20 Years LttP: Twin Peaks

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I saw that on first airing, and I think it was during the break between seasons. TP fever was at its highest.

The rest of the episode was good, too.
 
Finished the entire series today.
The whole thing could have ended after Leeland dies and Bob promises to kill again. That would have been a better ending. After that the whole thing just goes downhill. You lose respect for good characters, completely pointless storylines appear, and the main arc disappears, and is replaced by Windem Earl which surmounts to nothing.
 
I just saw the "big reveal".

I actually had it spoiled for me, but it was still super surprising. When Leland looked into the mirror and you see the other man, I actually got scared. That shit was unexpected, and I'm still surprised that Leland was the killer.
Now it's supposed to be bad, right? Season 1 was some of the best television I've ever watched. Season 2 started a bit rough, but the last few episodes have been every bit as good as Season 1. The scene before (in the bar) and as Maddy is being killed is one of the best scenes of the entire show. As soon as the music starts and you see a bunch of people you know in one place, it got really ominous. Really fantastic scene.
 
Fantastical said:
I just saw the "big reveal".

I actually had it spoiled for me, but it was still super surprising. When Leland looked into the mirror and you see the other man, I actually got scared. That shit was unexpected, and I'm still surprised that Leland was the killer.
Now it's supposed to be bad, right? Season 1 was some of the best television I've ever watched. Season 2 started a bit rough, but the last few episodes have been every bit as good as Season 1. The scene before (in the bar) and as Maddy is being killed is one of the best scenes of the entire show. As soon as the music starts and you see a bunch of people you know in one place, it got really ominous. Really fantastic scene.
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Nah, you still have a few great episodes coming. And keep watching, even when the bad ones start. It's worth it in the end.

But you can skip the awful episode directed by Diane Keaton if you want to. And you'll want to.
 
I finished the series yesterday and wow.

Season 2 is a serious dip in quality, and honestly I didn't feel the
Windom Earle
plot much. The
Black Lodge
part, though, was completely amazing and so is the ending shot. Easily among the best I've ever seen in a TV show.

I haven't seen Fire Walk With Me yet, but I know it doesn't add much to the ending. Which is too bad, I would have appreciated an epilogue episode to bring more closure to the series. Still not enough to ruin what I consider a fantastic ending, though.
 
derFeef said:
Ohh I am sorry. It will be in german at least, though.
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No problem. I used to love Arte because they used to broadcast everything subbed. Now, I cringe whenever I stumble upon the channel during a movie (Woody Allen dubbed in French ? not a pretty sight!).

I only watch it for German and German speaking stuff (which is still great).

I can vouch the French VA of Twin Peaks will make you want to smash your head against concrete just to ease the pain.
 
The more I think about the ending, the more disappointed I get. The first arc is absolutely amazing. I wish the series ended right there with the episode where
Leland is revealed and dies and Bob promises to kill again. Instead we get a ton more episodes that start factoring in Windem Earl, UFOs, the black and white lodge, all of which surmount to nothing in the end. Literally, nothing. All that happens is Cooper loses one of the qualities which make his character great, and he is possessed by Bob. Which doesn't entirely make sense because earlier in the series there is a comment that Leland mistakenly "let Bob in". So Cooper let Bob in too? Cooper was trusting, or fearful? Dumb. The midget also comments that he'd see Cooper again in 25 years, which is also backed up by his dream when he is old. So what the hell does that infer? That Cooper is free from Bob eventually? They kept adding new elements that I felt wouldn't be as good as the first arc, but would surmount to something and be interesting but in the end, all Windum Earl wanted to do was stab Cooper and then Cooper becomes possessed by Bob for no reason other than a "surprising" ending. Lame.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
The more I think about the ending, the more disappointed I get. The first arc is absolutely amazing. I wish the series ended right there with the episode where
Leland is revealed and dies and Bob promises to kill again. Instead we get a ton more episodes that start factoring in Windem Earl, UFOs, the black and white lodge, all of which surmount to nothing in the end. Literally, nothing. All that happens is Cooper loses one of the qualities which make his character great, and he is possessed by Bob. Which doesn't entirely make sense because earlier in the series there is a comment that Leland mistakenly "let Bob in". So Cooper let Bob in too? Cooper was trusting, or fearful? Dumb. The midget also comments that he'd see Cooper again in 25 years, which is also backed up by his dream when he is old. So what the hell does that infer? That Cooper is free from Bob eventually? They kept adding new elements that I felt wouldn't be as good as the first arc, but would surmount to something and be interesting but in the end, all Windum Earl wanted to do was stab Cooper and then Cooper becomes possessed by Bob for no reason other than a "surprising" ending. Lame.
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Your disappointment may lie in the wrong place, the killer was never supposed to be revealed. They were forced to kill the goose that laid the golden egg effectively by revealing the killer when they did. And as for the ending - watch the film or think about the whole
Black Lodge sequence again and what actually happens.
There's not a lot to be disappointed by in that last episode, the only thing that's disappointing is how the heart of the show was ripped out and the consequent dip in quality before the last episode.
 
