The Frankman
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Nuggets should trade Carmelo to Detroit or Charlotte for lulz. Detroit/Larry brown reunification!
2010/11 NBA Dec |OT| of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7lMXXaUaIo PEACE
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The Frankman said:
Because he's only playing 10mins a night. At most. And even with the melo trade THIS year, you're not winning it all, just pushing as far as you can, to build the team chemistry. This off season, you get to build your bench and move guys around. Most chip winning teams, aren't 10 deep like the suns last year. They're maybe 7 deep, like the lakers/celtics that won the last 3 chips.
I think a deep bench is useful, if you have it. And it will certainly at times win you games you wouldn't other wise, and more so in the regular season. But as long as you can get a top 4 seed, you'll live.
That is, as long as your starters at all spots are decent enough to start in the first place. Miami hurts because their backup C is also trash, and so is their backup PG.
The problem I have with the "Carmelo to NY" trade talks is that the Knicks are unwilling to provide the best package for him. All of the other offers that the Nuggets have received thus far are more appealing, imo.captmcblack said:
The Frankman
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I get what you're saying, but the whole bench is trash + Turiaf is a starter in name only. In reality he's the Knicks defensive energy guy, he can't last playing 30 minutes every night. One onw of the reasons the Knicks are so effective is that Amar'e is surrounded by shooters/slashers at all times. Chandler/Douglas off the bench + Williams/Walker can play spot minutes.
How much flow would an eventual Moz/Amar'e/Williams/Mason/Rautins
lol :lol :lol :lol ) lineup have? I'm not saying don't trade for Melo, just not trade 6 guys for him.
How much flow would an eventual Moz/Amar'e/Williams/Mason/Rautins
lol :lol :lol :lol ) lineup have? I'm not saying don't trade for Melo, just not trade 6 guys for him.Because Melo seems to be trying to control negotiations to go to NY. Why should the Knicks offer a higher package if they think they can sign him outright anyway?reilo said:
Justin Timberlake
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I'd love for Melo to stay with the Nuggs until the trade deadline. They'll probably scrape to the 8th seed, leading to one of the easiest 1st round matchups of the decade.
tyguy20204
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Bogut is a game-time decision with one his migraines. That stinks.
Spurs might get let off easy.
Spurs might get let off easy.
The Frankman said:
Not as much as media outlets say. The same ones that had LBJ to NY as a lock. Melo's only confirmed statement is that he wants out of Denver, and that he isn't opossed to NY.
If the knicks don't trade for him, your chances of retaining him decrease, a lot. If the nets trade for him (and they're putting together a mighty nice package 3 or 4 first round picks in the one draft? and in that, melo gets no choice), and then go on a tear, with prokorhov as the owner providing big sources of cash meaning they'll re-sign talent and not be adverse to spending, Lopez there, Humphries finally playing decently, Harris not being completely horrible, he may just decide that he'll sign the extension there for 86M or what ever it is, and not have the worry of the newCBA.
DY_nasty said:
Yeah, the big thing with rolled ankles like that, is that every time you do it, you're much more likely to do it again, as you keep re-tearing the same tendons/muscles. And sooner or later it leads to big amounts of time off. It takes something like 3 - 6 months off, for it to FULLY heal. Curry really could miss serious time this year if he keeps doing that every 5 games.
captmcblack
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reilo said:
But it doesn't matter who else provided better offers, because Carmelo will not sign an extension with them - therefore, those trades will not happen because those better offers are contingent on Carmelo extending his contract.
Again, the options are as follows:
- the Nuggets can hold onto Carmelo indefinitely/until June 30th and he goes wherever (probably the Knicks) in free agency; the Knicks get themselves under the cap to acquire him.
- the Nuggets could move Carmelo against his will to any other team they want just to spite the Knicks, and leave the Knicks to hope that he still really wants to sign with them.
