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[Truelize]

His ban will be for instigating the whole incident.

Hibberts for retaliation and escalation.

Good point.

And they couldn't only suspend Pacers players.

 

[thekad]

How is that a straw man? If you tell me that Player A is a better rebounder than Player B, I can derive a conclusion that says "If both are healthy, Player A should get more rebounds than player B for the remainder of the season"

If your premise was true, and the data was accurate, then the conclusion should also be true.


If you tell me that Player A is a more clutch player than player B, I can derive a conclusion that says "If both are healthy, Player A should be more clutch in the remainder of the season than player B". If your premise is wrong, because your data has a really small sample size for example, or because the conclusion you reached from your own data is flawed, then my own conclusion would be flawed too.

Damn you're dumb...

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I liked Kobe more when Vahagn wasn't here to explain to me why I should like him.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

Doug Collins should coach the Rockets.

 

[RedAssedApe]

"My mom was a little upset," Hibbert told the Star. "She said I should have walked away. It's unfortunate it happened. I watched the video and I saw there was a little kid that ran up out of his seat when all that happened.

"I apologize to the fans that were sitting courtside. We're a team that loves the fans and we don't want to scare them away."

good times

 

[Dominican Power]

Another sick LeBron pregame dunk.

Also

So a between the leg dunk is more amazing when LeBron is doing it?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Damn you're dumb...

That is like the first time you haven't been in character.

BTW, Kobe is better than MJ and you know this MAN!

 

[reilo]

That wasn't an "always" as in time. It was an always as in comparison. If you're viewing it as a time thing, then you can take the word out and it still makes the same point about the hidden assumption/incorrect premise.


It's like saying

Premise 1: Brenda collects Welfare


Conclusion: Brenda is lazy


The only way for that to be true, is for the hidden premise of "All people who collect welfare are lazy" to be true. Otherwise the conclusion is flawed. So the data is correct "Brenda collects welfare" but the conclusion isn't because of the faulty second premise.

What the fucking fuckery fuck?!

 

[The Frankman]

I would love to see an Opiate-Vahaghn-reilo-ClovingWestbrook discussion on sports clutchness.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

So a between the leg dunk is more amazing when LeBron is doing it?

It would be impressive in the dunk contest because it didn't take 14 tries.

 

[Dominican Power]

Again with the fucking Vahagn vortex?

 

[Black Mamba]

How is that a straw man? If you tell me that Player A is a better rebounder than Player B, I can derive a conclusion that says "If both are healthy, Player A should get more rebounds than player B for the remainder of the season"

If your premise was true, and the data was accurate, then the conclusion should also be true.


If you tell me that Player A is a more clutch player than player B, I can derive a conclusion that says "If both are healthy, Player A should be more clutch in the remainder of the season than player B". If your premise is wrong, because your data has a really small sample size for example, or because the conclusion you reached from your own data is flawed, then my own conclusion would be flawed too.





That wasn't an "always" as in time. It was an always as in comparison. If you're viewing it as a time thing, then you can take the word out and it still makes the same point about the hidden assumption/incorrect premise.


It's like saying

Premise 1: Brenda collects Welfare


Conclusion: Brenda is lazy


The only way for that to be true, is for the hidden premise of "All people who collect welfare are lazy" to be true. Otherwise the conclusion is flawed. So the data is correct "Brenda collects welfare" but the conclusion isn't because of the faulty second premise.

 

[reilo]

I would love to see an Opiate-Vahaghn-reilo-ClovingWestbrook discussion on sports clutchness.

I didn't even have that argument. I was just pointing out why Vaggy's idea that coming to a conclusion based on a given set of data is somehow wrong was a ridiculous proposition to make.

 

[Dominican Power]

It would be impressive in the dunk contest because it didn't take 14 tries.

Different story when there's pressure.

 

[Vahagn]

Explain to me why I'm wrong here.


FG% in the final 5 minutes is one statistic. Why you've decided it is the full proof piece of data to define "being clutch" and how that conclusion is full proof?

It doesn't make sense to me at all.

I didn't even have that argument. I was just pointing out why Vaggy's idea that coming to a conclusion based on a given set of data is somehow wrong was a ridiculous proposition to make.

If I showed you another set of data. Let's say FG% in the final 3 minutes of a game, and the order of the players was different. I have as much right to say "Player A is more clutch than player B" even if the data is completely reversed when you use 5 minutes, or 7 minutes, or 12 minutes?


You're pretending that the set of data you're using, is the definition of clutch when it isn't at all. Why am I wrong here?

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I fucking hate basketball.

 

[Blackace]

How is that a straw man? If you tell me that Player A is a better rebounder than Player B, I can derive a conclusion that says "If both are healthy, Player A should get more rebounds than player B for the remainder of the season"

If your premise was true, and the data was accurate, then the conclusion should also be true.


