2 Super 2 Tuesday |OT| I'm Really Feeling (The Bern) (3/15, 3/22, 3/26 Contests)

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BowieZ said:
Armchair experts on both sides have been grating...

But yeah, your response was uncalled for. Don't take it so personal, dude! Half the fun of this thread is entertaining the notion of Hillary losing, which would be great for the Democratic Party. Why you gots to rain on the parade?
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Please explain how an actual democrat losing the Democratic Primary to a non-democrat ideologue who's entire momentum is built on fairy tales and lies when his very promises are things he couldn't deliver when given the opportunity on a smaller scale (responsibly ran single payer through the VA for example) and who has done nothing down-ballot to aid anyone that could ever work towards achieving those goals.

I would honestly love to hear this logic.

Sanders would be great for the Democratic Party if you're a Republican who wants a get out of jail free card on Trump as the nom.
 
reggieandTFE said:
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Feeling the Bern in IL despite just learning about this Rocky guy in the polling booth.

Funny enough, I voted right next to my former Aldermen running for state rep. I didn't have the heart to tell him I was voting for his opponent.
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Anyone know what determines the order? Is it randomised per ballot?

Drek said:
Please explain how an actual democrat losing the Democratic Primary to a non-democrat ideologue who's entire momentum is built on fairy tales and lies ...

I would honestly love to hear this logic.

Sanders would be great for the Democratic Party if you're a Republican who wants a get out of jail free card on Trump as the nom.
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Yeah I'd rather not waste my time on this one. :) Thanks, though! Although I do hope for all of our sakes that Clinton will be a fighter for good progressive policies once she wins and the rhetoric is over.
 
Went and voted in IL with my wife. Was very easy. In and out in about 15 minutes. There was only one person there voting when we got there and a democrat behind us.

Go Bernie!

Edit: Bernie Sanders was the last candidate on my ballot as well.
 
Here are my predictions:

IL: Hilary
Ohio: Hilary
MO: Bernie
FL: Hilary
NC: Hilary

IL will be super close like Iowa. Cant wait to go vote.

Might as well do Republican Primaries as well.

Trump wins everything except for OH which goes to kasich.
 
Infinite hype!

Trump rules the universe regardless of results in Ohio. First, Florida is almost a lock and could even get called right after polls close. If Kasich wins Ohio he meaninglessly justifies staying in a bit longer and any split of the #nevertrump vote is good for Trump. If Trump wins Ohio (Florida is almost a total lock) he can declare by fiat that he's won, and the GOP will look progressively more stupid trying to deny that.

Sanders is screwed, sorry. Even if he wins 3 of 5 states today he'll end up down another 50+ delegates. It's. Just. Not. Possible. His supporters (still) seem to believe this fallacy that the person with the most state wins or the largest percentage of the map covered by their candidate wins, or something, and that Supers will break to him as a result. It's not happening. That's not how this works. It was never going to happen anyway, but now it's super-duper-mega not going to happen. There is absolutely zero political/pragmatic justification for any Supers to swap over, so, yeah, that's not going to change.
 
Just cast my vote in MO. Went with Bernie, I was tempted to vote on the Republican side against Trump but part of me wants to see him win the nomination and just get destroyed in November
 
Drek said:
Please explain how an actual democrat losing the Democratic Primary to a non-democrat ideologue who's entire momentum is built on fairy tales and lies when his very promises are things he couldn't deliver when given the opportunity on a smaller scale (responsibly ran single payer through the VA for example) and who has done nothing down-ballot to aid anyone that could ever work towards achieving those goals.

I would honestly love to hear this logic.

Sanders would be great for the Democratic Party if you're a Republican who wants a get out of jail free card on Trump as the nom.
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You might want to tone down the hostility, a discussion doesn't have to be a fight.

Democrats are not always right, either. One of the biggest motivating factors this primary season is authenticity - and a politician not being critical of their own party is not authentic. And this is a problem facing Hillary in Illinois - she and the DNC are so concerned with impressing each other that she forgets that the whole state hates this guy.

Bernie seems to be completely disinterested in this circlejerk aspect of politics. Trump, on the other hand, is interested in it for the opposite reason, he's using it as a springboard for himself.
 
Matt_ said:
What sort of time can we expect results to start coming in?
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about 7 eastern
reggieandTFE said:
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Feeling the Bern in IL despite just learning about this Rocky guy in the polling booth.

