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2012 NBA Playoffs |OT2| OKC VS LA: Black on Black Crime

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Sho_Nuff82

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Jeremy Lin's agent: Fuck da Knicks.

ESPN said:
Jeremy Lin will be a restricted free agent this summer, and many see it as a foregone conclusion that the point guard will return to the New York Knicks, but not everyone feels so strongly.

"I don't expect that. We're not anticipating that's going to happen. We don't have assurances of anything," Lin's agent, Roger Montgomery, said in an interview with the New York Post. "I know history shows most restricted free agents go back to their team, but I'm not going to assume anything. We're waiting to see what happens."

Knicks coach Mike Woodson said earlier this month that Lin will "absolutely" be back with the Knicks next season. But Lin, speaking the day after the Knicks' season-ending loss to Miami in the playoffs, said "nothing is set in stone" regarding his free agency.

"There's always going to be uncertainty until the final contract is signed, so definitely nothing is set in stone," Lin said. "Nothing's set in stone until it's really written."
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B. Diddy/Bibby future.

Knicks will match any offer unless someone throws a retarded deal his way.

giga said:
I thought he gave up his eto.
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Which really just means that we get another 6 months of Dwight "will he? won't he?" drama next year again, and the Magic will be worse than they were this year.
 
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sf2fanatic

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KingGondo said:
His contract expires after next season.

I think he'll take Ginobili-level money to stay: $11 million/year to play with your friends and compete for chips year-in, year-out.

Re-sign Ibaka for $8-9 million/year and we're set.

The owners have said they're willing to pay the tax to keep the core together.
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I take Harden over here in a sec.. We need a Big Game James 2.0 version
 
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MorisUkunRasik

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Noriega said:
No surprise here, but Stan Van Gundy gone as HC of the Magic.


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Vahagn

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Mamba

I see what you're saying but the problem is that Pau wasn't assertive all game. When he plays the way he did in game 7 of the Denever series or all throughout the 2009-2010 playoffs it doesn't come down to Kobe having to ball hog. Pau Gasol just plays the game passively and oh can tell which Pau is gonna show up by the first quarter

Kobe played poorly in the fourth but Pau's lack of aggression all game is a problem IMO. He's been unhappy all year with his role and you can see it in his inconsistent effort and constant whiny ass face during every foul call or TO...he just doesn't have the same fire he used to and that's a problem.
 
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Mxrz

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Not sure what to think yet, but Otis and SVG gone was a long time coming. Its not like Dwight was the only one who wanted a change. Hopefully he'll man up and sign this summer and not drag shit out again.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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Vahagn said:
Mamba

I see what you're saying but the problem is that Pau wasn't assertive all game. When he plays the way he did in game 7 of the Denever series or all throughout the 2009-2010 playoffs it doesn't come down to Kobe having to ball hog. Pau Gasol just plays the game passively and oh can tell which Pau is gonna show up by the first quarter

Kobe played poorly in the fourth but Pau's lack of aggression all game is a problem IMO. He's been unhappy all year with his role and you can see it in his inconsistent effort and constant whiny ass face during every foul call or TO...he just doesn't have the same fire he used to and that's a problem.
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When you are paying a guy $20 million a year you shouldn't have to worry about whether or not he's going to come out aggressive. Even Kobe, in his advanced age and struggling with age and injuries, you know he's going to bring it. The problem for this team is on paper, we have 3 of the better players in the league, but in reality, our 2 and 3 guys are probably more inconsistent than any others in the league.
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Mxrz said:
Not sure what to think yet, but Otis and SVG gone was a long time coming. Its not like Dwight was the only one who wanted a change. Hopefully he'll man up and sign this summer and not drag shit out again.
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Fuck that. Dwight is gone. I hope Orlando brings somebody in who will try and somehow succeed at blowing it up. Like Donnie.
 
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Black Mamba

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Vahagn said:
Mamba

I see what you're saying but the problem is that Pau wasn't assertive all game. When he plays the way he did in game 7 of the Denever series or all throughout the 2009-2010 playoffs it doesn't come down to Kobe having to ball hog. Pau Gasol just plays the game passively and oh can tell which Pau is gonna show up by the first quarter

Kobe played poorly in the fourth but Pau's lack of aggression all game is a problem IMO. He's been unhappy all year with his role and you can see it in his inconsistent effort and constant whiny ass face during every foul call or TO...he just doesn't have the same fire he used to and that's a problem.
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Pau is a fascilitator in the offense. He played fine the 1st 3 quarters when he was actually passed the ball a bit.

When Kobe does what he did, the entire team stands around doing nothing. Lakers were up 13 before Kobe came back in with 8 min left. They scored 3 FG until OKC took the lead from that point on. The offense was fine with Pau out there without Kobe.

kobe had at least 3 chances to give pau the ball on PnR in the 4th prior to when he did do it and didn't each time. You can talk about aggressiveness all you want, but when Kobe does everything himself, everyone else will stop. And I'm not going to blame Pau for that. Ballhogging will kill every team.