EliCash said:
Your disappointment may lie in the wrong place, the killer was never supposed to be revealed. They were forced to kill the goose that laid the golden egg effectively by revealing the killer when they did. And as for the ending - watch the film or think about the whole
Black Lodge sequence again and what actually happens.
There's not a lot to be disappointed by in that last episode, the only thing that's disappointing is how the heart of the show was ripped out and the consequent dip in quality before the last episode.
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I didn't expect Bob to be completely explained, but the whole thing just has to many loose ends. Like, why does the Black Lodge exist? What does the White Lodge have to do with anything? Where did the Lodges come from? Where did Bob come from? Why is this all tied into space, UFO's and Project Bluebook? Why did Earl want to find the Black Lodge? As it pans out it's just because he's an insane, pointless character who thought he was going to gain power that doesn't exist by finding it.

Not to mention all the bad side stories in between the end of the "major" arc and the final episode. They all wrap up in odd, pointless ways.
Audrey, Pete, and Andrew get pointlessly blown up by Eckhardt. Maybe Andrew being blown up would make sense but not Audrey and Pete as well in context of their characters. Josie's body only weighed 65 pounds, and her face was last shown in a dresser, which is never explained. What Major Briggs knows, where he disappears to and why Laura's mom comes and talks to him at the end isn't explained. Donna pointlessly finds out that Ben Horn is her real father. James character just disappears (Which actually isn't that bad of a thing since he got annoying). Nadine just goes back to normal.
Half of these are "WTF" storylines and the ending or lack thereof on them creates even more WTFs. Like, WTF were the writers thinking and where were they going with all this.
 
Night_Trekker said:
Nah, you still have a few great episodes coming. And keep watching, even when the bad ones start. It's worth it in the end.

But you can skip the awful episode directed by Diane Keaton if you want to. And you'll want to.
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Yeah, I have no intentions of stopping. Want to see this ending everyone is talking about.
 
Anyone here see the alternate ending to the pilot? I'm pretty sure it only aired in Europe or something like that. Basically I believe they closed the plot to make it more of a self-contained movie.

My boss was telling me about it when he leant me the DVDs last year.
 
Also one of the things that I liked about Cooper's character the entire series was that he seemed "above" all this. He had the self discipline and intelligence to stay on top of everything.
But by the ending, he basically fails and for no explicable reason. That I can make sense of at least. It also seems to be quite a character inconsistency that he trusted his instincts and the visions he saw the entire series, but toward the end when the giant was on stage obviously telling him not to let Annie enter the Miss Twin Peaks contest, he didn't listen.

Can someone clarify anything here? What am I missing? Also, what did
Laura mean when she said she'll see him again in 25 years? And the midget when he said next time you see me, it won't be me?
 
ToyMachine228 said:
Also one of the things that I liked about Cooper's character the entire series was that he seemed "above" all this. He had the self discipline and intelligence to stay on top of everything.
But by the ending, he basically fails and for no explicable reason. That I can make sense of at least. It also seems to be quite a character inconsistency that he trusted his instincts and the visions he saw the entire series, but toward the end when the giant was on stage obviously telling him not to let Annie enter the Miss Twin Peaks contest, he didn't listen.

Can someone clarify anything here? What am I missing? Also, what did
Laura mean when she said she'll see him again in 25 years? And the midget when he said next time you see me, it won't be me?
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The "evil" in the town came from the black lodge and it corrupts people to varying degrees. Cooper is not perfect-- he stole windom earle's wife, which drove Earle mad, so in a way, Cooper is partially responsible. On top of that, there are lots of smaller hints that evil seems to follow Cooper wherever he goes. If you watch the series again, you won't trust Cooper nearly as much and you'll notice his flaws more. I mean, he walks right into the Black Lodge, which is where he got infected with Bob. It's kind of a dark denouement and makes me think part of the point of the series is that everyone is capable of being corrupted by evil.

as for those last lines, here are some Fire Walk With Me spoilers:
Time flows strangely in the Black Lodge. it's not linear, which is why he can be old in there one minute and young the next. Time also moves very quickly, which is why he's so still in there and talking in slow motion. At the end of FWWM, Cooper frees Laura from the Black Lodge...I think this is the next time they see each other after the scene where she says this. As for the midget, I forget what the hell that meant, but I think it's also referencing something in FWWM.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
Also, what did
Laura mean when she said she'll see him again in 25 years? And the midget when he said next time you see me, it won't be me?
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He meant that the next time Cooper sees him in The Black Lodge, in the other room, it wouldn't be him. And it wasn't, that's when the "Doppelgänger" aspect is introduced. After that, any character in the Lodge with blank eyes are the doppelgängers of those characters. "Abstractions" of the characters if you'd rather. Dale's doppelgänger escapes the Lodge with Bob, good Coop is still stuck there.