Funny enough, I voted right next to my former Aldermen running for state rep. I didn't have the heart to tell him I was voting for his opponent.
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Oh lord here comes the tinfoil hates "They rig the votes to put Bernie last, psychologically no one wants to pick someone in the last spot"
 
BowieZ said:
Yeah I'd rather not waste my time on this one. :) Thanks, though! Although I do hope for all of our sakes that Clinton will be a fighter for good progressive policies once she wins and the rhetoric is over.
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So he isn't lying when he:

1. says NAFTA, etc. cost jobs when there is still substantial debate of the effect of various trade deals including a hotly contested discussion about whether there were net job loss or gain. Considering that this is a tactic he's employing to poison the well with working class voters against Hillary and the Democratic Party I'm not quite sure how this is a "good" thing for the party.

2. claims he's got a plan for free college tuition when his plan is entirely built on states opting into a massive increase in state spending on post-secondary education with a federal match program, something far less likely to be picked up than the ACA, which many Republican governors actively worked to prevent the implementation of in their state.

3. Acts like his "universal healthcare" plan is going to magically pass, then when it does that employers will magically pass on the savings from employee healthcare plan contributions to the employees, making up for the middle class tax hikes that come with it, even though he's already increasing taxes on those same employers.

His plans are, simply put, dog shit. I'd love to see how that is "good" for anyone but Sanders and, should he miraculously be the nomination, Donald J. Trump.
 
Slayven said:
Oh lord here comes the tinfoil hates "They rig the votes to put Bernie last, psychologically no one wants to pick someone in the last spot"
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It is what it is. My ballot (which was very different from the one pictured) also had Hillary first and Bernie last. Maybe next someone will post a ballot with Bernie first?

And you don't need to bring out any tinfoil to know that the deck is stacked.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
This seems like it will help Trump.

But man, those Democrats voting for Trump are playing with fire. I wouldn't want to be someone who voted for Trump as a joke, only for him to become president, as unlikely as it is.
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kobayashi maru

Looking at the GOP, are there really any sane options? Kasich's middle of the road act is just that, an act. He's regularly thrown meat to the religious wacko base and those who hate the poor and minorities. He just doesn't wear it on his sleeve like the others.
 
johnny956 said:
Just cast my vote in MO. Went with Bernie, I was tempted to vote on the Republican side against Trump but part of me wants to see him win the nomination and just get destroyed in November
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I mean there is a chance he can win. I don't think he will get destroyed. Before I never thought he had a chance but my gut is telling me different now. I do think trump could help in business and a few policies possibly and he seems keen on not letting people tell him what to do (which is beyond obvious) if he wasnt so crazy on the other shit he wouldnt be that bad. (atleast better than cruz rubio imo) But since he is being crazy to some groups, it sort of makes him a bit horrible for a lot of people. But all in all I dont think it matters who is presidet honestly, it will all be the same as it always seems to be . The whole wall thing seems to be the most crazy to me though, it just really makes no sense.

But honestly, I dont think there is a president that will be good for everyone, its almost impossible though.
 
Arkeband said:
You might want to tone down the hostility, a discussion doesn't have to be a fight.

Democrats are not always right, either. One of the biggest motivating factors this primary season is authenticity - and a politician not being critical of their own party is not authentic. And this is a problem facing Hillary in Illinois - she and the DNC are so concerned with impressing each other that she forgets that the whole state hates this guy.

Bernie seems to be completely disinterested in this circlejerk aspect of politics. Trump, on the other hand, is interested in it for the opposite reason, he's using it as a springboard for himself.
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I've got no hostility, just a lack of sugar coating for the demurring and persistent avoidance of responding to real criticism from Sanders supporters.

I'm not a democrat. I've only voted for one the last two POTUS elections because Obama was, and still is, clearly the smartest guy in the room. I'm not a fan of Hillary but she is 1. better than the rest of the field. 2. honest about what her legislative agenda would be and 3. demonstrably more capable at achieving some kind of tangible progress than every other candidate.

Authenticity is a real problem in this election cycle because we're seeing two populists running on smoke and mirrors making significant inroads despite little or no merit. They're running on platforms of false authenticity while attempting to depict someone speaking with the nuance necessary for most U.S. political topics as a flip flopper or weather-vane candidate.

The opposition within the Democratic Primary to Clinton is built almost entirely out of a generic anti-establishment narrative and a personal dislike for the woman. The former is anti-intellectual at it's core as it is only anti-establishment for the sake of being anti-establishment. There is no rigor behind the though process and the result is a swath of Sanders supporters who claim they'd flip to Trump. The later is buying into one of the many inherent vices of American politics, personality testing candidates instead of selecting them on merit. That was how we ended up with President George W. Bush.
 
If any people in Florida and Ohio have a brain, they would not for Trump. He probably will win Florida though. :( Please lose states today though.
 
Voted before heading out to work (sometimes it's handy to live across the street from an elementary school). I was in and out within 5-6 minutes. It helped that I'd already filled out a BalletReady list and just had to find my choices.