Also in game 7, Pau was...get this, given the ball, too. Those offensive rebounds aren't possible in the 4th against Hero ball. offensive rebounds came in game 7 was penetration and forcing Denver to help, leading to lanes for Pau/Drew to fill on the boards. Kobe shooting contested 20 footers doesn't create those. And Pau had no reason to post up, Kobe wasn't passing it. Just ask Andrew.

Pau fucked up with his pass. no doubt. But it was because of how Kobe played that he screwed up. Period. I put 100% the blame on him. 3 FGs in 8 minutes and he had the ball in his hands 90% of the time. Explain it some other way.
 
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Prototype-03

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Black Mamba said:
Pau is a fascilitator in the offense. He played fine the 1st 3 quarters when he was actually passed the ball a bit.

When Kobe does what he did, the entire team stands around doing nothing. Lakers were up 13 before Kobe came back in with 8 min left. They scored 3 FG until OKC took the lead from that point on. The offense was fine with Pau out there without Kobe.

kobe had at least 3 chances to give pau the ball on PnR in the 4th prior to when he did do it and didn't each time. You can talk about aggressiveness all you want, but when Kobe does everything himself, everyone else will stop. And I'm not going to blame Pau for that. Ballhogging will kill every team.

Also in game 7, Pau was...get this, given the ball, too. Those offensive rebounds aren't possible in the 4th against Hero ball. offensive rebounds came in game 7 was penetration and forcing Denver to help, leading to lanes for Pau/Drew to fill on the boards. Kobe shooting contested 20 footers doesn't create those. And Pau had no reason to post up, Kobe wasn't passing it. Just ask Andrew.

Pau fucked up with his pass. no doubt. But it was because of how Kobe played that he screwed up. Period. I put 100% the blame on him. 3 FGs in 8 minutes and he had the ball in his hands 90% of the time. Explain it some other way.
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He didn't want game 2 to happen again.

Oh wait...
 
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Black Mamba said:
Pau is a fascilitator in the offense. He played fine the 1st 3 quarters when he was actually passed the ball a bit.

When Kobe does what he did, the entire team stands around doing nothing. Lakers were up 13 before Kobe came back in with 8 min left. They scored 3 FG until OKC took the lead from that point on. The offense was fine with Pau out there without Kobe.

kobe had at least 3 chances to give pau the ball on PnR in the 4th prior to when he did do it and didn't each time. You can talk about aggressiveness all you want, but when Kobe does everything himself, everyone else will stop. And I'm not going to blame Pau for that. Ballhogging will kill every team.

Also in game 7, Pau was...get this, given the ball, too. Those offensive rebounds aren't possible in the 4th against Hero ball. offensive rebounds came in game 7 was penetration and forcing Denver to help, leading to lanes for Pau/Drew to fill on the boards. Kobe shooting contested 20 footers doesn't create those. And Pau had no reason to post up, Kobe wasn't passing it. Just ask Andrew.

Pau fucked up with his pass. no doubt. But it was because of how Kobe played that he screwed up. Period. I put 100% the blame on him. 3 FGs in 8 minutes and he had the ball in his hands 90% of the time. Explain it some other way.
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Freaking THIS. You remember that last game we won against OKC during the regular season? Yup, kobe played PnR with WORST GASOL too and gues what? He scored. I don't know man, lakers should say screw it. Relegate bynum back to a defensive role or force kobe to play with Bynum for the first time ever.

I rarely see kobe pass the ball to bynum. What happened to that one time kobe trusted bynum in the post during the closing minutes like he did against boston during the regular season? Agh! This team! I feel like we could have beat this OKC team if kobe wasn't going after legacies in the fourth quarter.
 
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Justin Timberlake

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I don't know how anybody can watch that 4th quarter and blame Pau. Kobe has some voodoo charm on Laker fans that I'll never understand.

That was one of the most selfish quarters of basketball I have ever witnessed

And trust me

I have watched a lot of Kobe Bryant
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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Justin Timberlake said:
I don't know how anybody can watch that 4th quarter and blame Pau. Kobe has some voodoo charm on Laker fans that I'll never understand.

That was one of the most selfish quarters of basketball I have ever witnessed

And trust me

I have watched a lot of Kobe Bryant
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This isn't just about a one quarter problem though. This is a continual issue with Pau. He isn't aggressive enough, he is soft, he makes dumb decisions, he wilts when going against weaker opponents. It's time to get rid of him. Nobody is denying that Kobe was horrible but Kobe isn't going to be traded. He is the alpha male and Pau is the jilted female who is no longer useful.
 
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Emwitus

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ClovingSteam said:
This isn't just about a one quarter problem though. This is a continual issue with Pau. He isn't aggressive enough, he is soft, he makes dumb decisions, he wilts when going against weaker opponents. It's time to get rid of him. Nobody is denying that Kobe was horrible but Kobe isn't going to be traded. He is the alpha male and Pau is the jilted female who is no longer useful.
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People have been saying that about pau way before he was traded to the lakers. You say it like it's something new. Even when they lost to boston in 08 he was considered soft. The issue now is not used the same way offensively as he has been in the past.


