20 Years LttP: Twin Peaks

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ZephyrFate said:
Who's Annie? Who's Annie? Who's Annie?

I think the last 20 minutes were more interesting than most of the show combined. I think if it had been MORE bizarre rather than slowly building up to a cavalcade of bizarre, David Lynch would have had a winner.
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But then it would've lacked that punch. There's a lot to be said for the restraint that Lynch showed with it, and how powerfully it builds to that climax.
 
ZephyrFate said:
Who's Annie? Who's Annie? Who's Annie?

I think the last 20 minutes were more interesting than most of the show combined. I think if it had been MORE bizarre rather than slowly building up to a cavalcade of bizarre, David Lynch would have had a winner.
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I think you mean
How's Annie?
 
InsertNameHere said:
This is damn fine thread.
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Wife and I watched it all through in a matter of days. There's a new 'definitive Twin Peaks DVD set' and if you want to scratch the game itch, get Deadly Premonition (X360, not sure if on PS3). It pretty much IS Twin Peaks the game, right down to coffee references, names of characters a Log lady tribute and many other nods. Shocked that no legal cases occurred over it.

There is *nothing* else that comes close to this show and I've seen nothing like it since. Such a shame. I really hope Lynch and the other guy do a 'spiritual sequel' to this some point soon.

Also - Trivia: The writers of How I met Your Mother are big Twin Peaks fans. Robin's dad is played by Ray Wise, and 'The Captain' was played by Kyle Maclaughlan. Some of the young actors are pretty much unrecognisable nowadays.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
The more I think about the ending, the more disappointed I get. The first arc is absolutely amazing. I wish the series ended right there with the episode where
Leland is revealed and dies and Bob promises to kill again. Instead we get a ton more episodes that start factoring in Windem Earl, UFOs, the black and white lodge, all of which surmount to nothing in the end. Literally, nothing. All that happens is Cooper loses one of the qualities which make his character great, and he is possessed by Bob. Which doesn't entirely make sense because earlier in the series there is a comment that Leland mistakenly "let Bob in". So Cooper let Bob in too? Cooper was trusting, or fearful? Dumb. The midget also comments that he'd see Cooper again in 25 years, which is also backed up by his dream when he is old. So what the hell does that infer? That Cooper is free from Bob eventually? They kept adding new elements that I felt wouldn't be as good as the first arc, but would surmount to something and be interesting but in the end, all Windum Earl wanted to do was stab Cooper and then Cooper becomes possessed by Bob for no reason other than a "surprising" ending. Lame.
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You missed the point. Lynch is a transcendental meditator and believes very much in the two emotion theory of 'all emotions are either representations of love or fear'. At the end, Cooper is scared in the Lodge. It's not the Black Lodge, it's both. The giant and midget give him a clue that the Black and White Lodge are the same. Cooper gets driven by fear, as he's scared he'll lose his girl. When Windham says he'll take Cooper's soul in exchange for the girl, Cooper is scared and believes him. The shit gets crazier and Cooper is set in fear and Bob takes him. The Lodge is the Black Lodge. Cooper does not turn it into the White Lodge as he never allows himself to be driven by love. He leaves, with Bob. The end.

Not the best arrangement of what goes on, but I'm tired and drunk. Also, Fire Walk With Me is dark as fuck. It does give you the full story leading to Laura's death (and Keifer Sutherland is in it as an FBI guy), and I'm glad I saw it, but it's pretty difficult to watch.
 
boutrosinit said:
Wife and I watched it all through in a matter of days. There's a new 'definitive Twin Peaks DVD set' and if you want to scratch the game itch, get Deadly Premonition (X360, not sure if on PS3). It pretty much IS Twin Peaks the game, right down to coffee references, names of characters a Log lady tribute and many other nods. Shocked that no legal cases occurred over it.
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There is a PS3 version. It's called Red Seeds Profile, but it's only available in Japan and other parts of Asia. I own it and it's pretty import friendly as long as you don't mind using a guide for most if not all the side-quests.
 
I got my UK copy of Deadly Premonition the other day, but I haven't played it yet. Told myself I'd play the game when I'm done with the Alan Wake DLC, something I was supposed to do while the package was en route, but it's been weeks since I've touched my X360. :/
 
Finished the series yesterday, wow what a ride. Kinda sad that I won't be hearing that theme anymore.
That 6 or so episodes in S2 were pretty bad. But, I kinda enjoyed the super Nadine plotline. I found it hilarious. I also liked Leo being vegetable and Bobby and Shelly having to take care of him. The James subplot was the worst, so friggin' pointless. And he just disappears after that. The Little Nicky plot was absolutely brutal, there were times I wanted to fast forward right through them. I don't think I would've minded that stretch too much had the characters not stopped being themselves. Cooper wasn't Cooper anymore during those episodes.

