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[reilo]

Because Lebron was a way better passer, defender, and 3 point shooter than Wilkins that's why.

Wilkins career three-point percentage: 32%
Lebron career three-point percentage: 33%

Oh, the horror.

And how many assist did Wilkins have?

Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing who the BETTER SCORER WAS. Maybe I misread it?

He isn't even as good of a scorer as Wilkins or King...

NOPE. I sure fucking didn't.

 

[mckmas8808]

Another great contribution to the thread.

mckmas8808, you are on a roll.

Tell us more about how dreamy LeBron is.

Tell us how much you hate him

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Toronto Raptors:

FTM-A
5-14
35.7%



This is real. This is an actual thing that happened today. Like that's after the whole game.

 

[Sharp]

Toronto Raptors:

FTM-A
5-14
35.7%



This is real. This is an actual thing that happened today. Like that's after the whole game.

I was about to say something like "that's almost Raptor-bad." Then I was like oh.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Tell us how much you hate him

How can I hate a guy that has 'Chosen 1" tattooed on his back, yet runs and and joins another superstar's team?

Or calls himself the "King" but has never won a Finals game let alone a chip?

LeBron is a walking punchline.

I love him.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

How can I hate a guy that has 'Chosen 1" tattooed on his back, yet runs and and joins another superstar's team?

Or calls himself the "King" but has never won a Finals game let alone a chip?

LeBron is a walking punchline.

I love him.

Its like he's the G.W. Bush of basketball.

 

[The Chosen One]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=wallace_michael&page=arenas-101227



I wish I could get paid 120 million dollars to feel like the world ended.

I was getting ready to post this too. Rashard on suicide watch confirmed.

But yeah I don't feel too bad for him when he didn't come close to living up to his bloated contract. Once he got the 120 mil contract, his game came to a standstill and then regressed. Then again, it was the Magic who were stupid enough to give him all that money in the first place.

 

[DY_nasty]

I was getting ready to post this too. Rashard on suicide watch confirmed.

But yeah I don't feel too bad for him when he didn't come close to living up to his bloated contract. Once he got the 120 mil contract, his game came to a standstill and then regressed. Then again, it was the Magic who were stupid enough to give him all that money in the first place.

That signing made everyone forget about Isiah, if only for a moment.

 

[mckmas8808]

Wilkins career three-point percentage: 32%
Lebron career three-point percentage: 33%

Oh, the horror.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing who the BETTER SCORER WAS. Maybe I misread it?

NOPE. I sure fucking didn't.

1.) Lebron has averaged 118 made 3 pointers a season, while Wilkins best year he made 120. His 2nd best year Wilkins made 112. Everything after that is under 100 made 3s. And that's in his 15 year career. Lebron already has 100 more 3 pointers in his career in half the games. It's just that clear Reilo

2.) My assist comments are more directed at the guy that stated the Cavs would have been basically the same team if Wilkins played on it when comparing him to Lebron.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

The Raptors made 5 FTs against the Grizz.

Winslow High's Kelsea Bouchard hit 7 to lead her team to victory against the Nokomis High girls' team in Maine.

At what point does an NBA team owe its fans money?

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

1.) Lebron has averaged 118 made 3 pointers a season, while Wilkins best year he made 120. His 2nd best year Wilkins made 112. Everything after that is under 100 made 3s. And that's in his 15 year career. Lebron already has 100 more 3 pointers in his career in half the games. It's just that clear Reilo

If you're shooting in the low 30s, maybe you should calm down with the long range bombs, no?

 

[charsace]

1.) Lebron has averaged 118 made 3 pointers a season, while Wilkins best year he made 120. His 2nd best year Wilkins made 112. Everything after that is under 100 made 3s. And that's in his 15 year career. Lebron already has 100 more 3 pointers in his career in half the games. It's just that clear Reilo

2.) My assist comments are more directed at the guy that stated the Cavs would have been basically the same team if Wilkins played on it when comparing him to Lebron.

You do understand that the game has changed to focus more on 3pt shooting right? Lebron hits that many 3's because he shoots that shot more than Wilkins. Wilkins was still a better scorer than Lebron who bulls his way to the basket and depends on calls to score his 20+ a night. Wilkins would put up 30+ a night easy with todays rules and the ability to travel every other time he touched the ball like Lebron does.

 

[Branduil]

I wish JJ Barea could shoot threes as well as Wilkins.

 

[Darkman M]

Being a slightly better three point shooter dosen't make you a better scorer, i don't remember to much about Wilkins other then him being a freak athlete so i can't add much to the conversation.

