2012 NBA Feb |OT2| Kobe Bryant is a MAN

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Basketball Reasons said:
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All that needs to be said.

At this point, I'm willing to go without the home-run if it's not there.

D12 is confused, option 1A still gets a lot of run, especially with no Pau or Bynum. Him and Kobe would be taking most of the shots.
 
Black Mamba said:
nobody has cap space now. You'd have to do it in the off-season. Who is going to take Marion that isn't a contender or close to it. And what near contenders, besides Dallas, have cap space?

The fucking T-wolves are not taking Marion.

And by the time you find someone, Dwight might have already picked his team. This is really hard to pull off in the real world. Dwight isn't going to have a 3 month free agency period.
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You're thinking about this the wrong way. The Mavs are not going to go into the offseason thinking "we have to trade Marion or Dwight won't think about us." They're not going to even shop Marion unless Dwight tells them he wants to be a Mav. Only when that happens will they look for a trade with a team with cap space.

I think you really have to look at the context here. The number of teams with cap space this offseason will be large. On the other hand, the number of quality small forwards that are free agents is very small. I mean seriously, have you looked at the list? And remember, in the new CBA the salary floor is higher.

The guys that are hard to trade are guys with bad attitudes and/or really bad contracts. Marion's is a little higher than you'd normally pay for a guy his age, but when you consider that he's still one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, who guarded Kobe, Durant, and Lebron in the title run last year, a good rebounder, who can give you ten points a game without running plays for him, I don't think he's the hardest sell. We're not talking about World Peace here.

I don't know if the TWolves would want him or not, but I don't see why they or a number of other teams wouldn't think about it. Like I said, context. Convincing Dwight to go to the Mavs is the much tougher proposition.

But I guess there's no way to know for sure unless Dwight becomes a free agent and says he wants to go to Dallas.
 
Branduil said:
You're thinking about this the wrong way. The Mavs are not going to go into the offseason thinking "we have to trade Marion or Dwight won't think about us." They're not going to even shop Marion unless Dwight tells them he wants to be a Mav. Only when that happens will they look for a trade with a team with cap space.

I think you really have to look at the context here. The number of teams with cap space this offseason will be large. On the other hand, the number of quality small forwards that are free agents is very small. I mean seriously, have you looked at the list? And remember, in the new CBA the salary floor is higher.

The guys that are hard to trade are guys with bad attitudes and/or really bad contracts. Marion's is a little higher than you'd normally pay for a guy his age, but when you consider that he's still one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, who guarded Kobe, Durant, and Lebron in the title run last year, a good rebounder, who can give you ten points a game without running plays for him, I don't think he's the hardest sell. We're not talking about World Peace here.

I don't know if the TWolves would want him or not, but I don't see why they or a number of other teams wouldn't think about it. Like I said, context. Convincing Dwight to go to the Mavs is the much tougher proposition.

But I guess there's no way to know for sure unless Dwight becomes a free agent and says he wants to go to Dallas.
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Basically this, although I think it's an easier sell than staying in Orlando. Great owner, Dirk, etc...I wonder how much the #1 option matters to him.
 
If the Mavs really want Dwight and Dwight doesn't want to be the #2 guy on the team then they can just obviously trade Dirk to Orlando. Problem solved!
 
Boombloxer said:
Basically this, although I think it's an easier sell than staying in Orlando. Great owner, Dirk, etc...I wonder how much the #1 option matters to him.
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I think he's also wondering how much it matters to him. Deron seems much more sure of himself, either way he goes, which is why I think if Orlando doesn't trade Dwight, and doesn't win it all this year, Dwight's going to follow Deron to wherever he ends up.

Ninja Scooter said:
The fact that he is reportedly ruling out the Lakers and Bulls should tell you something about how he feels about that.
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Does he not want to play with another #1 option, or does he not want to play with a #1 option with hundreds of millions of dollars in endorsements and a reputation for playing hero ball at the end of games?
 
Boombloxer said:
Basically this, although I think it's an easier sell than staying in Orlando. Great owner, Dirk, etc...I wonder how much the #1 option matters to him.
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I said it the year before last, in regards to LBJ. But Dwight next to Dirk would be a great fit. A really great fit.
 
giri said:
I said it the year before last, in regards to LBJ. But Dwight next to Dirk would be a great fit. A really great fit.
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Well Dirk's kind of a good fit next to any halfway decent defensive center, but when you consider that Orlando has basically been trying to pair Dwight with hobo Dirks for years, it makes a lot of sense.
 
Branduil said:
Well Dirk's kind of a good fit next to any halfway decent defensive center, but when you consider that Orlando has basically been trying to pair Dwight with hobo Dirks for years, it makes a lot of sense.
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LBJ & Dirk or Dwight & Dirk is just a good match, as many players can fit around dirk when he works in the high post.

If Deron is there also... thats a REAL big 3.

But if you shipped Marion out, who's playing sg & sf? bogans? Kleiza?
 
