Naw, thats not fair to the Magic. They deserve some competence for the first time in 5 years.
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2012 NBA Playoffs |OT2| OKC VS LA: Black on Black Crime
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Naw, thats not fair to the Magic. They deserve some competence for the first time in 5 years.
RedAssedApe
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Knux-Future
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To be fair before the Melo move, His plan was seemingly working...then he got Dolan'd for Melo and was too old for that shit.
ClovingWestbrook
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Hush, I love B.Shaw and I'd like to see him get a head coaching position.
Also, Walsh is better than what they had and he did help the Knicks in a few ways
The plan was fine until the mcgrady deal IMO.
And my wishlist is still
Shaw
SVG
JVG
Stephanie Ready
Red Blaster
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You'll get Pat Ewing and like it
I'll get your mom and like it
You'll like the idea of what you did, but not the act.
Red Blaster
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Nope. Pau has been a complete bitch and attempting that pass while that wide open was pathetic and indefensible. Did I mention stupid?
One can't say that he would've hit the game winner, but you can definitively state that Kevin Durant hit the game winner off of that ridiculous turnover.
I wish we would have kept Donnie but of course, in Knicks tradition, we have to get rid of everything good.
Bring in Donnie and Shaw, trade Dwight for someone who isn't a diva and maybe some draft picks and Orlando will be scary in 3-4 years.
CrookedRain
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sf2fanatic
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Send this to Buss. ASAP. Shaw is ready!!
Bobcats will get Barnes with the 1st pick, and sign Eric Musselman.
You will then get a 10% durability penalty on your equipment
cuevas. PhD.
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LOL Yep.
t.
KAIO KEN TIMES 3!!!!
RedAssedApe
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You sound like Kobe. Granted it was a huge mistake, the Laker's problems started long before Paul turned the ball over.
Syphon Filter
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prepare to come home bro.
i see what you did there
Black Mamba
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It's what happens when you ignore someone on offense for that long. Basketball is too rhythm based for players to simply ignore someone as good as him for so long.
Liquidsnake
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ThisWreckage
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Kobe lost them game two and Kobe imploded in game four. Gasol's descent can partly be blamed on Brown. He wants Gasol to be a Boris Diaw type player and that is absurd.
Also, people keep on saying that Gasol is going to be traded, but I can't imagine too many teams taking on his contract, if any. He's possibly more valuable on the Lakers than he is off the Lakers just because of the stigma he has.
cuevas. PhD.
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We know he's good with his fingers...
Liquidsnake
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Mike Browns Coaching has been absurd.
His offense looks like a disaster.
His praise as a defensive mind is suspect at least.
RedAssedApe
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Its so sad that a guy so skilled as Pau has pretty much been turned into a jump shooter.
If it's a choice between a top player and a top coach, then the coach can go take a hike.
Always.
ThisWreckage
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He can't do but so much. They have one of the worst benches in the NBA.
ClovingWestbrook
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Sure, if you have that player under contract long term.
Raging Spaniard
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lol again with the soft thing.
Maybe if Kobe would stop giving the ball to OKC in the final 2 minutes you wouldnt have this problem.
Soft players dont have good offensive rebounding numbers or as many blocks as he does, fact.
He does have unfortunate looks though.
Maybe if Kobe would stop giving the ball to OKC in the final 2 minutes you wouldnt have this problem.
Soft players dont have good offensive rebounding numbers or as many blocks as he does, fact.
He does have unfortunate looks though.
If Dwight leaves? Tank and try again in 3-4 years. In that scenario SVG isn't sticking around anyway.
Pau Gasol went 4-10 and had 5 rebounds. Your starting PF had 5 rebounds, and shot 40% from the field and he's not to blame?
Enough with this "ball hogging" bullshit easy ass explanation. It's Pau's responsibility to get in there, bang, and get rebounds, it's Pau's responsibility to learn how to attack a double team or create opportunities for himself.
There's this weird thing with Kobe where we take him putting 100% effort into every game as a given and don't give him any credit for it. We just look at field goal percentages and judge him primarily squarely on that. It's absurd and needs to stop. Pau Gasol shouldn't be judged on his production, because his effort itself is so damn porous (5 REBOUNDS?) that his production shouldn't mean anything.
Jordan shot 15-35 in game 6 of the 1998 finals. He balhogged his ass off all game, shot poorly and if he missed that shot would have been the reason they lost the game. Except, he wouldn't have been for the simple fact that you can't question his effort.
When everyone on the Lakers, people who have played HALF the minutes in their careers that Kobe has put the same type of effort in the game that Kobe does in terms of doing the basic things they're responsible for, then we can talk about production. But when Pau's effort can't match Kobe's, we shouldn't be talking about production here Mamba.
Kobe played poorly in the fourth, but his offensive effectiveness in the first 3 is the main reason they had the lead in the first place
Sidenote: This is particularly why the Lebron late game FG% numbers are so irrelevant, the dude shy's away from late game situations often and doesn't take any shots, his effort level drops way down and he just stands around. Pau is very much the same way and it's not excusable.
Enough with this "ball hogging" bullshit easy ass explanation. It's Pau's responsibility to get in there, bang, and get rebounds, it's Pau's responsibility to learn how to attack a double team or create opportunities for himself.