Also everything you mentioned about the final episode with regards to what happened to some of the characters not making sense, keep in mind that this is just "an" ending to the show. The show would've continued in a perfect world, well in a perfect world it would've continued with the mystery of who killed Laura Palmer still going. David Lynch had to tie up some stories that were already far down dodgy paths.
 
Question concerning the finale and ending to FWWM:

When the old man/giant gives Cooper the coffee and says "one and the same" is he implying that the Black and White Lodges as well as the physical realm (Earth) exist as one, but in different forms? Hence the liquid "damn good coffee" being the white lodge, the solid being "the real world", and then the horrifying sludge as the black lodge? If that's the case, that would explain why Laura's reflection appears in the "damn good coffee" during the credits of the finale.

Also, despite the fact that the killer's identity was rushed we at least got a very good episode out of it.
 
Just got into the
Super Nadine filler episodes along with some other random stuff
and man, it's only made the show weirder than ever. I can't say I'm bored by any of it, because it's just so damn STRANGE.
 
ZephyrFate said:
WTF WTF WTF @
Josie's soul getting stuck in a doorknob

this show is the strangest shit ever
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Even I thought that was going a little too far, and I will go to great lengths to indulge Lynch's strangeness. Maybe if the CG hadn't been so terrible.

RadioHeadAche said:
Question concerning the finale and ending to FWWM:

When the old man/giant gives Cooper the coffee and says "one and the same" is he implying that the Black and White Lodges as well as the physical realm (Earth) exist as one, but in different forms? Hence the liquid "damn good coffee" being the white lodge, the solid being "the real world", and then the horrifying sludge as the black lodge? If that's the case, that would explain why Laura's reflection appears in the "damn good coffee" during the credits of the finale.
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I don't claim to have "the answers" to much in TP, but that all makes a lot of sense to me.

Also, despite the fact that the killer's identity was rushed we at least got a very good episode out of it.
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Agreed.
 
Zekes! said:
Shitty cellphone picture:

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now wrap her in plastic!
 
I'm just 2 episodes away from finishing the series in less than a week's time.


The cinematography, acting, camera work from the first few episodes are straight out of a highy quality movie & not a TV show.
At first, I thought if it inspired the X-Files that it could be decent, but (the 1st arc) pretty much shits on the X-Files.

Can't believe this was all in 1990.
 
See You Next Wednesday said:
I'm just 2 episodes away from finishing the series in less than a week's time.


The cinematography, acting, camera work from the first few episodes are straight out of a highy quality movie & not a TV show.
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In regards to the acting, it feels like i am watching one of the most melodramatic soap operas possible. I cant stop laughing during the episodes.

See You Next Wednesday said:
At first, I thought if it inspired the X-Files that it could be decent, but (the 1st arc) pretty much shits on the X-Files.

Can't believe this was all in 1990.
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Show is of a completely different tone when it comes to its main story arc and doesnt seem serious in the slightest. Hard to compare that to the X-Files which is still remarkably strong as a serious drama.

If this show was intended to have "serious" drama i think it is far more horrible than it actually is. Im fairly certain they were going for this bizarre 'so bad its good' type of deal.
 
Nope, they definitely weren't going for so bad it's good. And it definitely uses soapy elements, but the characters are still well developed and can get plenty of emotion out of me.
 
Smision said:
The "evil" in the town came from the black lodge and it corrupts people to varying degrees. Cooper is not perfect-- he stole windom earle's wife, which drove Earle mad, so in a way, Cooper is partially responsible. On top of that, there are lots of smaller hints that evil seems to follow Cooper wherever he goes. If you watch the series again, you won't trust Cooper nearly as much and you'll notice his flaws more. I mean, he walks right into the Black Lodge, which is where he got infected with Bob. It's kind of a dark denouement and makes me think part of the point of the series is that everyone is capable of being corrupted by evil.

as for those last lines, here are some Fire Walk With Me spoilers:
Time flows strangely in the Black Lodge. it's not linear, which is why he can be old in there one minute and young the next. Time also moves very quickly, which is why he's so still in there and talking in slow motion. At the end of FWWM, Cooper frees Laura from the Black Lodge...I think this is the next time they see each other after the scene where she says this. As for the midget, I forget what the hell that meant, but I think it's also referencing something in FWWM.
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Nah Windom was already mad.
The crime his wife witnessed was commited by him remember?
 
