of 'Let us just finish and release it in the style we've got going or else we'll be forced to halt development'. This happened right around the time that MGS's first party studios were totally revamped, and MSJ didn't take too well to this, and after one last ditch (futile) effort to get L5 to get TFLO out the way they wanted, they pulled all remaining funding on the project. Since Level 5 didn't own any rights to the title whatsoever (MS reportedly funded upwards of 95% of the project, and retained all rights) they had no choice but to scrap all further development on the project. I've read that Level 5 lost around ¥80 million on TFLO.
As you can see, MS feels L5 wasted far too much time, and L5 is furious that so many man-hours and money went into a game that will never be released.
Wow, where is that interview from? Serious smoke and mirrors there, since MS would have had their entire E3 conference all set up by then.sangreal said:
Totally different situations anyways, as it's kinda obvious Moore tried to set up teh megaton surprise with that blatantly false comment, whereas he's been stated TFLO's not on the slate for almost a year now.
Of course, one could hope that internal communication at MS is just that bad.
Dunno if it's true or not but tons of japanese companies agreed on working for MS thanks to free licenses for MS-based stuff such as windows, .NETs, etc.
Of course you don't give a crap about it, but if you are a big enterprise like Konami or Capcom that means saving tons of money
That's what I understood as money hats from MS side.
Of course you don't give a crap about it, but if you are a big enterprise like Konami or Capcom that means saving tons of money
That's what I understood as money hats from MS side.
Heian-kyo said:
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=46951
to be fair, it came from a print magazine so who knows when he actually said it.
element
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Voice was a HUGE factor, AFAIK. MS really wanted an MMO to support voice, in it would have been sorta the first one to do it.Heian-kyo said:
I heard L5 has problems on the server side of things, but the client was awesome. I got to fool around with the game one time on a 'local' machine and it was pretty cool. super casual.
It's really too bad that L5 didn't own the rights to the game (they never could've afforded that though, even now would be tough), as it would have been super awesome to see SCE or Square Enix or someone pick it up and help them finish it off.element said:
As it is now, if MS wants it done they'll either have to finish it themselves or get someone else, which would kill my anticipation for it.
BlueTsunami
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Peter Moore said:
So what is this? Some type of bluff? Does MS really have a game in the works with SE (they seemed buddy buddy around last E3). Or is this a serious statement?
After reading Dean Takahashi's 'Opening the Xbox', this doesn't surprise me in the least. According to Dean, MS is very aggressive when it comes to 'moneyhats', be it either straight up cash, marketing assistance, royalty breaks or supplementary deals (ie. the examples you gave above).ourumov said:Dunno if it's true or not but tons of japanese companies agreed on working for MS thanks to free licenses for MS-based stuff such as windows, .NETs, etc.
Of course you don't give a crap about it, but if you are a big enterprise like Konami or Capcom that means saving tons of money
That's what I understood as money hats from MS side.
Problem is, 'moneyhats' aren't as common a practice in Japan as they are in the West, and many Japanese companies are against the notion; especially coming from an American powerhouse such as MS.