I really liked Windem. The guy was absolutely insane. Like everyone said, the last 20 mins was definitely intense. The "see you in 25 years" line, what was Laura talking about? From Season 1, Cooper has a dream where he's older, in the black lodge and with Laura. Was she talking about that? Was Lynch thinking about doing a season or some episodes that would be take place in 25 years in the future? Anyway, I know the S2 ending wasn't planned as a series ending but it doesn't feel incomplete. It kinda works. Though I would've liked to see what Lynch had in mind for S3.
 
tycoonheart said:
Finished the series yesterday, wow what a ride. Kinda sad that I won't be hearing that theme anymore.
That 6 or so episodes in S2 were pretty bad. But, I kinda enjoyed the super Norma plotline. I found it hilarious. I also liked Leo being vegetable and Bobby and Shelly having to take care of him. The James subplot was the worst, so friggin' pointless. And he just disappears after that. The Little Nicky plot was absolutely brutal, there were times I wanted to fast forward right through them. I don't think I would've minded that stretch too much had the characters not stopped being themselves. Cooper wasn't Cooper anymore during those episodes.

I really liked Windem. The guy was absolutely insane. Like everyone said, the last 20 mins was definitely intense. The "see you in 25 years" line, what was Laura talking about? From Season 1, Cooper has a dream where he's older, in the black lodge and with Laura. Was she talking about that? Was Lynch thinking about doing a season or some episodes that would be take place in 25 years in the future? Anyway, I know the S2 ending wasn't planned as a series ending but it doesn't feel incomplete. It kinda works. Though I would've liked to see what Lynch had in mind for S3.
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Would be so cool if it does happen.

When exactly will it be 25 years from the end of the ep?
 
The music and drama in this thing is hilarious. I just started watching a few days ago, but have only seen the first two episodes. Good stuff, but it's funny as hell.

edit: LOL @ that funeral scene WOW
 
I got idea man
You take me for a walk
Under the sycamore trees
The dark trees that blow baby
In the dark trees that blow
And I'll see you
And you'll see me
And I'll see you in the branches that blow
In the breeze,
I'll see you in the trees
Under the sycamore trees
 
I'm glad I watched it but I absolutely despise the fact that didn't continue. It definitely scratched my "I like weird, dark shit" itch and I think I "got" most of it, but damn it, it could have kept going.
 
So without reading any online discussion or theories, am I right to assume that
the entire thing was about duality, as influenced by the Black and White Lodge? Like Nadine's amnesia making her a different person, Leland and Cooper's BOB influence, Ben Horn losing it and thinking he's fighting in the Civil War, Madeline being a virtual doppelganger of Laura Palmer, Leo Johnson's change after being shot, Windom's suddenly scary-looking "black" appearance to Leo, Sheriff Truman having a serious personality downfall after Josie's death to the point of yelling at Cooper, etc.?

Am I way off here? Right when I started watching, even the name of the show started making me think about alternate realities, duality, etc.
 
I enjoyed Deadly Premonition, but only with a guide. I'm going to check out Alan Wake soon. Are there anymore movies, shows, books or games Twin Peakseque?
 
The coolest way for them to announce the third season would be to just release a short clip of the
short man from the Black Lodge
saying "the show you like is coming back in style"
 
brandonh83 said:
So without reading any online discussion or theories, am I right to assume that
the entire thing was about duality, as influenced by the Black and White Lodge? Like Nadine's amnesia making her a different person, Leland and Cooper's BOB influence, Ben Horn losing it and thinking he's fighting in the Civil War, Madeline being a virtual doppelganger of Laura Palmer, Leo Johnson's change after being shot, Windom's suddenly scary-looking "black" appearance to Leo, Sheriff Truman having a serious personality downfall after Josie's death to the point of yelling at Cooper, etc.?

Am I way off here? Right when I started watching, even the name of the show started making me think about alternate realities, duality, etc.
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I only got that
Cooper is the new Bob & he will be killing a lot of people in secret with his FBI credentials
 
See You Next Wednesday said:
I only got that
Cooper is the new Bob & he will be killing a lot of people in secret with his FBI credentials
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I dunno. Maybe I'm just trying to find a way to justify what would otherwise be absolutely pointless subplots.
 
brandonh83 said:
The coolest way for them to announce the third season would be to just release a short clip of the
short man from the Black Lodge
saying "the show you like is coming back in style"
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It should be a tracking shot, starting with
red curtains parting, revealing the patterned floor. Camera pushes through curtain, music starts and the camera movement over the tile pattern strobes the screen. Camera stops when it comes upon two small shoes. Lighting starts to strobe as we tilt up, revealing the little guy. He says his line. Cut to black/release date.

Man can dream.
 
