2010/11 NBA Dec |OT| of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7lMXXaUaIo PEACE

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mckmas8808 said:
You hate too much. Did you see the team Magic, Jordan, and Bird have?
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They didn't jump ship to another stars team though, that's the difference, though unlike most of non heat gaf i don't really have a beef with Lebron.
 
Sharp said:
I don't think the championships Bird won are a terribly enormous part of his legacy either, but the mere fact that he did not abandon his team to acquire them means they're worth something.
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Really? If Bird had no rings he would be a Barkley level HoFer

Always brought later in the conversation about greats..
 
Sharp said:
:lol Come on son, are you really comparing a constructed team with three top 20 players in the game with Jordan, an underdeveloped version of Pippen, and Paxson?
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Underdeveloped version of Pippen? What does that even mean? Pippen was a great player for the whole 6 championship run.


giga said:
Bird? He won’t even reach Pippen.
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It's too hard to really compare Lebron to either Pippen or Bird imo. He's just so different. Pippen had better defense than Lebron, but he could never score like Bron Bron.
 
Lebron, Wade, and Bosh bring the pain again and destroy another playoff contending team on their own court. NBAGAF, of course, has to try to make excuses. 7 games and counting.

u mad?
 
Darkman M said:
They didn't jump ship to another stars team though, that's the difference, though unlike most of non heat gaf i don't really have a beef with Lebron.
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FA wasn't the same back in the day tho... I don't defend LBJ for leaving but teams weren't cashing out like they are now
 
Darkman M said:
They didn't jump ship to another stars team though, that's the difference, though unlike most of non heat gaf i don't really have a beef with Lebron.
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Again Bird didn't need to. If Lebron would have went to the Celtics when he first started playing at had Paul Pierce on his team, do you think he would have left them?
 
thekad said:
Lebron, Wade, and Bosh bring the pain again and destroy another playoff contending team on their own court. NBAGAF, of course, has to try to make excuses. 7 games and counting.

u mad?
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You don't even try anymore.

You're like the Chris Mihm of NBA-age now.
 
mckmas8808 said:
It's too hard to really compare Lebron to either Pippen or Bird imo. He's just so different. Pippen had better defense than Lebron, but he could never score like Bron Bron.
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Don't flatter LBJ's game too much.. Pip could score with LBJ. LBJ is better but not by a lot. If he learned to post up then yeah I might agree with that
 
Blackace said:
FA wasn't the same back in the day tho... I don't defend LBJ for leaving but teams weren't cashing out like they are now
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I have no problem with what Lebron did, he was a FA and wanted to play with his friend wade and have a better shot at a ring, my point is legacy wise people will always use that against him no matter what he does from here out.
 
Blackace said:
Really? If Bird had no rings he would be a Barkley level HoFer

Always brought later in the conversation about greats..
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Barkley is underrated as hell because of the era he played in. Either way, if Bird hadn't won those rings, who would you rate higher than him at SF? Havlicek?
 
mckmas8808 said:
It's too hard to really compare Lebron to either Pippen or Bird imo. He's just so different. Pippen had better defense than Lebron, but he could never score like Bron Bron.
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It’s hard to steam roll your way into the FT line.
 
Sharp said:
Barkley is underrated as hell because of the era he played in. Either way, if Bird hadn't won those rings, who would you rate higher than him at PF? Havlicek?
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Who would I have rated higher than Bird at SF if he didn't win those rings? Who knows... I am sure the teams with SFs that won rings would get more love..

Barkley is underrated because he put up insane numbers and has zero rings.. Bottomline..
 
Darkman M said:
I have no problem with what Lebron did, he was a FA and wanted to play with his friend wade and have a better shot at a ring, my point is legacy wise people will always use that against him no matter what he does from here out.
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Well if he wins a title or more I think people will look past the whole he played with Wade stuff. At the end of the day every champion played with another All-Star. Lebron wouldn't be any different and the history shows that.

giga said:
It’s hard to steam roll your way into the FT line.
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I hope guys like you realize that he does more than just steam roll to the paint and score. But of course I wouldn't expect everybody to realize that.
 
Lakers lost? I didn't even know they were playing.


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mckmas8808 said:
Well if he wins a title or more I think people will look past the whole he played with Wade stuff. At the end of the day every champion played with another All-Star. Lebron wouldn't be any different and the history shows that.



I hope guys like you realize that he does more than just steam roll to the paint and score. But of course I wouldn't expect everybody to realize that.
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There can only be one Alpha Wade or Bron, who you got?
 