There's this weird thing with Kobe where we take him putting 100% effort into every game as a given and don't give him any credit for it. We just look at field goal percentages and judge him primarily squarely on that. It's absurd and needs to stop. Pau Gasol shouldn't be judged on his production, because his effort itself is so damn porous (5 REBOUNDS?) that his production shouldn't mean anything.
Jordan shot 15-35 in game 6 of the 1998 finals. He balhogged his ass off all game, shot poorly and if he missed that shot would have been the reason they lost the game. Except, he wouldn't have been for the simple fact that you can't question his effort.
When everyone on the Lakers, people who have played HALF the minutes in their careers that Kobe has put the same type of effort in the game that Kobe does in terms of doing the basic things they're responsible for, then we can talk about production. But when Pau's effort can't match Kobe's, we shouldn't be talking about production here Mamba.
Kobe played poorly in the fourth, but his offensive effectiveness in the first 3 is the main reason they had the lead in the first place
Sidenote: This is particularly why the Lebron late game FG% numbers are so irrelevant, the dude shy's away from late game situations often and doesn't take any shots, his effort level drops way down and he just stands around. Pau is very much the same way and it's not excusable.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
If you're asking for players to match Jordan and Kobes effort levels, you may be exaggerating juuust a tad.
Black Mamba
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please. He's made all the right adjustments so far. The offense has been fine until Kobe goes into chuck mode. The only time they ran a non-Kobe play is after a timeout when Bynum got it. Kobe keeps calling off the plays they're supposed to run.
Mike Brown's only problem is not be able to call Kobe out for breaking the offense. They had what, 90 points with 8 minutes to go in the game? yeah, their offense is sooo bad!
it's the end of game hero ball that Kobe insists on playing that is killing the team/
ClovingWestbrook
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When is he a free agent? I want to put some cash aside for his Lakers jersey.
Liquidsnake
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Its been this way for two years now. 18 Million GAF. 18 Million!!!!!!!!!!!
Black Mamba
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What a load of horseshit. The Lakers dominated the boards in that game. 18 offensive rebounds. outrebounded them by 4 (despite shooting much worse) and 4 more team rebounds. Pau had only 5 boards, but he was helping a lot on D (had 3 off rebounds) and was clearing space for teammates to board. They did not lose this game on the defensive glass and Pau had 3 offensive rebounds.
Pau gave great effort in that game on the defensive side and facilitating for 3 quarters. I remember him posted up on Durant and Kobe waiving him off. So don't give me this bullshit about being more aggressive. He wasn't allowed to be except for 1 play.
Kobe checked in with a 13 point lead in the 4th. They lost by 3. Kobe took nearly every 4 quarter shot and almost never passed. He stopped playing how he did for 3 quarters.
Liquidsnake
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I wish.
All kidding aside. Is tonight a 24 point blow out?
What an off season it will be for LA. This team will look nothing like it does now come next Nov.
Two years in a row bounced in the second round. Not used to this. It hurts.
Black Mamba
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The Lakers dominated the boards. Pau had nothing to do with it? You don't have to actually grab the rebound to be a part of your team's rebounding success.
brown has his problems. But this series, he's done everything right. All the adjustments he made worked. Kobe undid them twice in this series by himself.
How is 10 and 5 aggressive? Kobe played hero ball for 8 minutes? What about the other 40 minutes? I just watched Lakersmedia.com highlights of the game and didn't see a single aggressive offensive move by Pau all game. He got one offensive rebound for a dunk, and got another pass right under the rim, but at no time all game did he catch the ball and look to make a play for himself.
Despite what you think, it's on Pau to keep attacking the offense and never stop coming. Again, Kobe shot poorly in the fourth, and he shot them out of the game. But the team did give up 32 points in the fourth on defense and Pau didn't make a single offensive aggressive move all game.
Tom Penny said:
So Pau's lack of effort and disappearing act in 4 or 5 games in the 2012 playoffs including game 4 of the Thunder series is justified by Kobe taking asshole shots? SMH
OKC is more talented team, and unlike previous years, they know how to win close games now, they beat the ultra clutch Championship Mavs team in 3 close games last series. This isn't a fluke. And neither is Kobe's dropoff in FG%. That's all to be expected. But Pau Gasol disappearing in games and being a non-factor and not even crashing the boards is a problem. Kobe had more boards than Pau, and 38 points, and 5 assists
Prototype-03
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The silver lining to the Lakers. Honestly, CP3 should have been on this roster.
Black Mamba
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How many times do you think he caught the ball? He had 10 points through 3 quarters, which is about his norm. He was given the ball once the entire 4th. And was open for passes numerous times which Kobe ignored. The previous 27 minutes he played? besides having the 10 points and 3 offensive rebounds, he got waived off when posting on Durant.
Would I like Pau to be more aggressive? Sure. But he's setting up Bynum for better looks, even if it's just with spacing. He's also played quite hard on defense. But he was completely frozen out of that game, again. And I called it out after game 3 in the 4th when I said Pau got no shots or touches and it was a bad sign.
At some point, you quit trying because you know you won't get it. Bynum had 2 shots in the 4th, one being a result of Kobe being forced to pass or step out of bounds. Go check out how he stopped posting up aggressively the same under 3 min in the game. He realized he wasn't going to get the ball, so he stopped trying as hard.
Kobe broke everyone's rhythm. They stood and watched him. That's on him. He runs the offense. He has to get people involved.
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