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2012 NBA Playoffs |OT2| OKC VS LA: Black on Black Crime

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DY_nasty said:
I'd love to see him continue his current pace, and win games, without three amazing players sharing the court.
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I hate this statement so much.

With that logic more than half the people in the hall of fame shouldn't be in there. It's not his fault he has good teammates. Him having good teammates doesn't mean anything either.

Ramon Sessions is stinking it up in LA despite playing with Kobe, Pau and Bynum. Chalmers is nothing more than a cheerleader on the court and he has LeBron, Wade and Bosh.

I'm not saying he's a surefire HoF, but to basically disqualify him because he's been lucky enough to play with some great teammates is ridiculous.
 
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tc farks said:
Haha. I act like a Heat fan. What does that even mean. Anyway.
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It means posting ESPN stats instead of actually talking about what's going on in the game.

And Granger's biggest strength = being a spot up shooter just....

I can't
 
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tc farks

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DY_nasty said:
It means posting ESPN stats instead of actually talking about what's going on in the game.

And Granger's biggest strength = being a spot up shooter just....

I can't
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I don't just post ESPN stats, and I talk about what's going on in the game. Don't get mad that I add statistical analysis to back up my claims.

And yes, undeniably, Granger scores most effectively by being a spot-up shooter. Without a doubt. Please provide proof otherwise. Oh wait, you can't...
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Rob N Banks said:
I hate this statement so much.

With that logic more than half the people in the hall of fame shouldn't be in there. It's not his fault he has good teammates. Him having good teammates doesn't mean anything either.

Ramon Sessions is stinking it up in LA despite playing with Kobe, Pau and Bynum. Chalmers is nothing more than a cheerleader on the court and he has LeBron, Wade and Bosh.

I'm not saying he's a surefire HoF, but to basically disqualify him because he's been lucky enough to play with some great teammates is ridiculous.
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No, maybe half the players in the Hall of Fame really shouldn't be in there. Role players (2nd to 4th options) on title teams get hugely overrated (like Rondo is now) and get into the Hall (like he will) for having rings and being on TV all the time.
 
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Rob N Banks said:
I hate this statement so much.

With that logic more than half the people in the hall of fame shouldn't be in there. It's not his fault he has good teammates. Him having good teammates doesn't mean anything either.

Ramon Sessions is stinking it up in LA despite playing with Kobe, Pau and Bynum. Chalmers is nothing more than a cheerleader on the court and he has LeBron, Wade and Bosh.

I'm not saying he's a surefire HoF, but to basically disqualify him because he's been lucky enough to play with some great teammates is ridiculous.
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I'm not saying that he'd need to win a ring solo, but I'd at least like to see him pull a Jason Kidd and have his game translate without great players surrounding him. KG is a top 5 PF, Ray is the best shooter of this generation, Pierce is an outstanding wing - I'd like to see that he can "Nash" it at least.

I don't think he can though.

A PG with that kind of offensive deficiency... its pretty damning when its not covered up.
 
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The problem with Granger driving, which looks great at times, is his TO rate shoots up significantly when he does so. Vogel plays Granger how he does because he's COY material, not because he's wrong for doing so.
 
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DY_nasty

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tc farks said:
I don't just post ESPN stats, and I talk about what's going on in the game. Don't get mad that I add statistical analysis to back up my claims.

And yes, undeniably, Granger scores most effectively by being a spot-up shooter. Without a doubt. Please provide proof otherwise. Oh wait, you can't...
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Dude, you went 4 fucking pages before even speaking on the game. First thing you posted was how the Pacers have won more games in this year's playoffs than Miami - fucking DUH bro.

All anyone remembers is you being all butthurt when I said your ugly ass offense is fucking ugly and painful to watch for anyone who's not forced to swallow that ugly shit and pretend its "good".

Granger, a mobile 6'8 SF/PF who's a mismatch for most of the league in the same way that Carmelo is, spotting up for 3s is what you want?

