Hasphat'sAnts
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lol yeah. Dude's one of the best PGs not named Magic or Isiah.
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2013 NBA Playoffs |OT| Lakers started from the bottom, and they still there
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lol yeah. Dude's one of the best PGs not named Magic or Isiah.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Kidd Stockton GP are the top of that era
And go back a bit more Magic Zeke are up there
And then CP3...
Blackace
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Black Mamba
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But the lakers are better without Kobe! 4 games in a row they are scoring lights out!
Analysis is simple. There's no Kobe and thus the offense sucks so long as Nash ain't healthy.
Sucks watching these games. You see they're playing hard and stuff but there's simple no open gaps in the offense. They have one reliable perimeter player right now and he just got hurt. Kobe's value is so much more than his stats. He puts so much pressure on a defense it opens up the game.
Kobe must be seething knowing he can't go.
Analysis is simple. There's no Kobe and thus the offense sucks so long as Nash ain't healthy.
Sucks watching these games. You see they're playing hard and stuff but there's simple no open gaps in the offense. They have one reliable perimeter player right now and he just got hurt. Kobe's value is so much more than his stats. He puts so much pressure on a defense it opens up the game.
Kobe must be seething knowing he can't go.
Psychological Intellect
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shame that deron fell off for a while and seems to be just now coming back.
Herpes Reasons
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i think some of you haven't watched 90s basketball, or at least wearing goggles.
payton was fantastic in virtually every aspect of the game.
fantastic perimeter defender, ran the fastbreak well, great passer and shooter as well.
given that both players are fundamentally different,
i'd rather build a team where a player does everything really well versus a guy that does a couple of things extremely well.
payton was fantastic in virtually every aspect of the game.
fantastic perimeter defender, ran the fastbreak well, great passer and shooter as well.
given that both players are fundamentally different,
i'd rather build a team where a player does everything really well versus a guy that does a couple of things extremely well.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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And the poor guy can't tweet about it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I know Kidd's prime happened in the toughest defensive era ever, but his scoring in his prime was just not nearly good enough to be comparable to other all-time great PGs I think, even after taking opposing defenses into account.
One of those things is not like the other.
For real, Tim Hardaway deserves a better company.
Hasphat'sAnts
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I can use that system argument against Stockton too. They (as in Kidd/Payton/Nash) peaked in different eras and were the best at their peak.
You can't touch Magic and Isiah, but the level below that, not a huge distinction looking at their body of work.
This. Kids are gonna call us old since they've never watched 90s basketball.
See You Next Wednesday
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Nash hasn't been healthy all year.
Steve Blake has been playing better than Nash by a good margin, pringles souled sit Nash & have Blake run the offense.
Blackace
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Black Mamba
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He has.
Red Blaster
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also nash was never part of anything as embarrassing (barring this year's laker dumpster fire) as denver/sonics in 94. getting packed by robert pack sets you back big time.
Hasphat'sAnts
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So we came up with like 4 or 5 PGs in the history of the NBA who were better than Steve Nash.
What did we accomplish here?
What did we accomplish here?
Hasphat'sAnts
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Yeah cuz Arenas will pull a gun on Hardaway.
LOL Arenas?
Black Mamba
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Prime Payton > Nash but Nash had the better individual career
Nash had the benefit of the removal of hand checking.
Nash had the benefit of the removal of hand checking.
Red Blaster
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lawl gunbert had like 1.5 good seasons
Hasphat'sAnts
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lol Chuck yelling GINOBILI never fails to crack me up.
It all started when dream said Nash is the white Payton, which doesn't make a lick of sense since Nash is the anti-Payton defensively.
He was an Odom rebound away from accepting his fraudulent MVP after being ousted by a 7th seed
Six games.
Really?
That's your argument against gp?
At least I now know that you didn't watch basketball in 1994.
dream
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Fans should be able to tweet whenever they want to.
neolakes wanted this.
MorisUkunRasik
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Lakers-age, i think SA has something for you.
Tubes?
Zeus Molecules
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Says it all.
Herpes Reasons
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this is the guy that guarded michael jordan in the 96 finals and iirc, made jordan work for his baskets and do believe kept him below his season average.
CreepingFear
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No one can troll mj like Charles, except maybe Juanita when she took his money in the divorce.
He did. Including a 5-19 and a 6-19 performance from Jordan. Imagine Nash guarding him during those games....
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Cold blooded.
George Karl only put him on him on game 4.
I'm not one to play what ifs, but you know...
Hasphat'sAnts
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I'm sorry you had to watch the Knicks and Heat pretend to play basketball against MJ.
Penny was better then all those guys in his prime, at one point he was that dude in the NBA, on a different tier then those other guys mentioned.
Red Blaster
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That's not an argument against GP, I like Payton. But everyone seems so keen on calling out Nash's failures aren't remembering that GP himself came up short plenty of times.
Herpes Reasons
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match up wise sure but there was many instances where the glove would guard him.
its not like you guard the same man throughout a game.
and when he did, he did a better job than anybody else.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Which brings me full circle to why Karl is overrated...
Black Mamba
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Not to mention it was a 5 game series. Nash went down 3-1 to lakers in '06. How is it any different?
Hasphat'sAnts
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Dirk got clowned on by the Warriors in 07.
No one currs.
No one currs.
That's not how I remember it, I mean sure, I'll bet there were some switches on picks, but you don't get too many of those in the triangle and the Sonics weren't playing any sort of proto-zone d, so I really don't think Jordan saw much of him in games 1-3 (it was also like a thing in the media).
But it was a while ago, and I was watching it in ungodly hours, so who knows.
He's a players' coach, guys love him and they play hard for him, but he get out coached routinely on the Xs an Os.