Here is a piece on espn. Saying they gave up a bit since "PAU is SOFT"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j9nsqv9m6M

Didn't stop kobe from riding him to 3 straight finals.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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Emwitus said:
People have been saying that about pau way before he was traded to the lakers. You say it like it's something new. Even when they lost to boston in 08 he was considered soft. The issue now is not used the same way offensively as he has been in the past.
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No. The issue is he's older, he's softer, and he's a huge weight on our payroll.
 
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Black Mamba

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ClovingSteam said:
This isn't just about a one quarter problem though. This is a continual issue with Pau. He isn't aggressive enough, he is soft, he makes dumb decisions, he wilts when going against weaker opponents. It's time to get rid of him. Nobody is denying that Kobe was horrible but Kobe isn't going to be traded. He is the alpha male and Pau is the jilted female who is no longer useful.
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No way the Lakers can replace Pau's production. Pau has been fine. Most of the Laker losses this season have come as a result of Kobe chucking it away selfishly. Indy, Philly, Nuggets, etc.

Pau is the 3rd option. he plays the facilitator role and does it well. Unless we get a real legit PG to take over that role, who else will be able to do it? Sure, if we can get Deron i get rid of Pau. But other than that, what realistic option is out there that makes the team better right now?


No. The issue is he's older, he's softer, and he's a huge weight on our payroll.
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Not sure how many times I have to say it, but payroll is not an issue.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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Emwitus said:
People have been saying that about pau way before he was traded to the lakers. You say it like it's something new. Even when they lost to boston in 08 he was considered soft. The issue now is not used the same way offensively as he has been in the past.


Here is a piece on espn. Saying they gave up a bit since "PAU is SOFT"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j9nsqv9m6M

Didn't stop kobe from riding him to 3 straight finals.
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What is so difficult for you to realize that Pau isn't the player he was back then? That he isn't as valuable as Kobe, both as a player and a commodity for the Lakers? It's time to get rid of him while the Lakers can.
 
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Emwitus

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ClovingSteam said:
No. The issue is he's older, he's softer, and he's a huge weight on our payroll.
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What does that even mean? Btw, his averaging more assists than anyone else on the team. I guess that's what poor decision making gets you. Everyone gets old but we are losing this series cause of kobe. Last year was fair game, but this year pau has been consistent.


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What is so difficult for you to realize that Pau isn't the player he was back then? That he isn't as valuable as Kobe, both as a player and a commodity for the Lakers? It's time to get rid of him while the Lakers can.
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And if by saying "back then" you mean not getting as many touches........then sure.
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Rob N Banks said:
Can't believe the Magic chose Dwight over SVG.

Too bad Dwight won't be there by ASG next season.
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It's Doc Rivers all over again.

There was absolutely no reason to fire SVG at this point. At least let the next front office come in and decide whether or not SVG should stay. This was a decision not made for basketball reasons, it was only done to appease Dwight.
 
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DY_nasty

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Emwitus said:
What does that even mean? Btw, his averaging more assists than anyone else on the team. I guess that's what poor decision making gets you. Everyone gets old but we are losing this series cause of kobe. Last year was fair game, but this year pau has been consistent.


EDIT: And if by in the past you mean not getting as many touches........then sure.
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do you not know what soft means?

No one said anything about his passing either.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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Emwitus said:
What does that even mean? Btw, his averaging more assists than anyone else on the team. I guess that's what poor decision making gets you. Everyone gets old but we are losing this series cause of kobe. Last year was fair game, but this year pau has been consistent.


EDIT: And if by in the past you mean not getting as many touches........then sure.
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So what do you want to do? Hold onto Pau until kingdom come? Hold on to Bynum until kingdom come? Have fun with that. You move a player before he begins his ultimate decline where he isn't able to garner interest. Pau is getting close to that point. I don't want to wait until its too late. Whether it means draft picks, younger players who have potential, etc., I want to get something for him that helps the Lakers prepare for the future. Lakers aren't winning shit with this squad. It's time to move on.
 
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Liquidsnake

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Black Mamba said:
It's entirely on Kobe. Kobe broke the team's rhythm in the 4th. Pau didn't touch the ball once until then. That's why he fucked up. basketball is a rhythm game, You can't hog the ball for 6 minutes then make a pass and expect a player who needs touches to suddenly be ready.

I said this the night after the game and then Magic called Kobe out for exactly that yesterday. You can't freeze out a main player then suddenly expect him to do shit. He's already out of the flow.
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You blame Kobe for everything. Its all on Pau, I would trade hime for a pack of skittles at this point. 18 mil per year. SMMFH
 
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Emwitus

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ClovingSteam said:
So what do you want to do? Hold onto Pau until kingdom come? Hold on to Bynum until kingdom come? Have fun with that. You move a player before he begins his ultimate decline where he isn't able to garner interest. Pau is getting close to that point. I don't want to wait until its too late. Whether it means draft picks, younger players who have potential, etc., I want to get something for him that helps the Lakers prepare for the future. Lakers aren't winning shit with this squad. It's time to move on.
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Fair point. I'm pretty sure other teams will be lining up to get a player like pau. Especially the bulls,celtics or even okc.
 
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