 

[The Chosen One]

Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing who the BETTER SCORER WAS. Maybe I misread it?

Oh come on. You know how it works with Lebron selective $tats.

Lebron is the best scorer among high school players with a receding hairline at the small forward position during the post-hand check era.

 

[Blackace]

You get a chance to check out Silas' debut?

Bobcats still can't get the Larry's old man smell out of the building, guys got exhausted, Tyrus was fucking stupid, and Detroit made one hell of a second half adjustment by slowing down the ball at half-court, but Silas did more for the Bobcats in a week than LB did since March.

Oakley gets to hit people in the face for each turnover they commit. JAX getting his gangsta tested as I type this.

The Bobcats roster is a mess... :/ don't know what kind of plan they have for next season but I see nothing that can help them outside of landing a super high lottery pick...

JAX is the one player on the Bobcats that Oakhouse might not slap.. Because might shoot him. If he is ballsy enough to be a black man busting caps in the air around white strippers in Indiana you might want to slap Boris twice and skip Jax

Silas is a stud coach is the talk about keeping him or what?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Lebron is the best scorer among high school players with a receding hairline at the small forward position during the post-hand check era.

When he chooses to be.

If he thinks we need spoiling.

 

[numble]

1.) Lebron has averaged 118 made 3 pointers a season, while Wilkins best year he made 120. His 2nd best year Wilkins made 112. Everything after that is under 100 made 3s. And that's in his 15 year career. Lebron already has 100 more 3 pointers in his career in half the games. It's just that clear Reilo

In 1982 (the year Wilkins entered the league), teams averaged 2.8 three point attempts per game. By 1993, when Wilkins was 34, teams still averaged under 10 three point attempts per game.

Last year, Lebron averaged over 5 three point attempts per game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

 

[pilonv1]

"That's crazy, because I had no idea what the word 'contraction' meant before I saw it on the Internet"

:lol :lol

And I thought the Oracle crowd chanting "MVP" at Monta during his FT's against the 76ers was funny.

 

[The Chosen One]

When he chooses to be.

If he thinks we need spoiling.

And when the refs respect his laws of verticality.

 

[mckmas8808]

If you're shooting in the low 30s, maybe you should calm down with the long range bombs, no?

Well he's shooting 37% this year so no. And shooting 33% is borderline okay. It's just okay enough to shoot 3s, but low enough to be reminded to not shoot too many.

You do understand that the game has changed to focus more on 3pt shooting right? Lebron hits that many 3's because he shoots that shot more than Wilkins. Wilkins was still a better scorer than Lebron who bulls his way to the basket and depends on calls to score his 20+ a night. Wilkins would put up 30+ a night easy with todays rules and the ability to travel every other time he touched the ball like Lebron does.

What you call 'bulls his way', I call 'drive to the lane'. What's different? If you're 6-8 and 255 pounds why shouldn't he use his size? And of course Lebron doesn't travel every time he touches the ball. :lol

 

[Blackace]

And how many assist did Wilkins have?

Wilkins had Spud Webb son!

And Wilkins was a better scorer bar none.. LBJ ppgs would be much lower if defenders could hand check him or look sternly in his direction without getting called for a foul..

I am shocked that they didn't tech up crowds for booing him..

 

[Blackace]

I wish JJ Barea could shoot threes as well as Wilkins.

I bet G Wilkins could still light it up

 

[The Chosen One]

Btw, LeNewton's first Law of Verticality:
A Lebron object in motion is not traveling, it's in continuation.

 

[mckmas8808]

Wilkins had Spud Webb son!

And Wilkins was a better scorer bar none.. LBJ ppgs would be much lower if defenders could hand check him or look sternly in his direction without getting called for a foul..

I am shocked that they didn't tech up crowds for booing him..

Can't count hand checking because obviously Lebron would know those rules exist and would have to change his game some. Slightly different eras so it's sorta stupid to compare the two anyway.

And Lebron's size would be a huge advantage to him against hand checkers of the 80s and 90s.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

Can't count hand checking because obviously Lebron would know those rules exist and would have to change his game some. Slightly different eras so it's sorta stupid to compare the two anyway.

And Lebron's size would be a huge advantage to him against hand checkers of the 80s and 90s.

When has Lebron ever changed his game?

 

[DY_nasty]

The Bobcats roster is a mess... :/ don't know what kind of plan they have for next season but I see nothing that can help them outside of landing a super high lottery pick...

