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[BertramCooper]

I made a comment on Facebook this morning about how public broadcasting is an asset for our country and I'm glad to have my taxes go toward funding it, and of course, I got this idiotic response:

"well double up your payment and give me back my share"

I retorted with: "Sorry, I can't chop up pennies."

I'll never understand the hatred of PBS and NPR.

 

[Novid]

There's an article in the latest Time about the coal industry's struggles under the Obama EPA, this isn't some new thing. My problem with the administration's approach is that they view coal through a vaccum that basically says coal is broken and needs major changes...but instead of fixing it we'll kill it and build something different at a later date. That doesn't take into account the people who struggle and work there right now. They don't have the luxury of waiting for change

If Obama wants to support "clean" coal he should do something about it; you don't need a comprehensive energy policy to help those folks out. I get the impression that this is more about pleasing environmentalists than helping struggling people transition to something else. Manufacturing is dying in the Midwest but the region hasn't been abandoned - in fact it's being helped. Why not help states that completely rely on coal?

I'm a liberal but I'm not an environmentalist

any talk about any fucking sort dealing with coal or the coal industry that doesnt start and end with thoruim i dont want to fucking hear it.

 

[Novid]

I made a comment on Facebook this morning about how public broadcasting is an asset for our country and I'm glad to have my taxes go toward funding it, and of course, I got this idiotic response:

"well double up your payment and give me back my share"

I retorted with: "Sorry, I can't chop up pennies."

I'll never understand the hatred of PBS and NPR.

The only two problems i have with PBS is miss Kerger is a lier and a facist, and the other is the emmense E/I credits PBS Kids gets, and yet miss Kerger has thenotion to complain that the rest of the kids business advertises but she doesnt use the same adverisers? (which is a lie btw) Other than that, no major problems except the nagging issues with frontline.

 

[Ken Masters]

if people think the average American gives a damn about the facts and MSNBC spin on politics you are all mistaken, being embarrassed and looking weak on a debate stage while being bullied is a hell of a lot more important


do people give a shit about the 47% tape anymore? nope

 

[Eidan]

if people think the average American gives a damn about the facts and MSNBC spin on politics you are all mistaken, being embarrassed and looking weak on a debate stage while being bullied is a hell of a lot more important


do people give a shit about the 47% tape anymore? nope

If people don't care about the 47 percent comments, it's because Obama didn't feel it was important enough to mention. A mistake in my opinion, because Romney's comments weren't a "gaffe". They were genuine remarks that put on display his worldview, and how ugly said views are. Obama should never miss an opportunity to remind people whose interests Romney really cares about.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

man, fantastic seeing all of the Obama supporters squirming today.

Romney's for real, folks. He made a believer out of my left-leaning wife last night.

 

[Ken Masters]

If people don't care about the 47 percent comments, it's because Obama didn't feel it was important enough to mention. A mistake in my opinion, because Romney's comments weren't a "gaffe". They were genuine remarks that put on display his worldview, and how ugly said views are. Obama should never miss an opportunity to remind people whose interests Romney really cares about.

I agree, Obama basically made people forget about the 47% comment, he could have repeated that the entire debate but instead never said it ONCE


while Romney used every talking point attack over and over and over




Hilary crushed Obama in the debates but it mattered little because he was a rock star in 2008, that popularity and love for him is long gone

 

[Eidan]

Jolly Corner: Would you describe your wife as a low-information voter?

 

[Paches]

man, fantastic seeing all of the Obama supporters squirming today.

Romney's for real, folks. He made a believer out of my left-leaning wife last night.

A believer in what way? Did she change her positions on an issue or issues due to something Romney said? That would be pretty incredible considering we learned nothing new except for the fact that now he doesn't want to lower taxes for rich people (supposedly).

 

[IrishNinja]

if people think the average American gives a damn about debates in general you are all mistaken, being embarrassed and looking weak on a debate stage while being bullied doesn't really mean much on election day, as we saw in '04 and many times before


do people give a shit about debates anymore? nope

Hilary crushed Obama in the debates but it mattered little because exactly

[/QUOTE]

fixed that for you brah, you're welcome

Romney's for real, folks. He made a believer out of my left-leaning wife last night.

...may i ask what bits specifically?

 

[RDreamer]

man, fantastic seeing all of the Obama supporters squirming today.