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tc farks said:
The problem with Granger driving, which looks great at times, is his TO rate shoots up significantly when he does so. Vogel plays Granger how he does because he's COY material, not because he's wrong for doing so.
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He doesn't even need to drive. He just needs to not sit in the corner and make people guard him. He's not Jodie f'n Meeks.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
No, maybe half the players in the Hall of Fame really shouldn't be in there. Role players (2nd to 4th options) on title teams get hugely overrated (like Rondo is now) and get into the Hall (like he will) for having rings and being on TV all the time.
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Second options don't count either?

Wow..some people have some harsh standards. Sounds like you think they aren't important to the teams success.
 
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Rob N Banks said:
Second options don't count either?

Wow..some people have some harsh standards. Sounds like you think they aren't important to the teams success.
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That's why is the Hall of Fame maybe?

Pistons championship team may not have a single member go to the hall.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Rob N Banks said:
Second options don't count either?

Wow..some people have some harsh standards. Sounds like you think they aren't important to the teams success.
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No, they obviously do, but a ton of guys in the Hall of Fame aren't any better than guys who never came close to making it. The role players in the Hall just had ridiculously great teammates (or were in big markets) while the great role players who aren't in the Hall of Fame did not have ridiculously great teammates (or played in small markets).
 
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DY_nasty said:
Dude, you went 4 fucking pages before even speaking on the game. First thing you posted was how the Pacers have won more games in this year's playoffs than Miami - fucking DUH bro.

All anyone remembers is you being all butthurt when I said your ugly ass offense is fucking ugly and painful to watch for anyone who's not forced to swallow that ugly shit and pretend its "good".

Granger, a mobile 6'8 SF/PF who's a mismatch for most of the league in the same way that Carmelo is, spotting up for 3s is what you want?

ahem

UGH
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Dude, the only one who gets butthurt here is you. I keep giving you legitimate replies and all you can come back with is a lame insult. I use verifiable sources to back up my claims on what they do offensively. You just ramble and ignore evidence to the contrary. OMG stats bro talk about THE GAME. Please.

And yet again you prove your ignorance on Granger. The guy is an amazing spot-up shooter. His drives are marred by constantly going with his right hand every time and his TO rate shoots through the roof because he struggles at getting the ball back out when stopped. I do like seeing him drive when he's in control, and more FT's are always good, but he has ugly stretches with doing so. Same as Paul George, who's even much farther back than Granger.

When he's on effectively he's a more balanced player, but his main strength will always be spot-up shooting, unequivocally.
 
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Grover Cleveland said:
Magic said that the Celtics were playing with championship hunger.

Is losing double digit leads to the eight seed in the East the mark of a champion?
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DY_nasty

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tc farks said:
Dude, the only one who gets butthurt here is you. I keep giving you legitimate replies and all you can come back with is a lame insult. I use verifiable sources to back up my claims on what they do offensively. You just ramble and ignore evidence to the contrary. OMG stats bro talk about THE GAME. Please.

And yet again you prove your ignorance on Granger. The guy is an amazing spot-up shooter. His drives are marred by constantly going with his right hand every time and his TO rate shoots through the roof because he struggles at getting the ball back out when stopped. I do like seeing him drive when he's in control, and more FT's are always good, but he has ugly stretches with doing so. Same as Paul George, who's even much farther back than Granger.

When he's on effectively he's a more balanced player, but his main strength will always be spot-up shooting, unequivocally.
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How is "Danny Granger is best utilized as a spot up shooter" worth anything less than an insult? There is more to basketball than spot vs drive. I never said he should drive the paint like Carmelo. I said that him not taking advantage of the fact that so few in the league have the tools to guard him physically is nothing more than a testament to Vogel's inability as a coach.

And no, you say that offense is effective - I say its ugly as fuck. Almost everyone who's seen it says its ugly as fuck.
 
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I was going to post that I was 100% sure Philly was going to win after the 21-5 start.
 
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