JAX is the one player on the Bobcats that Oakhouse might not slap.. Because might shoot him. If he is ballsy enough to be a black man busting caps in the air around white strippers in Indiana you might want to slap Boris twice and skip Jax

Silas is a stud coach is the talk about keeping him or what?

Bobcats FO and MJ are short-sighted and a bit naive. MJ is still trying to hold on to his promise of going to the playoffs... Its still very possible of course (loleast), but I'd much rather the Jax/Kwame/Sherron/Some Guy - James Johnson/Taj Gibson/Brewer/Some Dude + our 1st and theirs go through.

Everything points to Silas having the job through the season if nothing else. However, his son is going to be the coach in waiting most likely and Nate McMillan will be targeted as HC if Portland doesn't renew his contract. Mike Woodson and Ewing were both mentioned as candidates before Silas got the job, and I'd imagine they'd still be in the running should Silas step down at the end of the season.

Its weird, Silas is already loved for simply not being Larry, but long-term... there'll be something set in stone by the end of January.

JAX was being a bitch all night long despite the fact that team was actually playing well. He doesn't like the new shit and it shows. LB would let him do whatever the hell he wanted and the old sets of "dribble in circles for a while then pass to JAXXXX - 2/17 great job" are out. JAX, if he has any value at all, will be gone if Wallace is physically able to finish the season...

 

[Blackace]

What you call 'bulls his way', I call 'drive to the lane'. What's different? If you're 6-8 and 255 pounds why shouldn't he use his size? And of course Lebron doesn't travel every time he touches the ball. :lol

Yeah 6'8" maybe closer to 270.. Going hard to the lane is what he does and he does it well. The issue is he causes contact a lot and it should be non calls most of the time and he does get bailed out way too often for how he starts contact...

The funny thing is when a player is so much more gifted than the rest of the players on the court the refs usually punish the gifted player.. Like AI when he came in the league was so fast that if they called all of the fouls on him the games would have been 4 hours long.. Shaq as well.. They allowed players to manhandle them

So it is sad to see LBJ get so much more help from the refs than he needs..

 

[Blackace]

Can't count hand checking because obviously Lebron would know those rules exist and would have to change his game some. Slightly different eras so it's sorta stupid to compare the two anyway.

And Lebron's size would be a huge advantage to him against hand checkers of the 80s and 90s.

What are you talking about can't count hand checking? When do you get to make the rules of discussion?

And actually his size wouldn't have helped him because he uses his size to go forward in the lane and hand checking would have really slow his attack down. He has zero post game so his size wouldn't help him at all..

 

[DY_nasty]

That is true... the moment Shaq lowered his shoulder it was an immediate offensive foul and if he established position just a little too fast the ball was going the other way. Dude would get absolutely hammered in the post. Most of the fouls Shaq got to simply prevent him from going up would be considered flagrant 2s now...

 

[numble]

Can't count hand checking because obviously Lebron would know those rules exist and would have to change his game some. Slightly different eras so it's sorta stupid to compare the two anyway.

And Lebron's size would be a huge advantage to him against hand checkers of the 80s and 90s.

Just like he uses his size in the post, right?
He also has not demonstrated the handles that would be useful against handcheckers.

Both those qualities are still very useful in the non-handcheck era, but he has not displayed either.

 

[Blackace]

Bobcats FO and MJ are short-sighted and a bit naive. MJ is still trying to hold on to his promise of going to the playoffs... Its still very possible of course (loleast), but I'd much rather the Jax/Kwame/Sherron/Some Guy - James Johnson/Taj Gibson/Brewer/Some Dude + our 1st and theirs go through.

Everything points to Silas having the job through the season if nothing else. However, his son is going to be the coach in waiting most likely and Nate McMillan will be targeted as HC if Portland doesn't renew his contract. Mike Woodson and Ewing were both mentioned as candidates before Silas got the job, and I'd imagine they'd still be in the running should Silas step down at the end of the season.

Its weird, Silas is already loved for simply not being Larry, but long-term... there'll be something set in stone by the end of January.

JAX was being a bitch all night long despite the fact that team was actually playing well. He doesn't like the new shit and it shows. LB would let him do whatever the hell he wanted and the old sets of "dribble in circles for a while then pass to JAXXXX - 2/17 great job" are out. JAX, if he has any value at all, will be gone if Wallace is physically able to finish the season...

Happy to see him back, but of course if Seattle got a team I would want him and his son there..