- another team is happy to give up better players/picks than the Knicks offer knowing full well that the Anthony acquisition is only a rental
- the Knicks get Carmelo Anthony, via trade from the Nuggets, sign-and-trade in the FA period
- the Knicks don't get Carmelo, and are left with a good team and a lot of money
That's all there is.
Justin Timberlake
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captmcblack
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giri said:
See: "this is a game of chicken"
I am well aware this isn't a lock.
I am also confident that Carmelo to NY is much more likely than the 2 years of collusion that resulted in LBJ's South Beach sojourn.
Carmelo is standing defiantly in the face of potentially getting less money as a function of a new CBA. We will see what happens. No player under contract could themselves say anything about not playing for the team they're contracted for, so I'm not going to wait for him to make any personal "ultimatums" because he literally cannot do so. That said, whatever things we do know or have evidence of - as much as we reasonably can have without being agents/FO people in the league/players in the league/Anthony himself - seems to lean more towards Carmelo ending up here.
It's a risk. The Knicks are taking it. Hopefully, Anthony will too.
captmcblack said:
Except in a game of chicken, if the nets trade for him, i really don't see the knicks winning.
It's not game over for you guys, you get rid of currys expiring, and free up some cash to sign some people. But to really compete for a chip, you need melo (or a talent on his level).
He should've sat out for a month after he rolled it the first time. Props to the guy for trying to play through it, but this is exactly how guys end up screwed.giri said:
History tells us that 9 times out of 10 guys are going to take the money. Melo is playing a great game, but with the CBA change coming up... I don't see him just throwing money away like that.captmcblack said:
captmcblack
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giri said:
Is this because you believe Carmelo's want of money > Carmelo's want of winning?
He isn't going to win more by joining a Nets team in Newark that needs to trade draft picks and 1/2 of Harris/Favors/Lopez to land him. He will secure his financial future, though...assuming that the CBA is definitely totally deleterious to max contracts and max players.
[EDIT: as for "taking the money", I just saw someone bypass that in MLB *yesterday* to go where they wanted to go. In addition, I saw people lessen their money to facilitate the new Big 3 in Miami just this FA period. It's not impossible!]
The Frankman
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This the same Nets who had a better FO offseason than the Knicks and have a much better record/are closer to competing for the playoffs? Knicks are fucked...giri said:
Dropping a few million and an extra year is one thing.captmcblack said:
The new CBA that Stern and the owners want is trying to drop player salaries by nearly half.
You think Lee is going to take that same deal if its only 50 million and 3 years with a team option for the 4th?
The Frankman
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In reality nothing has changed since the season started. Nets can offer Denver a more attractive package, Knicks are Carmelo's preferred destination.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...eal-rivalry-between-knicks-and-nets-1.2544024
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baske...eal-rivalry-between-knicks-and-nets-1.2544024
The Frankman
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I like the LOLcats sig:
captmcblack said:
The nets aren't that far off winning. And all of the trades/signings they made last year weren't block busters, but they were for the most part, good value. So they didn't win, but they didn't lose either. If harris could stay healthy, they'd probably have another 4 wins.
The knicks, before they can totally trash people, need to come through this tough stretch, above .500 before they can say that they can allure FA's by being a "winning team". The nets have a SOS of .514 (11th toughest) the knicks have one of .413 (2nd easiest). So it's not as easy as comparing records just yet.
My reason for saying that melo, if traded to NJ is more likely to stay there, is because it offers him as many positives as the knicks do, plus they'd be able to offer him the full extension. Not the new CBA rates, what ever they might be.
ryutaro's mama
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Damn.
Local radio here in LA says that Sasha and Farmar hated each other when they played together on the Lakers--now they are reunited.
I smell sitcom!
Local radio here in LA says that Sasha and Farmar hated each other when they played together on the Lakers--now they are reunited.
I smell sitcom!
The Frankman
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Maybe it's because Sasha is such a biggetty-biggetty-bitch?
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Robin Lopez evidently back for the Suns tonight.
