RPGCrazied
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Specially if Trump wins, this shit will continue until November. Almost another year... ugh!
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Specially if Trump wins, this shit will continue until November. Almost another year... ugh!
Calamari41
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Do we have any data to suggest that these apparently large numbers of flippers are Operation Chaos adherents? If they're legitimately flipping, that spells trouble.
gutter_trash
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Trump is the 2nd easiest nominee for Democrats to defeat. It will be a blow out
Cruz would be even way easier.
Your wish of having Rubio or Kasich is dangerous because Rubio is vocal about being against Same Sex Marriage and against abortion.
Trump, never ever talks about gays ever. Plus his stance on Planned Parenthood goes against the rest of the Republican Party
teruterubozu
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Rush Limbaugh - the original proponent of Operation Chaos - says the numbers are too large to simply be all Operation Chaos.
Math help? 9 months
balladofwindfishes
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Which is "almost another year"
I'm curious, how do you see Cruz doing even worse in a general election than Trump?
RPGCrazied
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Uh, that is why I said "almost". Nice try though.
Excellent breakdown.
Calamari41
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That's what I'm thinking too. Plus, after Michigan, I don't think Hillary's supporters would be so keen on handing Sanders more surprise upset victories in high profile states and extending this primary season just to troll the Republicans. It will be interesting to see how this goes forward.
The second easiest to defeat? I'm gonna have to disagree there. His "celebrity" alone is dangerous enough. I'm confident he would lose to any democrat at this point, but he is the toughest of them all.
We need to stop making excuses as to why people are voting for him(Operation Chaos). Bottom line is he has a stage for his voice to be heard and sadly there is a audience.
My feeling is that Trump would probably go third party despite his promise that he wouldn't and take out a good chunk of the Republican vote.
Trump has proven time and time again that he is extremely petty and flip-flops more than a fish on land. If he doesn't get the nomination I wouldn't be shocked at all if he decided to take down the entire GOP with him in an act of revenge.
gutter_trash
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Cruz loses the working class ''Reagan'' Democrats that Trump is stealing, Donald has been stepping economically in the middle attracting them.
Cruz is too radically Far-Right to the extreme to steal any white low edu working class Democrat
Cruz even does worse among Women voters than Trump.
Donald is talking about being competitive in the GE in NY, NJ, PA and OH. While Ted Cruz yells out against New York City Values.
Cruz is easier to defeat
Calamari41
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Trump would definitely go third party or at least hype his supporters up into staying home, because the only way he doesn't get the nomination is due to smoke filled room shenanigans.
How many Sanders supporters would go out and enthusiastically vote for Hillary if Sanders entered the convention with a large plurality of delegates and didn't end up getting the nomination? (Pretend there's a third Dem contender who keeps there from being a straight majority) Now imagine that half of Sanders' platform is "fuck the Democratic Party establishment and leave their corpses hanging in the sun as a warning to others" in the first place.
ebullientprism
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gutter_trash
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Lights and Waves
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Slay.
Black Republican
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heheh
You're not giving Trump his due... You're also underestimating the new voters he's bringing to the polls, combined with the (putting this lightly) lukewarm emotions that Hillary elicits.
It will not be an easy election.
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Whats funny is that the right would probably take that news and say it means trump is converting die hard democrats
It goes both way, Trump will bring both the supporters and protesters to the polls.
JHoNNy1OoO
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About to head out to vote for Hillary down here in Florida. Can't wait to see Rubio drop out of the race tonight.
Hopefully everything goes well for fellow Florida voters. I early voted last week, so it will be interesting to see the results. Grandparents in Ohio voted for Hillary today, and I know a few friends who are going out to vote Sanders shortly.
Voting season is always invigorating, even if the results can be depressing.
Voting season is always invigorating, even if the results can be depressing.
Calamari41
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It will probably be most entertaining to watch Fox News in the event that Trump squeaks one out in Ohio. That would all but guarantee him the nomination, and the meltdowns will be 2012-esque.
The Lamonster
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A noble, yet misguided effort.
SolarPowered
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Enabling a guy like him is no good whether we're talking primaries or the GE.
gutter_trash
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a) the Right is divided
b) many Republicans will sit home
c) WOMEN, WOMEN, WOMEN
d) Minorities
helloresolven
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Repugnant behavior.
gutter_trash
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Operation Chaos! I applaud it
Lord_Byron28
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Absolutely no one from that side is good and they are all appealing to the same crowd that Trump does. May as well go with the most divisive and hated one over the other politicians.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Am I a horrible person that I want to see Rubio cry on live TV?
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Because voting for another candidate would be incorrect?
SolarPowered
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I just can't vote for Trump regardless. I know the others are actually worse on the down low, but that's still not a good enough excuse to actually give him a vote in my opinion. Any democrats voting for him must have a lot of confidence in their candidate or they just don't care which democrat makes it to the GE. I don't know how else to explain so many switching parties just to give Trump a bump in votes.
Orbis Tabula
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I mean, is it that weird to frame it like that? Most voters think that their candidate is the correct one to vote for. That's why they vote for them!
I'd facepalm if I didn't think it would cause me to hit myself so hard I'd knock myself out.
Not a Republican, but voted Kasich in the Republican primary (MO). I'll vote Democrat in general, but can't take the risk of Trump or Cruz winning, so figured my vote matters more on the R side.
I know Kasich isn't great, but he's still way better than Cruz or Trump.
Kasich/Rubio have no shot of winning outright, but if they can steal enough delegates (especially with a Kasich win in Ohio), I'm hoping they can force a brokered convention, where neither Trump nor Cruz gets the nom. So, I hope they don't quit the race.
I know Kasich isn't great, but he's still way better than Cruz or Trump.
Kasich/Rubio have no shot of winning outright, but if they can steal enough delegates (especially with a Kasich win in Ohio), I'm hoping they can force a brokered convention, where neither Trump nor Cruz gets the nom. So, I hope they don't quit the race.
That is not the place to do it. Fools.
Calamari41
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I echo the sentiment that this isn't the right place or time to do that. If Trump takes Ohio today, the primary is essentially over and he will have an extra couple of months to consolidate the party behind him and plow toward the general election. He will never be favored to beat Hillary, but that scenario improves his chances.
Um... you do know Missouri is winner-take-all on the Republican side, right (per district and state wide)? Kasich was polling dead last at 8% in the only poll this month.
I guess Kasich might have a chance if you live in a metro area at winning a congressional district (maybe?), but I doubt it.
For me this is a question of downside risk.
Both Cruz and Trump seem obviously to be unelectable thanks to their extreme positions and general craziness.
Cruz combines those qualities with having an otherwise normal political career in which he voted to shut down the government a bunch. I really can't envision a way that Cruz could ever win. But because he's mostly a normal politician he probably can't lose that badly, either. Lots of people will just swallow their pride and vote Cruz in the end.
Trump is a little bit more of a wildcard. I think that Trump could lose like 45 states. But because he's a total unknown, there's always the lingering fear that America is way more full of white nationalists than I thought or something like that.
Basically, would you rather have a 100% chance of winning, or a 99% chance of winning by a huge amount and a 1% chance of losing?
Do you not want to see a brokered convention?
I'm all for doing what ever it takes to inflict the maximum amount of damage on the Republican Party but Kasich needs to win Ohio to do that.
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