I think MJ should blow up the team now, and have a firesale to get picks and maybe one promising player.. Let Paul coach the youth and sign Pat Ewing so he can shit on him post career as well...

 

[mckmas8808]

Yeah 6'8" maybe closer to 270.. Going hard to the lane is what he does and he does it well. The issue is he causes contact a lot and it should be non calls most of the time and he does get bailed out way too often for how he starts contact...

The funny thing is when a player is so much more gifted than the rest of the players on the court the refs usually punish the gifted player.. Like AI when he came in the league was so fast that if they called all of the fouls on him the games would have been 4 hours long.. Shaq as well.. They allowed players to manhandle them

So it is sad to see LBJ get so much more help from the refs than he needs..

He doesn't get more help than say Kobe or Paul Pierce or hell D Wade. I think it's their style of play. Even Reggie soft ass Miller got too many foul calls.

I agree that AI and Shaq got fouled on basically every other play. I used to think the refs eat the whistle because it was a little harder to call the game for those 2 guys (being that one is so big and the other being so small).

 

[Blackace]

He doesn't get more help than say Kobe or Paul Pierce or hell D Wade. I think it's their style of play. Even Reggie soft ass Miller got too many foul calls.

I agree that AI and Shaq got fouled on basically every other play. I used to think the refs eat the whistle because it was a little harder to call the game for those 2 guys (being that one is so big and the other being so small).

Reggie Miller didn't get too many calls... Smh..

And it was AIs speed not his size

Both Kobe and PP get superstar calls like most superstars but neither of them lower their head and rush the lane like LBJ, if they didn't call fouls on the times he ran into to players his fts would be down quite a bit

 

[mckmas8808]

What are you talking about can't count hand checking? When do you get to make the rules of discussion?
And actually his size wouldn't have helped him because he uses his size to go forward in the lane and hand checking would have really slow his attack down. He has zero post game so his size wouldn't help him at all..

Because it's 2 different eras. It's too hard to try to figure out what would have happened if hand checking was still allowed.

Just like he uses his size in the post, right?
He also has not demonstrated the handles that would be useful against handcheckers.
Both those qualities are still very useful in the non-handcheck era, but he has not displayed either.

My point is if their was hand checking, he would have to adjust to that like everyone else. I agree that he needs a post game. Not a great one like Dirk, just something that he can go to every once in a while in order to throw defenses off and help spread the court.

Trust me 2 things that piss me off about Lebron on offense is his lack of post game and his non ability to shoot a running tear drop shot like Rondo or Tony Parker. If Lebron could do those two things he'd be the best player in the NBA. But hey I hope he works on those things next off season.

 

[mckmas8808]

Reggie Miller didn't get too many calls... Smh..

And it was AIs speed not his size

Both Kobe and PP get superstar calls like most superstars but neither of them lower their head and rush the lane like LBJ, if they didn't call fouls on the times he ran into to players his fts would be down quite a bit

Lebron gets called for charging ALL THE TIME too. Trust me I've beat the shit out of my sofa too many times to remember.

It does go the other way some times.

 

[charsace]

He doesn't get more help than say Kobe or Paul Pierce or hell D Wade. I think it's their style of play. Even Reggie soft ass Miller got too many foul calls.

I agree that AI and Shaq got fouled on basically every other play. I used to think the refs eat the whistle because it was a little harder to call the game for those 2 guys (being that one is so big and the other being so small).

Yes he does. You need to watch Lebron closer. He drops his shoulder on almost every drive and gets to the line anyways. And he travels/carries like crazy. half of the time that he freezes his man on perimeter is because he is doing something illegal. Lebron's effectiveness would go down if there was no foul circle, you could put your hands on him to funnel him and if he got reffed properly.

Lebron is not Jordan. He would be way less effective if guys could funnel him and force him to pull up for a short jumper right before running into a big. Jordan used to do it all day. I doubt Lebron could do it.

Lebron gets called for charging ALL THE TIME too. Trust me I've beat the shit out of my sofa too many times to remember.

It does go the other way some times.

You're lying to yourself. He might get called once for a charge for an entire game and then that's it. He seriously runs into the lane at full speed and drops his shoulder like a running back on every drive he takes when guys are standing in the lane.

 

[Branduil]

Lebron gets called for charging ALL THE TIME too.