Romney's for real, folks. He made a believer out of my left-leaning wife last night.

Your wife believes in magic?

 

[Prez]

Romney's for real, folks. He made a believer out of my left-leaning wife last night.

Oh my god, that must really mean something!

 

[2MF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEhmmtGPYzE

 

[Doc Holliday]

fixed that for you brah, you're welcome



...may i ask what bits specifically?

His hair!

 

[dabig2]

If people don't care about the 47 percent comments, it's because Obama didn't feel it was important enough to mention. A mistake in my opinion, because Romney's comments weren't a "gaffe". They were genuine remarks that put on display his worldview, and how ugly said views are. Obama should never miss an opportunity to remind people whose interests Romney really cares about.

People know enough about the 47%. Obama and team knew Romney would have a manufactured response to it so why give Romney a nice soundbyte to refute the video to the President's face.

What he should've done is call out the blatant lies about medicare, education, and taxes.

 

[LosDaddie]

The PoliGAF liberal echo chamber am cry. :lol

Obama never struck me as a "great" debater, and Romney has had 4yrs to prepare for this moment. His performance last night was exactly what conservatives were hoping for; Aggressive and concise.

Romney threw haymakers all night. Obama should've expected this, yet what we saw was an incumbent looking tired and disinterested last night. Poor form.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I still think the 47 is coming. It's too good of a quick barb to leave out.

 

[bengraven]

Kerry won two of his three debates.

 

[Eidan]

People know enough about the 47%. Obama and team knew Romney would have a manufactured response to it so why give Romney a nice soundbyte to refute the video to the President's face.

What he should've done is call out the blatant lies about medicare, education, and taxes.

I would be very interested in hearing what response Romney would have for it. His comments weren't ambiguous. His views made simple and clear. Simply saying "I care about the 100 percent of Americans" isn't enough.

But I agree with your point. That Obama let Romney slide when he said 20 million Americans would lose their insurance under the ACA...was inexcusable.

 

[dark10x]

man, fantastic seeing all of the Obama supporters squirming today.

Romney's for real, folks. He made a believer out of my left-leaning wife last night.

Wait, what? He was barely able to back anything up. He makes bold claims without any substance and comes off like an asshole while doing it.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

If Obama had won last night's debate I kind of doubt we'd be hearing as much about how debates don't matter in this thread.

 

[ISOM]

The PoliGAF liberal echo chamber am cry. :lol

Obama never struck me as a "great" debater, and Romney has had 4yrs to prepare for this moment. His performance last night was exactly what conservatives were hoping for; Aggressive and concise.

Romney threw haymakers all night. Obama should've expected this, yet what we saw was an incumbent looking tired and disinterested last night. Poor form.

Enjoy your couple of days of happy mitt I guess conservatives/republicans must be willing to slirp him up since he has some momentum now. He still has no chance of winning though lol. I also love how all you guys love to complain about liberal gaf, well guess what this is a liberal forum by nature. If you want to hear romney's awesomeness in a conservative echo chamber go to their forum.

 

[diffusionx]

The PoliGAF liberal echo chamber am cry. :lol

Obama never struck me as a "great" debater, and Romney has had 4yrs to prepare for this moment. His performance last night was exactly what conservatives were hoping for; Aggressive and concise.

Romney threw haymakers all night. Obama should've expected this, yet what we saw was an incumbent looking tired and disinterested last night. Poor form.

Not just 4 years, but about 600 practice debates with the hucksters he ran against earlier this year.

I'll admit I didn't watch the debate. This stuff doesn't matter - it's mostly a performance for the Royal Court on the Potomac. But I did watch the closing comments and Obama seemed tired and out of sync. I don't think he was some sort of amazing debater but four years ago he at least had energy.

Maybe Obama was trying to play off as the cool rational one but it didn't seem that way. He needs to prep for the next one.

 

[ISOM]

If Obama had won last night's debate I kind of doubt we'd be hearing as much about how debates don't matter in this thread.

The debates don't really matter though, kerry won the debates he still lost.

 

[pigeon]

if people think the average American gives a damn about the facts and MSNBC spin on politics you are all mistaken, being embarrassed and looking weak on a debate stage while being bullied is a hell of a lot more important


do people give a shit about the 47% tape anymore? nope

Idiotic.

