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[Rentahamster]

Furthermore, reducing taxes has, as far as I know, never been shown to directly correlate with an increase in employment. It definitely does make the people who get to set their own salaries make more money, because the marginal cost of making that money is lowered, but it does not seem to imply any kind of increase in pay for lower income workers or a significant increase in employment. Maybe some other people have some information that contradicts this, I don't claim to be an expert, but I've never seen anything that makes a solid case myself.

Anecdotally speaking, I agree with this. The reason I am loathe to hire employees is not because of taxes, but rather because the red tape I have to deal with increases dramatically once employees are in the picture, and I don't have the time, money, or will to deal with it.

 

[Ken Masters]

Obama supporters because some people claim Romney won the debate:

I almost wish Romney wins, just to see the meltdown on the internet.

Watching the tears on MSNBC with GAF meltdown on the iPad would make for a great evening

 

[Red Blaster]

Obama supporters because some people claim Romney won the debate:

I almost wish Romney wins, just to see the meltdown on the internet.

Sorry Romney doesn't have access to PEDs like those Chinese Olympic swimmers

 

[Diablos]

Of course both campaigns are "dug in". Nobody is thinking Romney's performance last night is going to sway Democrats to the dark side.

The problem is the effect it has on the small but vital amount of Independent/undecided voters.

If you support Obama the last thing you want to see is him puking all over himself in his first appearance against the guy he's been saying is the wrong choice for Americans, but that's exactly what he did.

I just can't get over how poorly Obama did. He really didn't even have to try that hard. He can, and has, done better than this in previous debates. Even if the moderation sucked (which it did), Obama had a ton of opportunities to set the record straight and he just... yeah, kept puking all over himself. I don't understand. I wonder if he had some kind of panic attack or something. This is not the Obama we've come to know over the past several years. As I said in this thread earlier, there's a fine line between being cool and calm (what he typically is) and then starting to really take your head out of the game, and he crossed that line quite a lot last night.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

i await the Biden gafs i fucking love that guy

You love him because he makes you laugh right? Cuz that is why I like him. He says the funniest stuff just like that Kristy guy.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

When do you think it WOULDN'T be premature?

Eventually, it gets harder for you to find coal to use. It gets more costly, depletes faster, and more difficult to find over time.

It wouldn't be premature when it happened naturally as a result of the resources that could be mined in an economically viable fashion being depleted. My point is that this is not being allowed to happen, the government is stepping in and forcing it to happen earlier than what the market would naturally dictate. The impact of this on areas where coal mining is the dominant industry cannot be overstated. There is nothing for these areas to fall-back on, no other major industry to provide jobs, and the Obama administration has shown that they have no interest in a solution to that major issue.

Like I've said before, I can always move out of this area and find a job working in another mining industry. The demand for raw materials will never go away, whether they're being used to burn for electricity or in the production of solar panels and wind turbines. Heck, I'm not even from this area, I've only lived here for two years. But seeing what is going on here and how it is impacting the lives of people who really don't have any other options has honestly made me realize how serious of an issue it is.

This is probably my last post on this topic though, talking about this stuff two much starts to stress me out after awhile, haha.

 

[PS3GamerKyle]

Obama supporters because some people claim Romney won the debate:

I almost wish Romney wins, just to see the meltdown on the internet.

Almost agree with you. The meltdown would be historic.

 

[Rehynn]

I hate to be the guy who posts this, but am I the only one who hears a fart at 0:18:28?

 

[Fantomex]

Step your income game up and stop complaining

Coooold Bloooooodeeeeeedd.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

If you support Obama the last thing you want to see is him puking all over himself in his first appearance against the guy he's been saying is the wrong choice for Americans, but that's exactly what he did.

I just can't get over how poorly Obama did. He really didn't even have to try that hard. He can, and has, done better than this in previous debates. Even if the moderation sucked (which it did), Obama had a ton of opportunities to set the record straight and he just... yeah, kept puking all over himself. I don't understand. I wonder if he had some kind of panic attack or something. This is not the Obama we've come to know over the past several years. As I said in this thread earlier, there's a fine line between being cool and calm (what he typically is) and then starting to really take your head out of the game, and he crossed that line quite a lot last night.

puking all over himself? you guys are taking this a bit too far. A BIT

 

[mackattk]

I hate to be the guy who posts this, but am I the only one who hears a fart at 0:18:28?

It's either Jim or Obama saying "hmm".

Granted, if I was on stage in front of millions, I would be worried about having to fart.

 

[NH Apache]

I hate to be the guy who posts this, but am I the only one who hears a fart at 0:18:28?

...how much they pay in taxes (bumph).

Niiiice.

 

[Deified Data]

Liberal meltdown has been fascinating to watch

Same with conservative-GAF's littile "Groundhog Day". You guys only seem to show up when there's something to gloat about.