Who the fuck is Dominic McGuire and why is he getting so many shots?
mckmas8808 said:
I hope guys like you realize that he does more than just steam roll to the paint and score. But of course I wouldn't expect everybody to realize that.
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Says the guy who thinks that Mike Brown's firing was a bad idea...
 
Since people like to bring up the '08 Celtics here, I have a question for y'all. Which of them gets the majority of the credit for their rings: Allen, Garnett, or Pierce? The ring still matters but its effect is severely diluted. Same will be true of Heat rings.
 
Sharp said:
Since people like to bring up the '08 Celtics here, I have a question for y'all. Which of them gets the majority of the credit for their rings: Allen, Garnett, or Pierce? The ring still matters but its effect is severely diluted. Same will be true of Heat rings.
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Garnett.
 
mckmas8808 said:
I hope guys like you realize that he does more than just steam roll to the paint and score. But of course I wouldn't expect everybody to realize that.
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His entire game? No? It’s a significant aspect of it though. Any team who’s faced him in the 4th can tell you that.

dlio


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Sharp said:
Since people like to bring up the '08 Celtics here, I have a question for y'all. Which of them gets the majority of the credit for their rings: Allen, Garnett, or Pierce? The ring still matters but its effect is severely diluted. Same will be true of Heat rings.
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Garnett was probably the MVP of that team so I'd give it to him, but you are right they are much closer to the Pistons title winners than the "one/two man shows" of most other champs.

To find a comparison to the Heat should they win a title, look no further than last year's Yankees. A-Rod finally got his ring, but does the media really treat him any different? Does he get worshipped as an all time great because of his incredible stats and numbers? No. All that changed is people don't throw the "no ring!" thing in his face anymore but the title doesn't seem to mean as much because he won it on someone else's team (Jeter/Wade).
 
Sharp said:
Since people like to bring up the '08 Celtics here, I have a question for y'all. Which of them gets the majority of the credit for their rings: Allen, Garnett, or Pierce? The ring still matters but its effect is severely diluted. Same will be true of Heat rings.
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Really? Diluted? Three aging players brought together by legit trades? It was PP's team.. And everyone played their role.. With KG it wouldn't have been possible but PP was the Alpha of that team that year
 
DY_nasty said:
Who the fuck is Dominic McGuire and why is he getting so many shots?
Says the guy who thinks that Mike Brown's firing was a bad idea...
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I didn't say Mike Brown's firing was a bad idea. I think Gilbert handled it wrong. I didn't like the fact that he fired him so fast. I looked like he was trying to appease Lebron.

Sharp said:
Since people like to bring up the '08 Celtics here, I have a question for y'all. Which of them gets the majority of the credit for their rings: Allen, Garnett, or Pierce? The ring still matters but its effect is severely diluted. Same will be true of Heat rings.
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The ring isn't diluted at all. Why do fans say crazy stuff like this? If the 08 Celtics ring is diluted then did any of Red Aubach's rings count that he won in the 60s?
 
MiamiWesker said:
I know that my opinion on lebron now means nothing just cause I am a heat fan. Still how is the notion that Lebron might be better than Bird at some point a crazy idea. Yes Bird is one of the greatest of all time, top 10 for sure. You guys think Lebron won't end up as one of the top 10 greatest players of all time? Statistically his numbers will be insane if he plays a full career. And yes he has to win rings, lots of them and I think he will get them.

Right now of course it's insulting to Bird to say Lebron is better, that isn't what they are saying. I really don't see it as crazy that Lebron ends up one of the very all time greats. But what do I know I am a Heat fan.
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Bird>>>Barry>>>>>>>>>>>>>LeBroad.
 
Blackace said:
Really? Diluted? Three aging players brought together by legit trades? It was PP's team.. And everyone played their role.. With KG it wouldn't have been possible but PP was the Alpha of that team that year
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Why do people even care if players are brought together by a GM or if they do it themselves? Seems so stupid to me to even care. Is this the slave mentality that Jason Whitlock was talking about?

Ninja Scooter said:
Garnett was probably the MVP of that team so I'd give it to him, but you are right they are much closer to the Pistons title winners than the "one/two man shows" of most other champs.
To find a comparison to the Heat should they win a title, look no further than last year's Yankees. A-Rod finally got his ring, but does the media really treat him any different? Does he get worshipped as an all time great because of his incredible stats and numbers? No. All that changed is people don't throw the "no ring!" thing in his face anymore but the title doesn't seem to mean as much because he won it on someone else's team (Jeter/Wade).
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A-Rod isn't getting that love because he did steroids. Had he not juiced he would be getting all the love.
 