Branduil said:
You're thinking about this the wrong way. The Mavs are not going to go into the offseason thinking "we have to trade Marion or Dwight won't think about us." They're not going to even shop Marion unless Dwight tells them he wants to be a Mav. Only when that happens will they look for a trade with a team with cap space.

I think you really have to look at the context here. The number of teams with cap space this offseason will be large. On the other hand, the number of quality small forwards that are free agents is very small. I mean seriously, have you looked at the list? And remember, in the new CBA the salary floor is higher.
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Not sure where you are getting this from. And what teams willing to trade will have it?

The guys that are hard to trade are guys with bad attitudes and/or really bad contracts. Marion's is a little higher than you'd normally pay for a guy his age, but when you consider that he's still one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, who guarded Kobe, Durant, and Lebron in the title run last year, a good rebounder, who can give you ten points a game without running plays for him, I don't think he's the hardest sell. We're not talking about World Peace here.

I don't know if the TWolves would want him or not, but I don't see why they or a number of other teams wouldn't think about it. Like I said, context. Convincing Dwight to go to the Mavs is the much tougher proposition.

But I guess there's no way to know for sure unless Dwight becomes a free agent and says he wants to go to Dallas.
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Because teams not contending have no use for Marion. And those teams are capped out, for the most part.

And a West team is not going to help Dallas get Deron and Dwight while keeping Dirk.
 
Does he not want to play with another #1 option, or does he not want to play with a #1 option with hundreds of millions of dollars in endorsements and a reputation for playing hero ball at the end of games?
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Considering that his hero ball has resulted in 5 rings, I'm sure D12 can probably live with it.
 
giri said:
LBJ & Dirk or Dwight & Dirk is just a good match, as many players can fit around dirk when he works in the high post.

If Deron is there also... thats a REAL big 3.

But if you shipped Marion out, who's playing sg & sf? bogans? Kleiza?
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at that point (if it ever happens), it wouldnt be too hard to convince a vet, one of those 3-and-D type players to sign with the mavs. im sure donne nelson can find some young talents at these positions
and have them play for the texas legends
 
Black Mamba said:
Not sure where you are getting this from. And what teams willing to trade will have it?

Because teams not contending have no use for Marion. And those teams are capped out, for the most part.

And a West team is not going to help Dallas get Deron and Dwight while keeping Dirk.
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Teams with cap space next year:

Boston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Denver, Golden State, Houston, Indiana, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Orleans, Orlando, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, Toronto, Utah, and Washington.

A lot of those teams probably wouldn't want Marion, but some would. And I don't think the list is as limited as you do, because of the higher salary floor, plus a lot of teams being delusional about their odds. There's also the possibility of a cap room team accepting an expirer from an over-the cap team(to meet salary floor requirements), with Marion then going to the over-the-cap team.


giri said:
LBJ & Dirk or Dwight & Dirk is just a good match, as many players can fit around dirk when he works in the high post.

If Deron is there also... thats a REAL big 3.

But if you shipped Marion out, who's playing sg & sf? bogans? Kleiza?
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That's a good question. I would think the Mavs would try to keep Wince if they could, he's more productive than his salary, which isn't much. So that would solve SG. For SF they would only have the room exception to work with. Maybe Pietrus or Grant Hill?
 
kevo_huevo said:
at that point (if it ever happens), it wouldnt be too hard to convince a vet, one of those 3-and-D type players to sign with the mavs. im sure donne nelson can find some young talents at these positions
and have them play for the texas legends
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You might be able to pick up an amnestied guy, but they'd be for portions of the exceptions. Nothing huge.
 
Branduil said:
That's a good question. I would think the Mavs would try to keep Wince if they could, he's more productive than his salary, which isn't much. So that would solve SG. For SF they would only have the room exception to work with. Maybe Pietrus or Grant Hill?
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Grant MIGHT. But i think his desire to keep playing at the top level is waning.

I know of the times you listed with cap, the suns are probably just going to make a run a Eric Gordon, and if he doesn't sign, sign Nash for another year, and a bunch of 1 year contracts.

What you'd really need is guys who can just defend, and spot up shoot. Pietrus would be ideal.
 
I didn't realize how much cap space Houston could have next year. Lowry and Dalembert's deals are a steal. Marion would be a great fit with them, and we all know how much Morey wants to make the next superteam happen.
 
Branduil said:
Teams with cap space next year:

Boston, Charlotte, Cleveland, Denver, Golden State, Houston, Indiana, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Orleans, Orlando, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, Toronto, Utah, and Washington.

A lot of those teams probably wouldn't want Marion, but some would. And I don't think the list is as limited as you do, because of the higher salary floor, plus a lot of teams being delusional about their odds. There's also the possibility of a cap room team accepting an expirer from an over-the cap team(to meet salary floor requirements), with Marion then going to the over-the-cap team.
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uh...you got your shit wrong. Ignoring the draft picks you forget...