Count Dookkake said:
It should be a tracking shot, starting with
red curtains parting, revealing the patterned floor. Camera pushes through curtain, music starts and the camera movement over the tile pattern strobes the screen. Camera stops when it comes upon two small shoes. Lighting starts to strobe as we tilt up, revealing the little guy. He says his line. Cut to black/release date.

Man can dream.
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/frothing at the mouth

I seriously wish someone would do it. I actually think it would be somewhat successful and they could probably get the old actors back. This would be a dream. They have the old actors mostly still alive and able, they have plenty of story they could work with.... ugghghhhhh
 
Wait a second,
The Doppelganger version of people ISN'T the Bob-Possessed version of people? You can be a Doppelganger and not end up in our world with Bob looking back at you in the mirror??
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Wait a second,
The Doppelganger version of people ISN'T the Bob-Possessed version of people? You can be a Doppelganger and not end up in our world with Bob looking back at you in the mirror??
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I'd say so, personally...
BOB probably isn't the only avatar for the evil in the woods. I just can't figure out why they would spend so much time having so many characters end up, whether briefly or permanently, in a different kind of mental state. Literally most of the entire show was about characters becoming something different in a variety of ways.

Again I may just be looking for a way to justify all those in-depth subplots that, without that connection or something similar, would be supremely pointless and nothing but a waste of time.

But I don't think it's coincidence.
 
brandonh83 said:
I'd say so, personally...
BOB probably isn't the only avatar for the evil in the woods. I just can't figure out why they would spend so much time having so many characters end up, whether briefly or permanently, in a different kind of mental state. Literally most of the entire show was about characters becoming something different in a variety of ways.
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I think it's kind of a stretch to ascribe any thematics to anything non-Lodge related. So much of pretty much every other storyline was total and abject filler, nothing to do with the core of the series. That includes Horne, the Mill, everything.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I think it's kind of a stretch to ascribe any thematics to anything non-Lodge related. So much of pretty much every other storyline was total and abject filler, nothing to do with the core of the series. That includes Horne, the Mill, everything.
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If true, that kind of sucks then. I think the worst offenders were Lucy, Dick Tremane, and Nicky. I don't know, I'd like to think that most things had a purpose, but you're probably right.
 
brandonh83 said:
If true, that kind of sucks then. I think the worst offenders were Lucy, Dick Tremane, and Nicky. I don't know, I'd like to think that most things had a purpose, but you're probably right.
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I'm sure there was care put into their execution, but it always felt so disconnected with the core of the series; Cooper, the Lodge, etc.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I'm sure there was care put into their execution, but it always felt so disconnected with the core of the series; Cooper, the Lodge, etc.
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I agree. I didn't mind so much any of the James/Donna/Maddie stuff because of their relationship with Laura and their attempts to help crack the murder, but mostly everything else outside of Cooper felt like such a waste of time.
 
brandonh83 said:
If true, that kind of sucks then. I think the worst offenders were Lucy, Dick Tremane, and Nicky. I don't know, I'd like to think that most things had a purpose, but you're probably right.
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Not Little Nicky!!!

Nah, some of those subplots had really funny endings for them like the Mayors brothers wedding.
 
I re-watched Fire Walk with Me with a friend last night, and he picked up on something I didn't even notice on my previous viewing. Before I continue, don't bother reading further unless you've finished both the movie and series.

I never made the connection that "the man from another world" inhabits one-armed Mike in the same way Bob inhabits Leland, and later Cooper. I always thought of them as two separate entities (man from another world and Mike), but it makes so much sense. Actually, I feel like a fool because the movie heavily implies that twice. I think I was over-analyzing things to the point where the most obvious facts go right over me. How did I not see that sooner?
 
RadioHeadAche said:
I re-watched Fire Walk with Me with a friend last night, and he picked up on something I didn't even notice on my previous viewing. Before I continue, don't bother reading further unless you've finished both the movie and series.

I never made the connection that "the man from another world" inhabits one-armed Mike in the same way Bob inhabits Leland, and later Cooper. I always thought of them as two separate entities (man from another world and Mike), but it makes so much sense. Actually, I feel like a fool because the movie heavily implies that twice. I think I was over-analyzing things to the point where the most obvious facts go right over me. How did I not see that sooner?
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Since you just explained a connection I had never seen, you're more than forgiven !
 
brandonh83 said:
I'd say so, personally...
BOB probably isn't the only avatar for the evil in the woods. I just can't figure out why they would spend so much time having so many characters end up, whether briefly or permanently, in a different kind of mental state. Literally most of the entire show was about characters becoming something different in a variety of ways.
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I'm still trying to figure out
what the connection with all the UFO shit is. Also, the thing that took Major Briggs in the woods was some sort of dark hooded figure. Definitely not Bob. So you're right that there are either other avatars, or it was a plot line that never got finished because they show was being ended.