Voted for Bernie, and I'll be fine voting for Hillary in the General.
 
BitStyle said:
So what are the expectations for Kasich in OH? 2nd?
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He'll likely win it, and stay in the race, which is kind of funny because it'll just be more votes taken from Cruz in the long run, and more wins for Trump.

But if Trump won Ohio, it's over.

So the GOP is kind of stuck, unless Kasich strangely drops out despite winning Ohio, but that doesn't make any sense.
 
I went out and voted for Bernie today in Illinois. Even if he doesn't win the primary, I'm very willing to vote for Hillary.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
He'll likely win it, and stay in the race, which is kind of funny because it'll just be more votes taken from Cruz in the long run, and more wins for Trump.

But if Trump won Ohio, it's over.

So the GOP is kind of stuck, unless Kasich strangely drops out despite winning Ohio, but that doesn't make any sense.
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Trump was pushing Ohio more than others wasn't he? Guess he feels comfortable in Fl

Kasich promised he would easily win ohio though.
 
So as a Democrat in Ohio do I go toss a vote away for Bernie or just say I'm Republican and vote Kasich to try to further gum up the GOP nomination?

Torn here honestly.
 
Allforce said:
So as a Democrat in Ohio do I go toss a vote away for Bernie or just say I'm Republican and vote Kasich to try to further gum up the GOP nomination?

Torn here honestly.
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In proportional delegate allocation, no vote is a waste.

Please vote for Bernie if at the very worst it makes the race more interesting! :p

But don't forget, if you think Hillary will win anyway, voting for her is ALSO a waste ;)
 
Allforce said:
So as a Democrat in Ohio do I go toss a vote away for Bernie or just say I'm Republican and vote Kasich to try to further gum up the GOP nomination?

Torn here honestly.
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Low Democrat voter turn out will be spun as a positive for any GOP candidate, who are all shit, so voting Republican in an attempt to influence their circus is a waste IMO.
 
If Trump wins Florida and Ohio, the primaries are over. He can just coast by and still meet the required delegates.

So it's kind of funny the GOP now needs to rely on someone who isn't going to win the nomination at all and has no path to do so, to win.

What a mess. A big fat mess.
 
Florida - Trump and Clinton
North Carolina - Trump and Clinton
Ohio - Trump/Kasich and Clinton
Missouri - Trump and Clinton/Sanders
Illinois - Trump/Cruz and Clinton/Sanders

I hope for Trump/Clinton clean sweeps but don't think that'll happen, especially Ohio for Trump and Missouri for Clinton.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
If Trump wins Florida and Ohio, the primaries are over. He can just coast by and still meet the required delegates.

So it's kind of funny the GOP now needs to rely on someone who isn't going to win the nomination at all and has no path to do so, to win.

What a mess. A big fat mess.
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Trump is a nasty guy
 
Cross posting from Poligaf:
So Hilary got at least one under 25 white male vote in NC.
Please don't murder me OT
At the polling place I was at they had 3 girls of about my age (20) working at the polling station, but I did not see anyone young people actually voting besides me.
Maybe it is because they work normal hours, unlike me.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
He'll likely win it, and stay in the race, which is kind of funny because it'll just be more votes taken from Cruz in the long run, and more wins for Trump.

But if Trump won Ohio, it's over.

So the GOP is kind of stuck, unless Kasich strangely drops out despite winning Ohio, but that doesn't make any sense.
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If Trump knocks out both Rubio and Kasich today there is potential for the 'not Trump' contingent to rally behind Cruz, which would see a much closer contest.

The problem with that rationale is that Cruz was Trump before Trump. The guy no one in the party liked, the extremist ideologue going one step further than the typical GOP dog whistle tactics. He was one-upped by Trump in that capacity and has since fled to the establishment for cover. So if we're looking at a Trump v. Cruz race would the distaste for Cruz re-emerge and instead of gaining voters from Rubio/Kasich departing would we instead just see fewer mainstream Republicans showing up?
 
I think Hillary wins everything except maybe MO/IL

Trump wins everything but OH

They both go another long way towards cementing their path to their respective nominations.
 
Splendor said:
Cross posting from Poligaf:
So Hilary got at least one under 25 white male vote in NC.
Please don't murder me OT
At the polling place I was at they had 3 girls of about my age (20) working at the polling station, but I did not see anyone young people actually voting besides me.
Maybe it is because they work normal hours, unlike me.
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See any black panthers terrorizing white folk?
 
I really hope that if Hillary's path to the nomination becomes clear tonight, that the Bernie supporters will throw the towel in and focus their attacks on Trump from now on.

Edit: Typo.
 
Can you imagine how bad heilemann and halperin and politico will be if this drags on? God the raw sewage that will flood the media every day until June 7...
 
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