Did you see your shadow? Is it 4 years of Romney or 4 more years of Obama?

 

[Zen]

Liberal meltdown has been fascinating to watch

I must be missing something then because there's no meltdown.

 

[bill0527]

I thought Romney looked and sounded great. Obama looked good. If Romney is full of shit, then its Obama's job to call him on it. I'm not going to make excuses for him. I expect O to be better prepared next time.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Pretty much. Neither candidate is "zomg the end is nigh" bad as the other side might believe, but hey, politics has become as bad as pro sports teams. Not many are open to the possibility of changing their mind anymore.

One of them wants to turn medicare into a system where senior citizens are told to go out and purchase private insurance.

the entire reason why medicare was made in the first place is because the employment-based health insurance model did not accomodoate senior citizens, and senior citizens could not afford the individual plans that the private insurance market offered precisely because of their age and medical problems

Or maybe romney wants obamacare. OR maybe he doesn't. Or maybe he does but in all of the 50 states and all the US territories instead of all of the US (?!). But we do know that romney would definitely support a vouchercare system, and if he becomes president, it would almost certainly mean a republican house and senate, and that is what they would give him.

But continue this stupid false equivalence BS you continue to spout day after day, election after election. Doesn't make you any better or more intelligent for it. It just makes you wrong.


The sickiening part of this is that you have a candidate arguing to preserve the quality of life enjoyed by the current generation and weaken the quality of life for subsequent generations. That's not how you move forward. Usually you want your children to live better than you

 

[phosphor112]

those sure are some important documents.
http://youtu.be/aYKKsRxhcro?t=1h32m23s

Quoting because this is something awkward.

 

[Byakuya769]

This is that stupid shit that happens over in gaming whenever an exclusive changes platforms. "Oooooo, MELTDOWNS!" "Hahaha, they're soooo salty!" These posts will outnumber any actual meltdown 4-1. Meanwhile, the libs in here are debating coal policy.

 

[Open Source]

This has probably been gone over. But one thing I love about the Republican platform is that somehow raising taxes on businesses, in and of itself, leads to less people being hired?

Last I checked, people have to fucking buy your product (aka generate demand), and more demand would lead to needing to increase workers (supply) to meet the increased demand. This to me seems like a much more effective way in reality of creating jobs.

Now, the Republicans seem to think by increasing a companies bottom line, through taxation, not sales, somehow would lead businesses to increase hiring.

Unless the demand is there to drive it, how the fuck does this work?

You hire when you want to grow your business. You grow your business when the opportunity for increased profit outweighs the costs and risks involved in growing it.

Taxes affect various elements in that equation depending on what exactly is being taxed.

For example, a payroll tax hike means that employees are more expensive. Therefore, the cost of growth is higher, and the opportunity for profit has to be commeasurably higher to justify the hire.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

Watching the tears on MSNBC with GAF meltdown on the iPad would make for a great evening

All the tears acquired would rival the Dead Sea.

 

[Giant Panda]

Now hold on a second, people are seriously over-reacting.

I can't remember the last time that an American President came across as so lost, so clueless, with almost no confidence at all. It was a pathetic display, and certainly not the way you want your leader to come across, even if you don't agree with him. Take out his points and his positions, no matter if you agree with him or not. Going on just body language, his method of speaking, all of that last night - it just didn't come off as anything close to Presidential, as a leader, and it should have embarrassed everyone.

I do not agree with a lot of Obama's positions, but I at least want him to come across as a leader that we all can, and should, respect.

Seriously. I don't know what you watched but it was not nearly that one sided. Obama lost because he didn't refute any of Romney's claims about his own policies, but he also made Romney look a foolish with his vague ever-changing plans, and his its-Obamacare-but-not health care plans. This was a Romney win but people claiming this was an Obama bomb are clueless.

 

[speculawyer]

Trust me, the threat is not only imminent, it is here. And it's not because of renewable resources, it's because of cheap natural gas and over-regulation. If you look up recent news for any major coal company you can get an idea of just how rough things have been lately for the industry. That is why just about every person you meet who is involved with coal in any way despises Obama, because he simply doesn't see it as part of our energy plan for the future (both long and short term).

There is a rich irony there. Fossil fuel people hate Obama because he's allowed fossil fuel people to drill largely unfettered to reduce fossil fuel prices.


The coal people are just in a bad time for their industry but that is not Obama's fault, that is the free market's fault.

 

[Deified Data]

This is that stupid shit that happens over in gaming whenever an exclusive changes platforms. "Oooooo, MELTDOWNS!" "Hahaha, they're soooo salty!" These posts will outnumber any actual meltdown 4-1. Meanwhile, the libs in here are debating coal policy.

Let them have their moment. It's good for their self-esteem.

 

[MBison]

The spin and meltdown today is glorious. Romney cheated! Liberal pundit #49 fact checks Romney! My favorite is the new DNC ad that basically says Romney was an aggressive meanie pants.

