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2013 Feb NBA Season lOT| Controlling it like a man, bruh
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Tell me, have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Herpes Reasons
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please make it stop.
i'd rather watch justin bieber put on make up at this point.
i'd rather watch justin bieber put on make up at this point.
I'm glad you agree with me that the acoustic album is amazing.
I was hoping that you had said that as a joke in IRC. :/
wtf? I'm Armenian, that's incredibly offensive.
Reilo said:
Alright Dude. At no point in time, did you say it's fair to categorize Al Jefferson as more clutch than Lebron James, over any sample size of games, because of how well they respectively did on their FG% in the last 5 minutes of a game so far this season. I got it.
MorisUkunRasik
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Justin Timberlake
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Can we make the new thread a day early?
I just want to be done with this one.
I just want to be done with this one.
I said if the data supported the conclusion, then the person making that claim (READ: Another person) is being reasonable. Your original argument was that the person was wrong and always wrong based on, I don't know what.
What the fuck dude.
What the fuck dude.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
lol
My pants are more athletic than your pants.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
He did use IF
MorisUkunRasik
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My pants are more clutch.
Psychological Intellect
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2013 March NBA Season lOTl Al Jefferson is and will ALWAYS be more clutch than LeBron James
The Frankman
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*re-reads the last 3 pages*
ClovingWestbrook
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But do you buy your pants at Costco?
You didn't say "reasonable" you said something along the lines of "it's incorrect to assume that a conclusion based on data that hasn't been tampered with can possibly be incorrect"
Specifically in defense of the conclusion that Clutch = That one metric.
I said, it's an incorrect conclusion to draw to say that someone is or isn't more clutch simply because of a small sample size of FG% arbitrarily cherry picked in the last 5 minutes of a close game.
You basically gave free license to draw damn near any conclusion you or someone else subjectively deems "reasonable" based on any UN-tampered piece of data, regardless of how small a sample size, or the definitions used.
Justin Timberlake
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reilo if you respond to that I will never forgive you
ClovingWestbrook
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But who is babby?
It's still not an incorrect conclusion because you arbitrarily decided that the data wasn't satisfactory enough.
It's a reasonable conclusion to make BASED on the AVAILABLE data. All you're doing is making an inference on the AVAILABLE data and within the CONTEXT of that data.
It's a reasonable conclusion to make BASED on the AVAILABLE data. All you're doing is making an inference on the AVAILABLE data and within the CONTEXT of that data.
The Frankman
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dammit reilo you said you quit!
MorisUkunRasik
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reilo....come on dawg. You can't defeat vahagn's iron clad logic and reason.
IRC isn't a joke.
You should hang around when i'm on and posting new kpop for Nori-Chan. Best of times.
He's in the chat right now fool.
Knux-Future
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We finally get on sportscenter and it due to Doug dropping ether on the team...lol
Black Mamba
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Relio, every single one of us agree you are correct. Ignore him, please.
Reilo said:
Here's why you're wrong.
For the last fucking time, reaching a conclusion that says "Player A is more clutch in any given period of time than player B because Player A converts at a higher FG% in the last 5 minutes of a close game" has within it a hidden premise - That hidden premise being something along the lines of "The Definition of Clutch is FG% in the last 5 minutes of a close game"
You can absolutely "argue a conclusion based on available data is somehow factually wrong" by pointing out that the hidden premise in that conclusion is actually factually wrong. That definition of "clutch" is a completely arbitrary definition that isn't factually accurate or irrefutable or full-proof. It is a subjective, arbitrary, assessment.
MorisUkunRasik
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This must be what hell is like.
Knux-Future
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stahp
Future PhaZe
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Monroe is awesome
It's wholly amazing. I can hear the squeaky wheel at this point.
Future PhaZe
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Wall sucks
I'm glad I introduced you to the concept of a hidden premise. Clearly, you had never heard of it before, or if you had, you hadn't actually understood it.
Since the hidden premise in that conclusion derived by that set of data was factually wrong, the conclusion being factually wrong isn't "my stupid fucking opinion."
"Being that the absolute, irrefutable definition of being "clutch" in the NBA is measured wholly as the percentage of field goal attempts that one converts in the final five minutes of a close game, and seeing that so far this season Al Jefferson has converted a higher % of his Field Goal Attempts in the final five minutes of a close game than Lebron James, it stands to reason that Al Jefferson is a more clutch player than Lebron James"
That conclusion, exposes the hidden premise used, and shows that the conclusion relies on a faulty premise, thus reaching a faulty conclusion. Your welcome.
Got another one!
MorisUkunRasik
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Lord, what have I done to deserve this?
Psychological Intellect
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lol, wasn't this supposed to be his breakout year?
so you don't know the difference between a hidden premise and a straw man do you?
Black Mamba
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MorisUkunRasik
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You don't know what a strawman is....do you?
MorisUkunRasik
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I'm not sure if Blackace hasn't locked us up because he loves us or if leaving this thing unlocked for now is our punishment.
#AceWorksInMysteriousWays
#AceWorksInMysteriousWays
Simply because he never actually acknowledged his own hidden premise required to reach that conclusion, doesn't mean that because I pointed it out, I created a straw man.
Explain to me how you can conclude that Player A is more clutch than Player B because they rank higher in FG% in the final five minutes without that hidden premise? That statistic isn't measuring clutchness, it's measuring FG% in the last 5 minutes which you are then arbitrarily DEFINING as clutchness, hence your hidden premise.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Larry Sanders might go second overall in a 2010 redraft, lol.
Higher volume referring to the fact that he's a bigger part of the Jazz's offense in the last few minutes and he gets more touches than in the other parts of the game.
I didn't argue that he was amazing either, just that he has a high skill level that translates to being able to volume score pretty effectively at the end of games and that gets praised hugely everywhere else regardless if it should (since there are good arguments to be made that clutch doesn't exist much if at all or if matters that much when other areas are lacking). He probably will never be on a serious contender because of his terrible defense so you can still argue he's in general an empty stats guy, but I think his touch, hands, and footwork are pretty special.
Whatever.