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Windu said:
lol this photo is awesome

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It certainly was...two nights ago.
 
They include expanding flexibility for completing trades (such that player salaries traded only need to be within approximately 250 percent of each other), eliminating base-year compensation rules, increasing qualifying offers required to make a player a restricted free agent, shortening the time period a team has to match a restricted free agent's offer sheet, replacing the biannual exception with a second midlevel exception, and dropping the age limit back to 18.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70469/20101208/unions_cba_proposal_leaked/#ixzz17ZOShTsk

I haven't read the thread so excuse me if I sound ignorant but this stuff sounds pretty reasonable to me. I really like the thought of increased trade flexibility...which is probably one of the biggest issues in the league right now. Packaging together PERFECT salary matches just seems like such a chore.

A second MLE would likely add more depth to teams like the Lakers, who could basically have added Mike Miller, Steve Blake and Matt Barnes with that alone...but when you try to fuck with the big market squads ability to use their status as an advantage I think you can start to cause problems. Look at the Knicks...they haven't won anything despite their allure.
 
linsivvi said:
Just get rid of the luxury tax. All it does is give incentive to small market teams to not spend and suck and make profit from the tax.
Getting rid of the luxury tax wouldn't eliminate revenue sharing (if it did a lot of teams would go bankrupt), but it would make the Heat experiment look pedestrian.
 
Sharp said:
giri, if you can just cut a player at any time and free all his cap space then teams in rich markets will just offer huge contracts to players and cut them the moment they don't work out. They won't have to worry about age or injury history because they have money. Small teams will still be constrained by their actual budgets (as opposed to the cap) and forced to hang onto huge contracts. The large-market teams effectively suffer no repercussions under your scenario. That's awful for the league.

In your scenario NO one uses it, so why bring it in? And still, the only teams who would win would be the teams with money, who can afford to cut someone on the roster, still pay his luxury tax (which, if we're working on a 65% basis, means the team actually only saves 17.5%), AND sign someone else.

If there is no upside to owners, but consistently huge downside, then it won't get used. And then you'd also have players who would demand to be cut, and teams that refuse to, due to no upside.

Teams in large markets will always have better chances, you can't write EVERY rule to counter it, unless you bring in a hard cap. You want to make it interesting, have a higher tier on the luxury tax or something, where they pay 2$ for ever $1 over 80 million or something.

This isn't about those teams, it's about giving teams a reasonable chance to rebuild, instead of living with one bad decision for 8 years. I don't have the answer, but i do get sick of seeing teams living with one GM's bad decisions in one off season, ruining an entire fanbase for 10 years. Knicks, Wizards (arenas contract), the current pistons,. Maybe make it only useable once every 2 years?
 
Dark FaZe said:
I haven't read the thread so excuse me if I sound ignorant but this stuff sounds pretty reasonable to me. I really like the thought of increased trade flexibility...which is probably one of the biggest issues in the league right now. Packaging together PERFECT salary matches just seems like such a chore.

A second MLE would likely add more depth to teams like the Lakers, who could basically have added Mike Miller, Steve Blake and Matt Barnes with that alone...but when you try to fuck with the big market squads ability to use their status as an advantage I think you can start to cause problems. Look at the Knicks...they haven't won anything despite their allure.

Allen is laughing and cashing his checks while reading this on his android..
 
In my scenario teams use it to get rid of truly untenable contracts (Arenas or Rashard), not just whenever they feel like it.

Nuggs without Melo are awful.
 
WretchedTruman said:
hmmm, maybe I was a little too subtle.

yeah, well uh, Roy's cool and all that.


http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/12/08/ron-artests-immeasurable-encore/?ls=iref:nbahpt2




Is this really how he talks? I'm trying to so hard to have a feel-good moment for Ron Artest and then he just started talking again.
Did he really just complaain about taxes? FFS, ron, including next year's salary, you'll have made $60 million dollars in twelve years. ($~55M in 8). STFU about your financial problems, people with doctoral or professional degrees earn about $3.5-$4.5 million in their entire lifetime, you're basically making 40x as much money as them when you factor in the length of your career :lol
 
Some sloppy shit in MSG!

Likin' Andrea coming out aggressive. Now if only he could end a game aggressively...

I've finally figured out when's the last time I saw Wilson Chandler's haircut. Paris Is Burning.
 
Dark FaZe said:
I haven't read the thread so excuse me if I sound ignorant but this stuff sounds pretty reasonable to me. I really like the thought of increased trade flexibility...which is probably one of the biggest issues in the league right now. Packaging together PERFECT salary matches just seems like such a chore.

A second MLE would likely add more depth to teams like the Lakers, who could basically have added Mike Miller, Steve Blake and Matt Barnes with that alone...but when you try to fuck with the big market squads ability to use their status as an advantage I think you can start to cause problems. Look at the Knicks...they haven't won anything despite their allure.
The knicks problem is that Isiah and Layden stuck us in purgatory. Neither one had the balls to tell Dolan to rebuild. So we were stuck with role players and talented guys with bad attitudes. We were bad, but not bad enough in any year to get a top 3 pick.

Last year was the first year the knicks were a player in free agency since the current cap has been in place. You forget that the knicks were capped out since the cuurent cap has been in place. The knicks were paying players 80+ mill for a few years.

Barrage said:
Some sloppy shit in MSG!

Likin' Andrea coming out aggressive. Now if only he could end a game aggressively...