Also, I just thought of this, who is the figure hiding behind a tree with Leo in that scene where Bobby and his friend go to talk to Leo in the woods in Season 1? Was it one of those french brothers? I can't remember.
 
Just watched the pilot. How in the hell did I miss this!? It's got the same vibe as Mullholland Drive (is that even the same music with the synth??) Excellent characters, writing, and pure Lynch direction.

My skin is actually crawling now. That image used of the girl's face is haunting. Will be watching more later. This old thread is what reminded me to start watching :)

(also, very much reminds me of Silent Hill: Shattered Memories so far)
 
I really don't see the connection to Shattered Memories, but if you enjoyed the pilot you should enjoy the rest of the series. Season one is fantastic as well as two up until the Laura Palmer case is resolved. After that, you have a rather disappointing decline in quality until the finale which may or may not make you hate that decline even more.

Regardless, it's a great series and I hope you enjoy the rest. Also, I'm glad to see this thread bumped.
 
Just finished watching the series for the first time about a month ago. Just an incredible show that leaves you wanting more. I was really, really upset when I learned that it had gotten canceled after 2 seasons.
 
Need Deadly Premonition for PS3, blargh.

Or borrow my friend's 360 (that I sold him)... hm, yes.

JasoNsider said:
Just watched the pilot. How in the hell did I miss this!? It's got the same vibe as Mullholland Drive (is that even the same music with the synth??) Excellent characters, writing, and pure Lynch direction.

My skin is actually crawling now. That image used of the girl's face is haunting. Will be watching more later. This old thread is what reminded me to start watching :)

(also, very much reminds me of Silent Hill: Shattered Memories so far)
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That's Angelo Badalamenti writing the music for both, he collaborates with Lynch often. Amazing guy, his music really sets the mood and is a huge important part of what makes the show what it is.

Don't know if this video has been posted, but it should have:
Angelo talking about how he wrote some of the music.
 
RadioHeadAche said:
I really don't see the connection to Shattered Memories, but if you enjoyed the pilot you should enjoy the rest of the series. Season one is fantastic as well as two up until the Laura Palmer case is resolved. After that, you have a rather disappointing decline in quality until the finale which may or may not make you hate that decline even more.

Regardless, it's a great series and I hope you enjoy the rest. Also, I'm glad to see this thread bumped.
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I actually can't put my finger on it. It's probably from the part of Shattered Memories where you begin to learn about your daughter's performance in school, getting in trouble, etc. Not all was rosy and you're sort of digging this up one bit at a time.

Gotta watch more of this.

That's Angelo Badalamenti writing the music for both, he collaborates with Lynch often.
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Ah, that makes sense! Good to know. I love his work, it's incredibly understated and moody.
 
another newcomer here.

Actually, I started watching the series about 6 years ago- but my interest trailed off. Picked it back up as soon as it hit Netflix and I'm glad I did. Awesome show.

I have about 9 episodes left of S2- and although many of the subplots at this point are dragging along, I can't help but to be pushed forward by the overall charm of the show.


and Ray Wise deserves big time accolades for his role as Leland Palmer. Christ... he's definitely one of the most (entertainingly) unbalanced people I've ever seen in a TV show. Breaking out in song and dance, albeit tragic, just got me smiling every time. The show really took a down-turn (Season 2 spoiler)
when he died
.

Can't wait to see how it ends- and, of course, Fire Walk With Me.
 
TheJollyCorner said:
and Ray Wise deserves big time accolades for his role as Leland Palmer. Christ... he's definitely one of the most (entertainingly) unbalanced people I've ever seen in a TV show. Breaking out in song and dance, albeit tragic, just got me smiling every time. The show really took a down-turn (Season 2 spoiler)
when he died
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Yes it did. I hope you enjoy Fire Walk with Me. It's different in tone from the show, but still very good.
 
brandonh83 said:
Just finished it... what the fuck.
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This should be on the box, lol.

It was a great ride but the ending left me stunned. I am left wondering if Lynch even knew wtf was going on or if it was just crazy weird for its own sake. Since I made a conscious effort to avoid anything TP, I was hoping that it planned to be only two seasons.
 
Fantastic set photos from the series:
http://inthetreesartpreview.blogspot.com/

Sample:

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I'm just about done with the series and after that I'm going to watch the movie and the Psych episode again (I didn't understand it the first time I saw it because I had yet to view this show. It helped spark an interest in this show though).

After all that I'll post my impressions in here. I was planning on posting a new thread, but I'm not sure it's alright to post your own LTTP when there's a recent one.
 
Finished up Season 2 yesterday along with the Prequel Movie.

Definitely one of the best tv shows ever. That last shot in Season 2 - I wanted more :(

After watching the movie it had me thinking how would Twin Peaks do today on a network like HBO or Showtime with Nudity and Swearing.
 
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