If you tell me that Player A is a more clutch player than player B, I can derive a conclusion that says "If both are healthy, Player A should be more clutch in the remainder of the season than player B". If your premise is wrong, because your data has a really small sample size for example, or because the conclusion you reached from your own data is flawed, then my own conclusion would be flawed too.





That wasn't an "always" as in time. It was an always as in comparison. If you're viewing it as a time thing, then you can take the word out and it still makes the same point about the hidden assumption/incorrect premise.


It's like saying

Premise 1: Brenda collects Welfare


Conclusion: Brenda is lazy


The only way for that to be true, is for the hidden premise of "All people who collect welfare are lazy" to be true. Otherwise the conclusion is flawed. So the data is correct "Brenda collects welfare" but the conclusion isn't because of the faulty second premise.

Fuck

You ask how was that a straw man and make an even bigger one in the same post

 

[reilo]

Hey guys, I invented a new game. Any time Vaggy posts, let's play "Where's the strawman?" I'll start:

FG% in the final 5 minutes is one statistic. Why you've decided it is the full proof piece of data to define "being clutch" and how that conclusion is full proof?

It doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

[Red Blaster]

Explain to me why I'm wrong here.


FG% in the final 5 minutes is one statistic. Why you've decided it is the full proof piece of data to define "being clutch" and how that conclusion is full proof?

It doesn't make sense to me at all.

you're wrong here because Kobe isn't even a Top 20 player anymore

 

[Blackace]

Explain to me why I'm wrong here.


FG% in the final 5 minutes is one statistic. Why you've decided it is the full proof piece of data to define "being clutch" and how that conclusion is full proof?

It doesn't make sense to me at all.

One player is putting the ball in the bucket at a higher percentage than another when his team needs it most

 

[Jeff-DSA]

One player is putting the ball in the bucket at a higher percentage than another when his team needs it most

You say it like that matters. What's next, turning the ball over will be frowned upon?

 

[Blackace]

Hey guys, I invented a new game. Any time Vaggy posts, let's play "Where's the strawman?" I'll start:

We could turn it into a drinking game for the suicidal

 

[giri]

I fucking hate basketball.

Vag should just have a 5 hour post limiter on his account.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Anybody want to know why I don't have MJ as the GOAT and instead have a top 5 tier? I'd be happy to explain it to you all again? I mean anything HAS to be better than this, right?

 

[Blackace]

You say it like that matters. What's next, turning the ball over will be frowned upon?

But does you player make douchebag faces during the last 5 mins of a close game?

 

[Red Blaster]

Anybody want to know why I don't have MJ as the GOAT and instead have a top 5 tier? I'd be happy to explain it to you all again? I mean anything HAS to be better than this, right?

cloving, the gaming side is calling

wiiu wiiu wiiu wiiu

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Anybody want to know why I don't have MJ as the GOAT and instead have a top 5 tier? I'd be happy to explain it to you all again? I mean anything HAS to be better than this, right?

Only if you're arguing for Stockton to be the true GOAT.

 

[giri]

Anybody want to know why I don't have MJ as the GOAT and instead have a top 5 tier? I'd be happy to explain it to you all again? I mean anything HAS to be better than this, right?

oh god no. Because that will just start kobe vs mj and hakeem vs kareem.

Welp.

i'm done here for today.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

But does you player make douchebag faces during the last 5 mins of a close game?

KobeJaw is one criteria for being clutch which is why Kobe is the most clutch.

 

[Vahagn]

You guys are claiming I'm putting up a straw man in one breath, and then making the same argument in the next.



Is FG% in the final 5 minutes of a close game the "definition of clutch" or not?


If it's not, why are you pretending that conclusions using only that data to define who is and who isn't more clutch is somehow a full proof argument?

 

[Blackace]

Anybody want to know why I don't have MJ as the GOAT and instead have a top 5 tier? I'd be happy to explain it to you all again? I mean anything HAS to be better than this, right?

That would be the 2nd Laker fan wrong in so many post

 

[Jeff-DSA]

But does you player make douchebag faces during the last 5 mins of a close game?

We're working on making that happen more often.

 

[exarkun]

Doug Collins should coach the Rockets.

Hmmm that would be interesting. Is that because we also hired a former TnT broadcaster or because you could argue that, like Collins, McHale will come to hate his team by the end of the season.

 

[reilo]

You guys are claiming I'm putting up a straw man in one breath, and then making the same argument in the next.



Is FG% in the final 5 minutes of a close game the "definition of clutch" or not?


If it's not, why are you pretending that conclusions using only that data to define who is and who isn't more clutch is somehow a fool proof argument?