I've finally figured out when's the last time I saw Wilson Chandler's haircut. Paris Is Burning.
Wilson looking grizzly this year because he is beasting. He has improved his ball handling and midrange shot every year.
 
pilonv1 said:
Who's going to run that team then? Larry himself?
Probably. Crash basically said on monday that DJ had no heart and that he misses Felton. LB has been saying the same thing for weeks. People have been saying DJ is scared of Jax and that's why he is always passing Jax the ball, allowing him to iso even though DJ's teammates hate him for it.
 
Sharp said:
In my scenario teams use it to get rid of truly untenable contracts (Arenas or Rashard), not just whenever they feel like it.

Nuggs without Melo are awful.

Why do i cut those guys? Whats my upside? paying 17.5% less, but not being able to replace him? The Magic sure aren't going to give up depth, one of their strengths, for nothing.

If you're the Wiz, why cut arenas? Sure you're paying 35% less, but you're not going to dip into the luxury tax to replace him, not when anyone you sign (lest it be someone like melo) is going to really replace him and take you out of mediocrity. But Melo isn't looking at the wiz and going "you know, with out arenas, the wiz look attractive, wall, blatche, mcgee, sign me up baby!".

The only player that rule would have been used on that i can think of then, is eddy curry. And while his contract was stupid and horrible, i'm not sure the knicks would have cut him, because again, they could afford to take the chance he gets unfat and useful again.
 
Where did the 17.5% / 35% thing come from? What if it was 50-60%? Would your opinion change?

Turiaf needs to do something about the strange growth on his face.
 
And the money that the bucks gave to Salmons and Gooden still makes me lol. These two guys are obvious cancers and they locked them both up to a lot of money.
 
Wow refs are calling it tight early. There wasn't a fight or anything, why calling it so tight?
Sharp said:
Unless he's an orthodox Jew it has no pace on the basketball court. Or anywhere else for that matter.
So unless you're Jewish you can't have a thick beard? What is wrong with you? :lol
 
Sharp said:
Where did the 17.5% / 35% thing come from? What if it was 50-60%? Would your opinion change?

Turiaf needs to do something about the strange growth on his face.

65% is, in my opinion (entirely opinion) the lowest the players would ever allow their contract to be guranteed too. i.e. 35% of their money isn't guranteed. In all likely hood, it would be much more like 80%
 
charsace said:
So DY is DJ on his way out? Everyone seems to be throwing him under the bus.
I wish. I can't stand watching a good player get wrecked. Even Chris Paul made it a point to join the "Free DJ" bus this off-season as well.

DJ is surrounded by crazies... JAX is two-faced, Gerald is a bitch deep down, Larry Brown hates him because he hates himself, Tyrus is just a crazy mofo no way how you look at it. MJ and Higgins pretty much guaranteed DJ and his family that he won't be moved and have essentially told him to wait out - things will get better.

I think that Gerald Henderson is in the same bus (but a less secure section). Henderson is smart though, he grabbed his knee and said 'fuck yal' and hasn't been back in Charlotte since.
 
The Frankman said:
Wow refs are calling it tight early. There wasn't a fight or anything, why calling it so tight?

So unless you're Jewish you can't have a thick beard? What is wrong with you? :lol
Thick is not the same as unruly, unkempt and unregulated. I'm not saying get rid of the beard, but at least fucking trim it.
The Chosen One said:
Cavs only 35 @ half-time. :lol
Bulls only at 41, probably because of the Cavs' crippling defense.
 
The crowd at this New Orleans game is pretty pathetic. So many empty seats in the lower bowl. Way to fight for your team, guys.
 
Rodeo Clown said:
The crowd at this New Orleans game is pretty pathetic. So many empty seats in the lower bowl. Way to fight for your team, guys.
Not to excuse the New Orleans fans, but they are facing the Pistons.
 
charsace said:
Probably. Crash basically said on monday that DJ had no heart and that he misses Felton. LB has been saying the same thing for weeks. People have been saying DJ is scared of Jax and that's why he is always passing Jax the ball, allowing him to iso even though DJ's teammates hate him for it.
Crash and Jackson are team captains are usually the main guys shooting the teams out of games or letting nobodies go off on them for 20 pts in one quarter. LB's been ragging on DJ for years now so for them to hop in too just makes it easier for everyone to see that they're finger pointing instead of actually being team leaders.

They're both probably going to end being fined by the team - and the beat writer, Bonnell, is going to shafted (again).
 
Was there a death threat called in by one of the players? These are some tight calls I'm seeing on both teams, you can't lay a finger on people.

EDIT: I hate slow starts at home.
 
Knicks are shooting w/o any rebounders there, gotta slow down.

Shawne guarding Bargs? It's the same shit all over again, you cannot put a 6'8 dude on him. That's like putting Chandler on him. Either get Gallo on him or get Randolph off the pine. Don't double him either.
 
Sharp said:
Getting rid of the luxury tax wouldn't eliminate revenue sharing (if it did a lot of teams would go bankrupt), but it would make the Heat experiment look pedestrian.

Get rid of the luxury tax, only allow 1 Bird's right player per team, along with the mid-level and biannual exceptions. I think that's enough flexibilities.
 
DY_nasty said:
Crash and Jackson are team captains are usually the main guys shooting the teams out of games or letting nobodies go off on them for 20 pts in one quarter. LB's been ragging on DJ for years now so for them to hop in too just makes it easier for everyone to see that they're finger pointing instead of actually being team leaders.

They're both probably going to end being fined by the team - and the beat writer, Bonnell, is going to shafted (again).

DJ TO SACTO

You can have Landry
 
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