 

[Learn2read]

LOL at all the Romney supporters so excited about Romney baldfaced lying to them because Romney did it FORCEFULLY

Sums up the retardation of modern conservatives to a tee.

 

[pigeon]

If Obama had won last night's debate I kind of doubt we'd be hearing as much about how debates don't matter in this thread.

It would be true either way, though, and that's why people have been saying it for weeks.

 

[IrishNinja]

The PoliGAF liberal echo chamber am cry. :lol

i've pretty much surmised "echo chamber" is synonymous with "people saying things i don't agree with", seems to apply here too

Romney threw haymakers all night.

this kind've statement is only possible because people don't watch boxing anymore, i blame dana white the WBA

If Obama had won last night's debate I kind of doubt we'd be hearing as much about how debates don't matter in this thread.

Kerry won two of his three debates.

.

 

[Eidan]

It would be true either way, though, and that's why people have been saying it for weeks.

Yep. If anything you're going to hear the impact of debates get overstated by the punditry in the days to come...because it's in their interest to make people feel that debates matter, and it's especially in their interest to make the race seem competitive.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

It would be true either way, though, and that's why people have been saying it for weeks.

Regardless, I think the general conversation would have been focused more on how great Obama's performance was if he had won. Just a guess, though. Whether they matter or not is irrelevant to my comment.

 

[ISOM]

Mitt Romney is all flash no substance if conservative gaff wants to enjoy their little moment then they should. Stop complaining though it's infantile.

 

[eBay Huckster]

LOL at all the Romney supporters so excited about Romney baldfaced lying to them because Romney did it FORCEFULLY

Sums up the retardation of modern conservatives to a tee.

modern american conservatism is based on a series of cascading macroeconomic lies (and also heaps of nativism) so that really comes as no surprise

 

[Vestal]

Ill repost this here...


A lot of people were expecting Obama to go full offensive and bring up Bain, and the 47% comment, and since he didn't are shitting all over that fact..

Lets face a few facts here that I think should put all of this in perspective.

1. This was the first debate, and off course the Challenger to an incumbent will come out looking good by just being there. It is a lot easier to attack an incumbent than it is for an incumbent to attack the challenger particularly when said challenger flip flops on every single thing he has proposed in the past.

2. Obama is the POTUS. He does not have the luxury of time that Romney had to prepare for this debate, or have a Primary season to get him in Debate shape.

3. Romney IMO had already hit rock bottom, or close to it in how people viewed him. Outside of him coming out as the AntiChrist there was hardly anything he could do that would make him look bad in this debate, simply because expectations were so low.

4. The problem Obama has a lot of times in debates, is that he actually thinks his answers instead of spewing talking points.

5. The damage from Bain and 47% is already done.. He took the higher road in regards to those attacks, because if he went that way it would be considered character assassination and something that the POTUS should be above. It is something that should be brought up by surrogates and ads.

6. The moderator was absolutely atrocious. He had no control of the Debate.

 

[teruterubozu]

Kerry won two of his three debates.

There's no consensus on "won" in this thread.

 

[aronnov reborn]

man, fantastic seeing all of the Obama supporters squirming today.

Romney's for real, folks. He made a believer out of my left-leaning wife last night.

It's like christmas morning for me with all this damage control. I still dont think it was enough for romney to pull ahead in the swing states that matter but hey it might be his only victory so i'll take it.

 

[eBay Huckster]

1. This was the first debate, and off course the Challenger to an incumbent will come out looking good by just being there. It is a lot easier to attack an incumbent than it is for an incumbent to attack the challenger particularly when said challenger flip flops on every single thing he has proposed in the past.

yeah i don't think this can be stressed enough:

except for 1988, the non-incumbent-party candidate has literally 'won' the first debate in every election cycle since 1976

 

[Measley]

Yep. If anything you're going to hear the impact of debates get overstated by the punditry in the days to come...because it's in their interest to make people feel that debates matter, and it's especially in their interest to make the race seem competitive.

Job numbers come tomorrow too. They are looking pretty solid.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

It's like christmas morning for me with all this damage control. I still dont think it was enough for romney to pull ahead in the swing states that matter but hey it might be his only victory so i'll take it.

It's a step in the right direction though. My only fear is the foreign policy debates and seeing how Romney can step up in that issue. I just hope his plan doesnt revolve around treating other countries like business partners.