But that doesn't matter because Rambis will find some way to turn the tide in this one. Will Wes barely play again? Will Jonny get benched so Ridnour can continue to play like trash? Find out soon!
But that doesn't matter because Rambis will find some way to turn the tide in this one. Will Wes barely play again? Will Jonny get benched so Ridnour can continue to play like trash? Find out soon!
The Frankman
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I bet you Sasha was scared Farmar would sex up his girlfriend.giri said:
Games of the night:
Tier 1 (must watch):
Celtics @ Knicks -- Watch to see both the Knicks' and STAT's streak snapped amidst millions of sweet, sweet New York tears.
Tier 2 (should be good):
Lakers @ Pacers -- The Lakers began their road trip with two victories against subpar teams. Bynum looked rusty in his return, and the Pacers are actually good, so this should be a competitive matchup.
Clippers @ Sixers -- The two most underrated teams in the league.
Rockets @ Thunder -- I think this will be a pretty competitive matchup, even though the Rox almost lost to Sacramento the other day.
Blazers @ Mavericks -- Brandon Roy may be dead and Branduil may be dying, but that doesn't mean this won't be a good game.
Tier 3 (tune in if it's close):
Bucks @ Spurs -- The Bucks already dealt with the Mavs, can they pull off the upset again? (A: On a back-to-back? Hell no).
Bobcats @ Grizzlies - The Grizzlies are in that lower tier of okay teams that can be frustrated by Bobcats shameball.
Timberwolves @ Suns -- Both play at an extremely fast pace so the game should at least be entertaining even if it's a blowout.
Tier 4 (for fans of the teams only):
Bulls @ Raptors -- The Bulls are good and the Raptors are bad.
Cavaliers @ Heat -- Now that the initial allure of this matchup has worn off there is no reason to watch this except for GIF purposes.
Kings @ Hornets -- Try as I might to hype up the Pooh Jeter vs. CP3 matchup, I just can't.
Tier 1 (must watch):
Celtics @ Knicks -- Watch to see both the Knicks' and STAT's streak snapped amidst millions of sweet, sweet New York tears.
Tier 2 (should be good):
Lakers @ Pacers -- The Lakers began their road trip with two victories against subpar teams. Bynum looked rusty in his return, and the Pacers are actually good, so this should be a competitive matchup.
Clippers @ Sixers -- The two most underrated teams in the league.
Rockets @ Thunder -- I think this will be a pretty competitive matchup, even though the Rox almost lost to Sacramento the other day.
Blazers @ Mavericks -- Brandon Roy may be dead and Branduil may be dying, but that doesn't mean this won't be a good game.
Tier 3 (tune in if it's close):
Bucks @ Spurs -- The Bucks already dealt with the Mavs, can they pull off the upset again? (A: On a back-to-back? Hell no).
Bobcats @ Grizzlies - The Grizzlies are in that lower tier of okay teams that can be frustrated by Bobcats shameball.
Timberwolves @ Suns -- Both play at an extremely fast pace so the game should at least be entertaining even if it's a blowout.
Tier 4 (for fans of the teams only):
Bulls @ Raptors -- The Bulls are good and the Raptors are bad.
Cavaliers @ Heat -- Now that the initial allure of this matchup has worn off there is no reason to watch this except for GIF purposes.
Kings @ Hornets -- Try as I might to hype up the Pooh Jeter vs. CP3 matchup, I just can't.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Keep Martell on the bench even though he's our best option at 2. Need that depth.reilo said:
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Exactly. Brewer is trash and shouldn't be in the rotation with Webster back.giri said:
I'd run a short rotation. Flynn/Webster/Beasley/Love/Darko with Wes as 6th man and the only guy that gets meaningful minutes of the bench. I'd also give Tolliver and Pekovic some run and demote Ridnour to ballboy, but that's it. Those other guys don't need to play.
The Frankman
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oh Sharp you are setting yourself up for such a bad night.
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