Teams without cap room:
Denver - you assume Gallo isn't re-signed. lol.
GSW - assumes Rush is left to leave and low draft pick
Houston - assumed Dragic leaves, dalembert not picked up, plus the position is filled
Orlando - assumes Dwight leaves, anderson not re-signed. 100% they don't trade here.
Philly - Assumes Brand opts out, LOLOLOL
Portland - assumes Camby leaves + batum doesn't re-sign (he's gonna get $8 mil)

Teams that make no sense as they have a younger/better SF
Indiana
Philly
Portland
Denver
Boston
Utah
Houston (they love buddinger/patterson or wtvr)

Teams that make no sense at all since they not close to being a contender
Charlotte
GSW
toronto
Sacramento
Cleveland
Washington

That leaves NJN, which won't do it for obvious reasons and Phx. Phx would need a commitment from Nash, but I also don't think they want to bring him back.

Boston and Houston might be potential candidates in theory, but I still doubt Houston helps Dallas land Deron/Dwight. Boston would be contingent on him playing the 4, I suppose. But I think they go into full rebuild.

So, basically, I'm not seeing it. Maybe to the Lakers for the TPE?
 
Kobe Bryant is experiencing further symptoms from his broken nose incident & was sent for an MRI & to see a neurologist.
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Totally overblown. Wade barely touched him.
 
Black Mamba said:
uh...you got your shit wrong. Ignoring the draft picks you forget...

Teams without cap room:
GSW - assumes Rush is left to leave and low draft pick
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Warriors will have ~$8-10million even if they give Rush a qualifying offer (which I assume they will). $4million more if they don't.
 
Branduil said:
Houston tried to help the Lakers get CP3, and that was a worse deal for them than Marion for nothing.
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Yeah, houston wanted to have Pau + Nene with their team and believes LA was giving up a lot to get CP3.

They were improving a lot, according to their view, and were willing to bet on beating the lakers. marion won't do that for their team.

Warriors will have ~$8-10million even if they give Rush a qualifying offer (which I assume they will). $4million more if they don't.
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Yeah, but Marion will make more with his trade kicker. And Rush will want a better contract, I imagine. though, might get the MLE value.
 
pilonv1 said:
Foot sprain I think. But who cares now, just needs to be shut down and start the tank.
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Here's the injury

http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2012/02/28/stephen-curry-out-charles-jenkins-in/

Warriors point guard Stephen Curry tried out his injured right foot before the game. By the end of his workout, he was on board with the popular decision for him to rest.

CURRY: “I agreed after I tried and couldn’t do it.”

So Curry, who sprained the deltoid ligament in his right foot last Wednesday at Phoenix, is out for tonight’s road trip opener at Indiana. Coach Mark Jackson, who called Curry a long shot after Curry didn’t participate in the morning shootaround, tabbed Charles Jenkins to start. Jenkins was the starter when Curry missed eight straight games earlier this season.

Curry said doctors told him he would be out a week. So Thursday is the day they recommended he return. Curry would have played Wednesday (or at least lobbied Jackson to let him play) had the pregame workout gone well. But Curry said he has one more hurdle to clear – the plant and pivot.

The consensus is he won’t play until he’s fully recovered.

MARK JACKSON: “It’s the right thing to do. You’ve got to use wisdom and make sure he’s 100 percent healthy.”
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Black Mamba said:
Yeah, houston wanted to have Pau + Nene with their team and believes LA was giving up a lot to get CP3.

They were improving a lot, according to their view, and were willing to bet on beating the lakers. marion won't do that for their team.
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Marion for nothing is a way better deal than Pau for Scola, Martin, Dragic, and a 1st.
 
Branduil said:
Nene wasn't part of the deal. They would have still had to convince him to sign there in free agency.
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It was a done deal according to all the accounts I've read. Which is why they were doing the deal.


Hip hop artist Nicki Minaj took a shot at Chris Bosh in her latest song. Minaj's track "Roman Reloaded" featuring Lil' Wayne has a line that makes fun of Chris Bosh for infamously crying after the Heat lost in the NBA Finals to the Mavericks last year.

You can check out a full, no-DJ, NSFW-lyrics stream of the song at Stereogum, if you're so inclined. The line in question starts at the 1:15 mark of the track. While I'm no Rap Genius, it sounds like Minaj says, "I hear the slick s*** / B****, you wash / All you hoes cryin' / Christopher Bosh." Which just seems like a rude thing to say, if you ask me.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...cki-minaj-makes-fun-chris-bosh-210218288.html
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Poor Bosh. Being insulted by someone with less talent than Johnny Flynn.
 
Basketball Reasons said:
i want you to reenact that play with your friends where you are kobe.
let's see if you get an broken nose and concussion.
report back your findings.
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I've been in fights and gotten hit harder than that without any of those injuries. Hell I've inadvertantly taken a M9 muzzle to the face without more than a fucking bruise.
 
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