 

[Deified Data]

Then they should leave, not waste their lives propping up a dead form of energy. These jobs will go away some day no matter who the president is in 2013.

This is a really ugly attitude that, if expressed from the right, would be torn apart in seconds.

I agree with you, you're not wrong, but these coal jobs really shouldn't be phased out until there are viable green alternatives.

 

[Patryn]

I'm curious if Obama was playing possum. Think about it: the narrative coming out of this debate is that Romney is strong and focused, and Obama is addled and tired.

But there are two more debates. Expectations for Obama have just been massively lowered, but massively raised for Romney.

So, yes, Romney really accomplished what he needed to do tonight. But did he sabotage himself for the next two debates? If he isn't able to keep up that intensity, he may start suffering. And if Obama start showing serious signs of life, the political narrative can flip damn quick.

But I really have to give props to Romney's debate prep team. They did a damn good job prepping their candidate.

 

[IrishNinja]

My only fear is the foreign policy debates and seeing how Romney can step up in that issue. I just hope his plan doesnt revolve around treating other countries like business partners.

given his statement tonight about trade with china being restricted if found "unfair" i'd not be optimistic here, personally

 

[pigeon]

Regardless, I think the general conversation would have been focused more on how great Obama's performance was if he had won. Just a guess, though. Whether they matter or not is irrelevant to my comment.

Well, it seemed like you were implying that it was just spin, which isn't so. You're probably right otherwise, because GAF skews towards college students.

 

[ManDudeChild]

Unfortunately politics around the world seems to be more focused on style than substance at the moment.

When hasn't it been this moment?

 

[Volimar]

I'm curious if Obama was playing possum. Think about it: the narrative coming out of this debate is that Romney is strong and focused, and Obama is addled and tired.

But there are two more debates. Expectations for Obama have just been massively lowered, but massively raised for Romney.

So, yes, Romney really accomplished what he needed to do tonight. But did he sabotage himself for the next two debates? If he isn't able to keep up that intensity, he may start suffering. And if Obama start showing serious signs of life, the political narrative can flip damn quick.

But I really have to give props to Romney's debate prep team. They did a damn good job prepping their candidate.

The more I think about it, the more I am coming around to this way of thinking. I know people will say we're grasping at straws, and we'll never know for certain, but Obama just hit Romney too soft last night for it to have been Romney getting the better of him...

In my opinion anyway.

 

[teruterubozu]

It was the dude's anniversary. I'd be a bit cranky and distracted too.

Romney pretty much summed it up last night - And you're spending it with ME!

 

[TCRS]

Has Obama ever performed well without a teleprompter? I remember the press conference with David Cameron, Obama was akward there too. He's not good at formulating on the go (afaik).

 

[Zabka]

The more I think about it, the more I am coming around to this way of thinking. I know people will say we're grasping at straws, and we'll never know for certain, but Obama just hit Romney too soft last night for it to have been Romney getting the better of him...

In my opinion anyway.

I have to say it is very odd that he kept his head down taking notes most of the debate. He or his team would have to known this would be split-screened for most of it. If they didn't they should be fired.

 

[Eidan]

Has Obama ever performed well without a teleprompter? I remember the press conference with David Cameron, Obama was akward there too. He's not good at formulating on the go (afaik).

I think he's fine, you just have to get used to the fact that he talks very slowly and deliberately.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

I'm curious if Obama was playing possum. Think about it: the narrative coming out of this debate is that Romney is strong and focused, and Obama is addled and tired.

But there are two more debates. Expectations for Obama have just been massively lowered, but massively raised for Romney.

So, yes, Romney really accomplished what he needed to do tonight. But did he sabotage himself for the next two debates? If he isn't able to keep up that intensity, he may start suffering. And if Obama start showing serious signs of life, the political narrative can flip damn quick.

But I really have to give props to Romney's debate prep team. They did a damn good job prepping their candidate.

Well if this were true then Obama's tactic isnt a very smart one. Why would you play possum in a domestic policy debate? Aka probably the most important issue in the election.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

This is a really ugly attitude that, if expressed from the right, would be torn apart in seconds.

I agree with you, you're not wrong, but these coal jobs really shouldn't be phased out until there are viable green alternatives.

Perhaps I'm a bit too abrasive but I dislike the idea that we should continue an energy policy that is detrimental to both our health and environment simply because a small minority in VA would have to find new jobs elsewhere.