Blackace said:
Really? Diluted? Three aging players brought together by legit trades? It was PP's team.. And everyone played their role.. With KG it wouldn't have been possible but PP was the Alpha of that team that year
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We have people in this thread who think it was really KG's ring and people who think it was really PP's (and a lot more considering that he got the Finals MVP). Ultimately, they won a ring, but it was a lot more important for the Celtics as a franchise than for any of them individually. That is my point.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Why do people even care if players are brought together by a GM or if they do it themselves? Seems so stupid to me to even care. Is this the slave mentality that Jason Whitlock was talking about?



A-Rod isn't getting that love because he did steroids. Had he not juiced he would be getting all the love.
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Pretty sure Arod was getting hate in NY before the steroid thing.
 
I don't think the baseball analogy is a good one because baseball isn't like basketball. In baseball no one judges you on how many championships your teams have won, because it's generally understood that no one player has enough influence to win a team a championship on his own.
 
mckmas8808 said:
A-Rod isn't getting that love because he did steroids. Had he not juiced he would be getting all the love.
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lol like he was beloved before the steroids? He was already being hated on for being an egomaniac who had to jump to someone else's team to try and win a title because he couldn't do it alone. Sound familiar? Even Yankee fans didn't like him.
 
Sharp said:
We have people in this thread who think it was really KG's ring and people who think it was really PP's (and a lot more considering that he got the Finals MVP). Ultimately, they won a ring, but it was a lot more important for the Celtics as a franchise than for any of them individually. That is my point.
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Please when you tam about great centers of the 90s Ewing gets shafted why is that?

For a player like KG getting the chip was the thing that made him one of the greatest PF to play.. Now he will be remember with Magic and Bird not Barkley and Ewing,.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
lol like he was beloved before the steroids? He was already being hated on for being an egomaniac who had to jump to someone else's team to try and win a title because he couldn't do it alone. Sound familiar? Even Yankee fans didn't like him.
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I was just happy to see ARod finally submit to his superior(Jeter). Nomar washed out of the league so he wasn't an issue.
 
Sharp said:
We have people in this thread who think it was really KG's ring and people who think it was really PP's (and a lot more considering that he got the Finals MVP). Ultimately, they won a ring, but it was a lot more important for the Celtics as a franchise than for any of them individually. That is my point.
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Are you kidding me? That title was more important to them individually being that it was all their first championship ever as a pro. The Celtics already won like 15 before that.

Darkman M said:
Pretty sure Arod was getting hate in NY before the steroid thing.
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Yeah because he sucked in the playoffs early as a Yankee.
 
People who didn't win rings like Barkley, Ewing, Malone, etc. are generally underated, sure, but had they won even one ring they would instantly have been in the discussion with the greats. I don't think that will be the case with LeBron, and to be honest I'm not sure it's happened for Garnett either (though I could be going against the zeitgeist on that one).
 
charsace said:
I was just happy to see ARod finally submit to his superior(Jeter). Nomar washed out of the league so he wasn't an issue.
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ARod still making more money though right?
 
Sharp said:
People who didn't win rings like Barkley, Ewing, Malone, etc. are generally underated, sure, but had they won even one ring they would instantly have been in the discussion with the greats. I don't think that will be the case with LeBron, and to be honest I'm not sure it's happened for Garnett either (though I could be going against the zeitgeist on that one).
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If KG retires this year, which he might, his numbers would look very Barkley like.. So.. Yeah..
 
Blackace said:
Please when you tam about great centers of the 90s Ewing gets shafted why is that?

For a player like KG getting the chip was the thing that made him one of the greatest PF to play.. Now he will be remember with Magic and Bird not Barkley and Ewing,.
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Ewing gets shafted because his team played better without him.
 
Blackace said:
Really? Diluted? Three aging players brought together by legit trades? It was PP's team.. And everyone played their role.. With KG it wouldn't have been possible but PP was the Alpha of that team that year
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Depends on how you define "alpha." KG was the leader, the voice, the heart of that team, and the defensive anchor. Pierce was their offensive force. KG was still The Man, though. That was his team, even if he didn't take the last shot. It's why the combination of those three players was so intelligent; they complemented each other.
 
Blackace said:
If KG retires this year, which he might, his numbers would look very Barkley like.. So.. Yeah..
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I get what you are saying, but it doesn't help your argument that KG is a better player than Barkley ever was with or without the rings.
 
Also, rose is ridiculous.

So clutch.

And now that he's hitting 3's ? (shooting about .37 for the season, respectable).

Also, start korver.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
I get what you are saying, but it doesn't help your argument that KG is a better player than Barkley ever was with or without the rings.
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76ers Barkely was a better player than KG...sorry
 
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