 

[Blackace]

Because it's 2 different eras. It's too hard to try to figure out what would have happened if hand checking was still allowed.

not that hard to take an educated look and discuss about it..because players like Magic or Wilkins would have posted greater numbers in today's NBA.. Shit fat post aids magic was still schooling fools

My point is if their was hand checking, he would have to adjust to that like everyone else. I agree that he needs a post game. Not a great one like Dirk, just something that he can go to every once in a while in order to throw defenses off and help spread the court.

Trust me 2 things that piss me off about Lebron on offense is his lack of post game and his non ability to shoot a running tear drop shot like Rondo or Tony Parker. If Lebron could do those two things he'd be the best player in the NBA. But hey I hope he works on those things next off season.

No I know your basketball knowhow comes from 2K...

When have you ever heard anyone say...DAMN that Dirk is a beast in the post?

 

[Blackace]

:lol :lol :lol

 

[DY_nasty]

Lebron gets called for charging ALL THE TIME too. Trust me I've beat the shit out of my sofa too many times to remember.

It does go the other way some times.

....

 

[Branduil]

not that hard to take an educated look and discuss about it..because players like Magic or Wilkins would have posted greater numbers in today's NBA.. Shit fat post aids magic was still schooling fools




No I know your basketball knowhow comes from 2K...

When have you ever heard anyone say...DAMN that Dirk is a beast in the post?

LOL. Dirk's post-game is leagues beyond where it was a few years ago but he's not the first guy I would think of when I think of low-post greats.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yes he does. You need to watch Lebron closer. He drops his shoulder on almost every drive and gets to the line anyways. And he travels/carries like crazy. half of the time that he freezes his man on perimeter is because he is doing something illegal. Lebron's effectiveness would go down if there was no foul circle, you could put your hands on him to funnel him and if he got reffed properly.

Lebron is not Jordan. He would be way less effective if guys could funnel him and force him to pull up for a short jumper right before running into a big. Jordan used to do it all day. I doubt Lebron could do it.

You are allow to drop your shoulder for leverage. Obviously you can't run the defender over and he doesn't do that a lot. And who doesn't travel and carry in the NBA? You think Lebron is the only one that does it? Kevin Durant carries the ball every game and never gets called for it.

And it's hard for defenders to funnel him into a big for him to shoot a jumper like that, because he's really good and twisting his body and going a layup. He's really good and creating angles once he gets into the paint.

 

[Blackace]

You are allow to drop your shoulder for leverage. Obviously you can't run the defender over and he doesn't do that a lot. And who doesn't travel and carry in the NBA? You think Lebron is the only one that does it? Kevin Durant carries the ball every game and never gets called for it.

And it's hard for defenders to funnel him into a big for him to shoot a jumper like that, because he's really good and twisting his body and going a layup. He's really good and creating angles once he gets into the paint.

Uhh you can't drop your and create contact..

 

[Branduil]

You are allow to drop your shoulder for leverage. Obviously you can't run the defender over and he doesn't do that a lot.

 

[DY_nasty]

Dude makes peterb0y look like Hubie Brown...

 

[charsace]

....

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

And Lebron's "post game" is pathetic. He runs into guys with his shoulder and if he can knock them off balance just a little bit he spins into a back down and then tries to spin to his dribble hand. If Jordan was allowed to do this he could have played pg and would have been god.

 

[numble]

You are allow to drop your shoulder for leverage. Obviously you can't run the defender over and he doesn't do that a lot. And who doesn't travel and carry in the NBA? You think Lebron is the only one that does it? Kevin Durant carries the ball every game and never gets called for it.

And it's hard for defenders to funnel him into a big for him to shoot a jumper like that, because he's really good and twisting his body and going a layup. He's really good and creating angles once he gets into the paint.

He's talking about funneling him with hand-checking.

Also, where were you years ago when Dirk was making headlines about changing the way the game is played for bigs because of his perimeter focus?

 

[Blackace]

Dude makes peterb0y look like Larry Brown...

Fixed for Dy

 

[mckmas8808]

not that hard to take an educated look and discuss about it..because players like Magic or Wilkins would have posted greater numbers in today's NBA.. Shit fat post aids magic was still schooling fools
No I know your basketball knowhow comes from 2K...
When have you ever heard anyone say...DAMN that Dirk is a beast in the post?

Honestly you are underestimating his post game.

LOL. Dirk's post-game is leagues beyond where it was a few years ago but he's not the first guy I would think of when I think of low-post greats.

I'm not saying he has one of the best post games in the NBA. My point was he has a great post game given his shooting ability. He can take you inside with some post moves and then hit two 20 foot jumpers a couple minutes later.

If Lebron got half the post game that Dirk has he'd be alot better player.