Hahah, I just can't. You're so... hrmm, BA is around. Moving on.

 

[h3ro]

But does you player make douchebag faces during the last 5 mins of a close game?

 

[The Frankman]

Ok we got Cloving into it, c'mon reilo get more involved!

 

[reilo]

Ok we got Cloving into it, c'mon reilo get more involved!

I quit.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

All of Melo's faces, be it in the clutch or at any other time, are douchebag faces until he shaves that stupid mustache.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I'd like to remind everyone that vahagn is in no way affiliated with neolakes, he's lakersage through and through.

Join us when you're ready ryu.

 

[The Frankman]

I quit.

Awwwwwww... oh well maybe Vahagn will quit also.

anyway Carmelo Anthony is probable with a stomach virus. Knick tweets:

Marc Berman @NYPost_Berman about 6 hours ago
#Knicks getting reinforcements. Woodson says definite chance of Kenyon Martin making debut tonight, Camby Friday.

Al Iannazzone @Al_Iannazzone about 6 hours ago
Woodson said he may change the starting lineup based on Prigioni's status. If Pablo can't play (back spasms) kidd will come off the bench.

THANK YOU MOTHER OF GOD.

 

[Vahagn]

Hahah, I just can't. You're so... hrmm, BA is around. Moving on.

This happens every time we debate something. You run away from your arguments all the time.


Man up. You said earlier that Al Jefferson has been more clutch than Lebron James because of that one statistic. You brought absolutely no other data to the table than that. None.


So, I'm going to ask you again. If Player A shoots a higher FG% in the final 5 minutes of a close game than player B, can he always be considered more clutch than Player B.

 

[h3ro]

All of Melo's faces, be it in the clutch or at any other time, are douchebag faces until he shaves that stupid mustache.

stop hating on his shine.

 

[reilo]

This happens every time we debate something. You run away from your arguments all the time.


Man up. You said earlier that Al Jefferson has been more clutch than Lebron James because of that one statistic. You brought absolutely no other data to the table than that. None.

I never fucking said that goddamn.

I ran away from the argument? lol.

You have damn near virtually EVERY active user in this thread right now proclaim that you are wrong and easily pointing out that you are using strawmen to make your argument -- INCLUDING BLACKACE.

Yet I'm "running" away after clearly and thoroughly stating several times over what I actually called you out on.

But please, child, keep believing that I said Al Jefferson will always be more clutch than Lebron.

So, I'm going to ask you again. If Player A shoots a higher FG% in the final 5 minutes of a close game than player B, can he always be considered more clutch than Player B.

I see you have upgraded to a brand new fallacy.

 

[Psychological Intellect]

This happens every time we debate something. You run away from your arguments all the time.


Man up. You said earlier that Al Jefferson has been more clutch than Lebron James because of that one statistic. You brought absolutely no other data to the table than that. None.


So, I'm going to ask you again. If Player A shoots a higher FG% in the final 5 minutes of a close game than player B, can he always be considered more clutch than Player B.

yo

that isn't what he's arguing

 

[Blackace]

You guys are claiming I'm putting up a straw man in one breath, and then making the same argument in the next.



Is FG% in the final 5 minutes of a close game the "definition of clutch" or not?


If it's not, why are you pretending that conclusions using only that data to define who is and who isn't more clutch is somehow a full proof argument?

6/24 is the definition of clutch

 

[Black Mamba]

Reilo at no point argued Jefferson is more clutch than Lebron. Hell, he didn't make a single argument based around Jefferson at all.

Just stop, dude.

 

[Blackace]

yo

that isn't what he's arguing

That is the same as saying a logger who doesn't cut down as many trees as another is a worse logger

And a drunk

 

[Red Blaster]

vag is now the drunk guy who needs to have the last word

 

[Blackace]

vag is now the drunk guy who needs to have the last word

Are you too fleeing from his superior logic?

 

[Vahagn]

The only silly one here is you. Statistically, if over the same number of games -- 50, 100, 200, 5000 -- Al Jefferson produces better clutch time numbers than Lebron James, then claiming that Al Jefferson has been more clutch than Lebron is a fair assessment over the course of those games.

Kyrie Irving is a young player. He hasn't played the same number of games, so the data is only conclusive to the data available.

In other words, context matters. The context of claiming that Irving is more clutch than Lebron is over a sample of this past year. That is not the same as stating that Kyrie Irving will finish as a more clutch player for the remainder of their careers.

Jesus, why is this so difficult?

I never fucking said that goddamn.

Twice in that paragraph you basically say it's fair to argue that someone is more clutch than another person, or has been more clutch than another person, based on that one statistic. Then you tell me you never made that claim?