 

[PoweredBySoy]

Romney 1, Obama 0

lol. Oh, so now we're keeping score. Convenient.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Same with conservative-GAF's littile "Groundhog Day". You guys only seem to show up when there's something to gloat about. Did you see your shadow? Is it 4 years of Romney or 4 more years of Obama?

This is true. I didn't realize there were so many right-leaning dudes around here. Where y'all been?

 

[Ken Masters]

Obama literally bows down go world leaders and figuratively does so with political rivals

Got to love that in our president

 

[nib95]

The spin and meltdown today is glorious. Romney cheated! Liberal pundit #49 fact checks Romney! My favorite is the new DNC ad that basically says Romney was an aggressive meanie pants.

I don't think aggressiveness is the issue. Problem is with the gross exaggeration and out right continuous lies. Romney was living up to the flip flopping make up a load of crap to fit the crowd reputation, only now he's a lot better with the delivery. I can see why he was so good at his job at Bains. Master salesman and bullshitter with little regard for accountability, which makes his pitches all the more effective at first listen.

 

[Subitai]

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[2 Slice Toaster]

Obama literally bows down go world leaders and figuratively does so with political rivals

Got to love that in our president

So do we want the Uncle Tom or the uppity black man? He's trying to find just the right balance.

 

[revolverjgw]

Romney 1, Obama uhhhhhh

There we go

I don't really follow American politics that much, so I have no idea if 80% of the "facts" these guys were throwing around were even true, but damn Romney surprised me with his presentation. He just sounded so much better than Obama.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

I thought Romney looked and sounded great. Obama looked good. If Romney is full of shit, then its Obama's job to call him on it. I'm not going to make excuses for him. I expect O to be better prepared next time.

true

but the Debate format didn't allow for alot of responses. They went from issue to issue fairly quickly.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

This is true. I didn't realize there were so many right-leaning dudes around here. Where y'all been?

NFL gaf.

 

[Ken Masters]

So do we want the Uncle Tom or the uppity black man? He's trying to find just the right balance.

Why are you mentioning race?

 

[Diablos]

Why are you mentioning race?

Why are you being a troll?

 

[Byakuya769]

Lib gaf, as a Heat fan I can tell you that it gets better. You'll have to deal with conservative posters that you've never heard of for a week or so, but the skills will wake up.

 

[Kinitari]

I kind of want Romney to win. I think a republican in the white house will scare all of us Canadians into voting non-conservative

 

[Ken Masters]

Why are you being a troll?

For having differnt political views and calling someone out for brining race into the discussion when it wasn't necessary?

Why are you trolling?

 

[Valnen]

Same with conservative-GAF's littile "Groundhog Day". You guys only seem to show up when there's something to gloat about

They're too busy trying to suppress women's rights I guess.

 

[phosphor112]

Almost agree with you. The meltdown would be historic.

Is it because salt melts ice?

 

[RDreamer]

I kind of want Romney to win. I think a republican in the white house will scare all of us Canadians into voting non-conservative

Hey man, why you gotta throw us all under the bus like that? We're people, too, not ginnhea pigs!

 

[Diablos]

For having differnt political views and calling someone out for brining race into the discussion when it wasn't necessary?

Why are you trolling?

I'm not. Saying our President constantly bows to world leaders is a trollish far right talking point that's always blown way out of proportion.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

I kind of want Romney to win. I think a republican in the white house will scare all of us Canadians into voting non-conservative

I think we'd just be back to 30% voter turnout again.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Obama literally bows down go world leaders and figuratively does so with political rivals

Got to love that in our president

wow

 

[KingGondo]

I'm not. Saying our President constantly bows to world leaders is a trollish far right talking point that's always blown way out of proportion.

If Romney gets elected he'll punch other world leaders in the face then bang their wives.

 

[Diablos]

Not that it really reflects the debate... but that's pretty good. Hopefully Bams can keep this going.

 

[chaosblade]

I didn't find either of them very impressive, but the debate didn't really allow for a lot of nitty-gritty details to be thrown out there. Romney was particularly bad in that regard and on the occasions when actual details were brought in, that's when he struggled the most (especially health care).

And Obama just didn't come across well in general.

Makes it all the more depressing we don't have more legitimate choices.

 

[Ken Masters]

If Romney gets elected he'll punch other world leaders in the face then bang their wives.

Like Reagan and Bush did right?

Oh wait

 

[Byakuya769]

I kind of want Romney to win. I think a republican in the white house will scare all of us Canadians into voting non-conservative

You'd screw up the entire United States for the elections of one US Territory? Priorities, man.

 

[Diablos]

For the billionth time it isn't that they were both lackluster. It's that Obama was expected to win this thing by a wide margin and solidify himself as the frontrunner and Romney as a clueless yuppie, but it completely backfired. Romney owned the debate.