Watched it a while ago and was disappointed a lot. Certainly not a great series, it just had too much boring filler material to keep me interested. The characters grow on you throughout the first season, but the series doesn't provide much for them afterwards. It's like the writers just didn't know what to use them for and thus dragged every subplot out. Cooper was a delight to watch at first, but was heavily underused after the first few episodes and not really interesting when he actually got some screen time, most of which was dedicated to Ben Horne anyway (for whatever strange reason). The sawmill subplot was completely cheesy and soap opera-y (though I found it funny that Catherine's actress has the most generic American soap opera face ever), and totally redundant if it weren't for the
Tojamura twist (which I didn't see coming at all!)
. The weird dream and other supernatural stuff wears off pretty quickly and is more annoying than entertaining. Last episode is
really predictable with the bomb in the bank and Cooper becoming evil
.

But the most annoying thing was the music. It's not that the score is bad or anything, it just feels like there is not a single damn scene without music, and it's mostly the first few cues of "Laura Palmer's Theme", played over and over and over again.

That said, I appreciate the quirkiness early-on and the way they introduce characters. Also, I adore them for this scene, which is the most frightening I've ever seen on television. Really gives me goosebumps although live-action horror doesn't get to me.
 
big ander said:
Nope, they definitely weren't going for so bad it's good. And it definitely uses soapy elements, but the characters are still well developed and can get plenty of emotion out of me.
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No doubt the characters are great and it is a highly entertaining show, but i cannot imagine the production crew thinking what they were making was a serious drama. The fact that they push the emotion and drama so much
(god damn if another person cries im gonna lose it)
and couple it with such humor tells me they were going for something very bizarre.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
No doubt the characters are great and it is a highly entertaining show, but i cannot imagine the production crew thinking what they were making was a serious drama. The fact that they push the emotion and drama so much
(god damn if another person cries im gonna lose it)
and couple it with such humor tells me they were going for something very bizarre.
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Didn't the fact it was David Lynch give it away?
 
RobotNinjaHornets said:
Didn't the fact it was David Lynch give it away?
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No, not at all. Eraserhead might as well have been a biography. Fuck man, Lost Highway was like the past 5 years of my life.
 
Prime Blue said:
But the most annoying thing was the music. It's not that the score is bad or anything, it just feels like there is not a single damn scene without music, and it's mostly the first few cues of "Laura Palmer's Theme", played over and over and over again.
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the soundtrack is so good. I agree that it's repetitive in the show, but i'll be damned if I don't love throwing on the record about once a week.


~Kinggi~ said:
No doubt the characters are great and it is a highly entertaining show, but i cannot imagine the production crew thinking what they were making was a serious drama. The fact that they push the emotion and drama so much
(god damn if another person cries im gonna lose it)
and couple it with such humor tells me they were going for something very bizarre.
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thisisdavidlynchdude.gif

everything he's done has this quality, from his low budget stuff to Mulholland Dr. Only Lost Highway and Inland Empire come off as deadly serious.

I love it. Turns a fairly ordinary looking guy like Frank Booth in Blue Velvet and turns him into one of the most menacing and disturbing villains I've seen in a movie.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
No, not at all. Eraserhead might as well have been a biography. Fuck man, Lost Highway was like the past 5 years of my life.
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disregard my above post.

Pete (same actor) is a grown up version of eraserhead in Twin Peaks (to me.)

If you watch Wild At Heart, Mulholland Dr., and Blue Velvet, you'll see what we mean. and you should watch those post haste :)
 
Smision said:
disregard my above post.

Pete (same actor) is a grown up version of eraserhead in Twin Peaks (to me.)

If you watch Wild At Heart, Mulholland Dr., and Blue Velvet, you'll see what we mean. and you should watch those post haste :)
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Already have! In my original post 'bizarre' probably wasnt the right word i was going for. More like 'silly' or something.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
Already have! In my original post 'bizarre' probably wasnt the right word i was going for. More like 'silly' or something.
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yeah, this show does border on silly a lot. but if i'm a fanboy of anything it's david lynch, so I give it a lot of passes, personally.
 
Smision said:
yeah, this show does border on silly a lot. but if i'm a fanboy of anything it's david lynch, so I give it a lot of passes, personally.
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Hey i can watching the dancing little man on loop with some mood lighting for ages.
 
Smision said:
yeah, this show does border on silly a lot. but if i'm a fanboy of anything it's david lynch, so I give it a lot of passes, personally.
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You make it sound like its silliness is a bad thing.
 
Speaking of the finale, does anyone know the name of the song that plays during the "red room" scenes? It's not that jazzy song the man from another world dances to, nor is it sycamore trees.
 
How's Annie? How's Annie? How's Annie?

I think the last 20 minutes were more interesting than most of the show combined. I think if it had been MORE bizarre rather than slowly building up to a cavalcade of bizarre, David Lynch would have had a winner.
 
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